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GeeTwo 17-02-2015 15:42

Re: Noodle Agreement for Coopertition
 
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Originally Posted by Rangel(kf7fdb) (Post 1445818)
It does help to pull the opposing alliance down. Yes you may not be competing directly against them match wise but ranking wise you are. If you were to play 10 matches for example, an accurate human player can make a match difficult for potentially 30 teams and bring their ranking down. Especially if you were playing against a team your fighting for ranking position against and knew they could do coopertition noodles or not, it is advantageous to throw them very early on.

Unless you're essentially perfect, it still doesn't help in the long run. For argument's sake, I'll assume that the impact of litter lying around is linear - two noodles, twice the impact.

At our regional, 57 teams will compete; I believe this is fairly typical. Each piece of litter pulls down three teams, so the net effect on the average is 1/19 of the effect on that one alliance. On the other hand, every noodle you drop in your own work area affects you (and your alliance partners) completely - 19 times as much. Unless you've got a better than 19:1 chance of the litter winding up in their work area as yours, you're doing your team and alliance a net disservice.

rich2202 17-02-2015 15:57

Re: Noodle Agreement for Coopertition
 
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Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1445852)
so the net effect on the average is 1/19 of the effect on that one alliance.

Multiply that by the effect of other alliances doing it during matches when you are not on the field and ...

What you stated is a variation of the Prisoner's Dilemma.

GeeTwo 17-02-2015 16:15

Re: Noodle Agreement for Coopertition
 
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Originally Posted by rich2202 (Post 1445866)
What you stated is a variation of the Prisoner's Dilemma.

No, the original noodle agreement was a response to a Prisoner's Dilemma, and required cooperation between "competing" alliances to be of benefit. This is simply weighing the damage you're doing to yourself to what you're doing to the average team in your division. Throwing noodles early is a lose-lose.

rich2202 17-02-2015 16:40

Re: Noodle Agreement for Coopertition
 
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Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1445890)
No, the original noodle agreement was a response to a Prisoner's Dilemma, and required cooperation between "competing" alliances to be of benefit. This is simply weighing the damage you're doing to yourself to what you're doing to the average team in your division. Throwing noodles early is a lose-lose.

The crux of the Prisoner's Dilemma is: If everyone cooperates (throws litter) then everyone is in an equally bad situation. If one person does not cooperate, that person is better off than everyone else (don't accidentally rain on your own parade). If no one cooperates (no one throws), then everyone is back to an equal position.

In the true Prisoner's Dilemma, the penalty and rewards are much more skewed. The underlying principle is the same: It is to your benefit to be different.


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