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Mschmeh144 11-02-2015 09:55

Talon sr, or SRX?
 
What type of talon are you using this season?
Personally, we are using at least six talon SRX controllers on our bot, I haven't counted them, but this may be a problem because we don't have enough spares. So, which talon would be more reliable to use, the SR or the SRX?

Also, is it possible to mix the two of them for use at the same time, not during competition, but on our test rig? Currently we have a testebed aptly named "ghettobot" which has four talon SR controllers but also has the option to use the two spare SRX controllers we have. Currently we just swap them using a few connectors when we need to work with the SRX, but would it be possible to avoid this and just leave them connected but disabled, as they are hidden under a platform attached to the robot and are hard to get to.
Thanks, any help would be appreciated

Alan Anderson 11-02-2015 10:03

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
There's no problem in having a speed controller present and powered but with no motor connected.

Do not, under any circumstances, connect the outputs of two speed controllers together.

FrankJ 11-02-2015 10:03

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
The SRs have proved to be very reliable so it is a tall bar for the SRXs to beat. The SRXs have more electronics in them, if you are not using canbus the Victor SPs might be a better choice. In either case neither have been out long enough to have fully established a reliability record comparable to the SRs.

While it is best not to mix controllers in a subsystem, I would hesitate to do it at a completion if that is was the only option.

MrForbes 11-02-2015 10:12

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
We're late adopters. Six of the SR on our robot.

E Dawg 11-02-2015 10:33

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
We're using five SRX's. The SR's were pretty good, but the SRX's blow them out of the water.

FrankJ 11-02-2015 10:36

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by E Dawg (Post 1441745)
We're using five SRX's. The SR's were pretty good, but the SRX's blow them out of the water.

How so? Assume you are using PWM & no limit switches so you are comparing apples to apples.

Now if you are comparing Talon SRXs to Jag...

Mschmeh144 11-02-2015 13:09

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
the talon srx has a closed casing, but so does the sr. the thing I don't like about the talon srx is the wires that come pre-attached. if you cut them or strip them you cannot make a mistake, or you've got yourself a useless talon. even the CAN wires come preattached, in the model that has them at least, im not sure if there is a PWM model.

also, its perfectly okay to have them plugged into the pdp and running on robot startup, but not connected to the motors?

GeeTwo 11-02-2015 13:11

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrForbes (Post 1441739)
We're late adopters. Six of the SR on our robot.

Same here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1441735)
There's no problem in having a speed controller present and powered but with no motor connected.

Good thing. We only have five motors (3 H-drive, 2 on lift). The sixth has leads with Anderson connectors on the end. We started laying out the board before we knew what we needed, and while we took the PCB off, we left the unused talons and spikes as spares. (We're using the spikes for lighting).

GeeTwo 11-02-2015 13:13

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mschmeh144 (Post 1441850)
also, its perfectly okay to have them plugged into the pdp and running on robot startup, but not connected to the motors?

Sure. It's a custom circuit consisting of a very high-value resistor.;)

Pretzel 11-02-2015 13:15

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
We made a large investment in 24 Talon SRX's, as our design requires twelve and we're building a practice bot on top of the competition ones. So far, we've been VERY happy with them compared to the Jags we used previously.

Dunngeon 11-02-2015 14:04

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mschmeh144 (Post 1441850)
the talon srx has a closed casing, but so does the sr. the thing I don't like about the talon srx is the wires that come pre-attached. if you cut them or strip them you cannot make a mistake, or you've got yourself a useless talon. even the CAN wires come preattached, in the model that has them at least, im not sure if there is a PWM model.

also, its perfectly okay to have them plugged into the pdp and running on robot startup, but not connected to the motors?

There's quite a bit of wire on the SRX controller, it would take a large quantity of screw-ups to shorten the wire to the point where the SRX becomes unusable. If anything, the integrated wires are a plus because the electronics are physically isolated from the outside environment.

Mschmeh144 11-02-2015 14:16

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunngeon (Post 1441898)
There's quite a bit of wire on the SRX controller, it would take a large quantity of screw-ups to shorten the wire to the point where the SRX becomes unusable. If anything, the integrated wires are a plus because the electronics are physically isolated from the outside environment.

This is true. But, accidents do happen. Especially with our testebed, which unexperienced members use like a toy.

JesseK 11-02-2015 14:21

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
For critical components, we're also late adopters. 8 SR's on our bot (1 spare).

Mschmeh144 11-02-2015 14:25

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretzel (Post 1441860)
We made a large investment in 24 Talon SRX's, as our design requires twelve and we're building a practice bot on top of the competition ones. So far, we've been VERY happy with them compared to the Jags we used previously.

We found it easy to just buy a ton of them too, but we didn't buy enough to have a spare for every one that we actually use. I am impressed with their closed casing, and the way they are generally built allows them to be packed tightly into small spaces. Otherwise, we would be using talon SR controllers instead. They are definitley a improvement over the Jags, but only time will tell how much of a improvement.

E Dawg 11-02-2015 14:33

Re: Talon sr, or SRX?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1441748)
How so? Assume you are using PWM & no limit switches so you are comparing apples to apples.

Now if you are comparing Talon SRXs to Jag...

Talon SRX's use CAN, so we can get real-time data on the WebDashboard; they have passive heatsinking; they are microcontrollers, so the PID loop that controls them is offloaded; and it's almost impossible to get metal shavings in them.

Also CAN wiring is a lot better than PWM wiring.


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