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Boltman 06-03-2015 22:05

Re: Understaffed scouting
 
The way I see co-op, is most bots I see are NOT capable in the first place to do co-op at all ....so for a bot like us that is capable/versatile I feel strategically we need to get co-op out of the way early and then contribute with stacks RC's and noodles (take one for both alliances) ..that 40 is huge and omitting it is not going to raise your QA so in a way its sort of dammed if you do or don't...depending on how scouts view co-op. That part of co-op is quick and ROI is there.

I think its still good for a capable (similar to us) bot to go after co-op and if they are not alliance captain and alliances miss them then that's their (unpicking alliance captains) fault...and they missed a great partner that could be the contributing difference that wins in elims. They can shift gears in elims to HP stacker or superb RC+N topper.

We hope to be alliance captain so we don't fall into that "faulty" co-op trap in scouting. I as a scout understand the value of co-op. Its basically the same action as other scoring maneuvers. Unless you are strictly an HP tote stacker.

I know what our bot can do and it would be a shame to scout a bot out over co-op in the versatility aspect...unless that's all they do which is unlikely.

GeeTwo 06-03-2015 22:56

Re: Understaffed scouting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rich2202 (Post 1454536)
The purpose of scouting is to be able to pick an alliance for Eliminations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes (Post 1454554)
..there is more that can be done with scouting information..

For example, planning strategy during the later rounds of seeding matches, and finding the opposing alliance's weaknesses so you can exploit them. (More difficult this year than most, but there are a few ways to do this.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bduddy (Post 1454539)
A team that spends a lot of time on coopertition likely:

1) Understands the game better
2) Scored fewer points in other areas

And also spent some time doing coopertition that can now be spent making stacks on the scoring platforms instead of the step. While not every robot that can stack on the platforms can stack on the step, it would be a peculiar design that could stack a yellow tote on the step but not a grey one on a platform.

rich2202 07-03-2015 01:28

Re: Understaffed scouting
 
I see a strong alliance as one that has two stackers, and one utility bot that can place RC's.

Just because a team can place 2 or 3 totes on the step does not mean it can:
1) Stack quickly; or
2) Place an RC on top of 4 to 6 totes.

If a bot spends the entire match placing 2 or 3 totes on the step for coopertition points, I would not consider that robot good for either stacking or utility.

Now, if that same bot placed the yellow totes in 30 seconds, and started making other stacks or capping, then it would get noticed for that.

Siri 07-03-2015 20:34

Re: Understaffed scouting
 
The purpose of scouting, as with all competitive efforts, is to win the competition. Good scouting helps win qual matches, not just elim ones (via alliance selection and beyond).

I've seen a lot of teams in Week 1 and 2 blow repeatedly co-op (and often therefore their ranking) just by setting the wrong coopertition strategy. Accurate analysis of previous efforts would've been more than enough to correct the poor plan. You have to accept trade-offs when you're understaffed, but carefully consider the consequences of each one that you make.

Citrus Dad 09-03-2015 16:29

Re: Understaffed scouting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boltman (Post 1454612)
The way I see co-op, is most bots I see are NOT capable in the first place to do co-op at all ....so for a bot like us that is capable/versatile I feel strategically we need to get co-op out of the way early and then contribute with stacks RC's and noodles (take one for both alliances) ..that 40 is huge and omitting it is not going to raise your QA so in a way its sort of dammed if you do or don't...depending on how scouts view co-op. That part of co-op is quick and ROI is there.

I think its still good for a capable (similar to us) bot to go after co-op and if they are not alliance captain and alliances miss them then that's their (unpicking alliance captains) fault...and they missed a great partner that could be the contributing difference that wins in elims. They can shift gears in elims to HP stacker or superb RC+N topper.

We hope to be alliance captain so we don't fall into that "faulty" co-op trap in scouting. I as a scout understand the value of co-op. Its basically the same action as other scoring maneuvers. Unless you are strictly an HP tote stacker.

I know what our bot can do and it would be a shame to scout a bot out over co-op in the versatility aspect...unless that's all they do which is unlikely.

Coop stacking can be a valuable trait, however don't make the mistake of valuing it as 20 or 30 points. It's only worth 2 points per tote, maybe a bit more if you can complete the top of the coop stack.


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