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XaulZan11 23-04-2015 11:06

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mwmac (Post 1475136)
Tongue in cheek aside, this is not an acceptable experience for current and prospective sponsors, educational vip's or state legislators when a team is trying to secure additional support for their activities (not to mention team members and their families unable to travel to Champs). Really looking forward to 2017 when we double the Champs and stretch the volunteer base....

I completely agree. My point was that while we should provide feedback about the poor webcasts (and lack of match results), FIRST has already acknowledged it as something that can be improved and yet here we are.

timytamy 23-04-2015 11:07

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1475131)
But on the bright side, this won't be an issue once FIRST decides to invite every single team to the championship ;)

I know it's a joke, but this is still a big issue for international teams. I'm up at 0100 (local time) watching poor quality, audio-less streams that make it hard to understand whats going on. Inspiring more teams is a big part of FIRST, making championships double/split may or may not be a big part of that plan. But these streams are struggling to even remind me of the amazing atmosphere and experience championships is.

Eugene Fang 23-04-2015 11:08

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1475131)
Didn't Frank say at the end of last year that they were putting a group together at FIRST to look at improving the webcasts?

If FIRST thought that two Championships would improve Champs, it logically follows that they thought having three camera views per field would improve webcasts.

PayneTrain 23-04-2015 11:13

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene Fang (Post 1475139)
If FIRST thought that two Championships would improve Champs, it logically follows that they thought having three camera views per field would improve webcasts.

Number of angles can help, but the execution on literally almost every other variable into the process of putting together a good webcast is ignored.

dcarr 23-04-2015 11:27

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1475140)
Number of angles can help, but the execution on literally almost every other variable into the process of putting together a good webcast is ignored.

Number of angles is only good when you have one decent full field view on screen at all times, which they're not doing. Not to mention, the only full-field view is from directly overhead, which, coupled with the junk resolution, makes it difficult to even see team numbers.

PayneTrain 23-04-2015 11:30

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1475145)
Number of angles is only good when you have one decent full field view on screen at all times, which they're not doing. Not to mention, the only full-field view is from directly overhead, which, coupled with the junk resolution, makes it difficult to even see team numbers.

Those are a small sample of variables that aren't accounted for. The most incredible one is the top down view on robots that have no numbers on the top of them.

Ed Law 23-04-2015 11:34

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I am watching Carver through the link from TBA. 3 views, audio and decent resolution. I can see the team numbers clearly.

Eugene Fang 23-04-2015 11:35

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1475146)
Those are a small sample of variables that aren't accounted for. The most incredible one is the top down view on robots that have no numbers on the top of them.

Top down also makes it incredibly hard to see how tall stacks are.

Katie_UPS 23-04-2015 13:42

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
I like the split view, because red&blue are operating almost completely independently of eachother and so only seeing one side at a time is silly. I think the third camera (top down) is mostly useless and should just be an occasional feed switch to full screen.

RocketDean 23-04-2015 13:50

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2015 FRC Championship Stream Is Up!
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http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/robotics...ndex-live.html

Bmarshall645 23-04-2015 14:10

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Tesla audio works now. Seems as they fixed the streams during the break.

jvriezen 23-04-2015 14:50

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Hopper seems stuck on match 14. What's up with that ?

Jscout11 23-04-2015 14:54

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1475193)
Hopper seems stuck on match 14. What's up with that ?

It's a replay of Match 14. The replay also had to be replayed.

Edit: Oh, it appears the one on Blue Alliance is just looping. The one on the NASA site seems to work fine

plnyyanks 23-04-2015 15:15

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jscout11 (Post 1475195)
It's a replay of Match 14. The replay also had to be replayed.

Edit: Oh, it appears the one on Blue Alliance is just looping. The one on the NASA site seems to work fine

Shoot. On it...

EDIT: Hopper was still on lunch break, so the stream was offline. GameDay seems fine for me now

ScottM 23-04-2015 15:30

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Why does the Galileo feed have a background picture and the others don't?

bobl 23-04-2015 15:35

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
This is one of the most frustrating things I have ever seen. I can get the feed for Tesla to work for a match or two and then it freezes. When I try to restart the NASA site flashes a 404 error quickly and then shows "Playlist could not be loaded: Error #1090. The Blue Alliance and At The Control shows a message about crossdomains and then just shows the looping arrow. And to top it off, The results haven't updated since match 23.

If there is a streaming site that works reliably, please let me know.

Thanks.

John Retkowski 23-04-2015 15:43

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Teams seem to be doing pretty well though. The top opr on Carson is hovering around 2668.59

wait a minute...

MrRoboSteve 23-04-2015 15:56

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
On TBA, is there a way to hide the black bar with the upcoming matches that appears at the bottom of the video window? For me, it never keeps up with the matches, and more importanlyt hides the bottom of the broadcast when I'm in 4 up layout on a 1080p display.

kristinweiss 23-04-2015 18:25

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Does anyone know what stream the opening ceremony/deans list ceremony will be streamed on tonight?

Bmarshall645 23-04-2015 18:27

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
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Originally Posted by NorthernTaco (Post 1475221)
Does anyone know what stream the opening ceremony/deans list ceremony will be steamed on tonight?

Was wondering the same thing.

Hallry 23-04-2015 18:32

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthernTaco (Post 1475221)
Does anyone know what stream the opening ceremony/deans list ceremony will be steamed on tonight?

I'm assuming that it'll be shown on all the sub-division feeds, but that's just an assumption.

Bmarshall645 23-04-2015 19:02

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They got it up on a couple streams but they seem to be frozen sadly.

popnbrown 23-04-2015 19:12

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Anyone find any stream for opening ceremonies?

Hallry 23-04-2015 19:14

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It looks like Archimedes and Tesla will be streaming Opening Cermonies, which makes sense because they are the two fields that will become Einstein Saturday night. However, Opening Cermonies have not started yet. Newton's feed is also still going, but seems to be out of sync with Archimedes's and Tesla's.

EDIT: Looks like Opening Cermonies are getting started on all of the streams.

kristinweiss 23-04-2015 19:14

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
I'm hearing music on the Newton stream but apparently they haven't started yet

popnbrown 23-04-2015 19:17

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Newton's working for me.

MrRoboSteve 23-04-2015 19:18

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Yep, Newton is up.

Bmarshall645 23-04-2015 19:19

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They set it up on Einstein.
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/robotics...ein-flash.html

guniv 23-04-2015 19:45

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Has anyone else noticed that they're using the victory themes from Super Smash Bros. to introduce speakers to the stage? Specifically I've heard them use the themes for Fox, Falco, ROB, and now Mario. I guess ROB would be relevant considering this year's game.

timytamy 25-04-2015 09:18

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Now on the Tesla stream, I'm getting the Tesla alliance selection - with Archimedes audio!!!

Really disappointing...

1975Flyers 25-04-2015 09:22

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What a sad weekend for Blue Alliance.

PayneTrain 25-04-2015 09:32

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1975Flyers (Post 1475617)
What a sad weekend for Blue Alliance.

You know TBA is not the provider, they're just a middleman with a nice interface?

FIRST/NASA are providing the webcasts.

WillRobinson 25-04-2015 09:36

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1475623)
FIRST/NASA are providing the webcasts.

or at least attempting to...:ahh:

Hallry 25-04-2015 09:38

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1475623)
You know TBA is not the provider, they're just a middleman with a nice interface?

FIRST/NASA are providing the webcasts.

Quoted for truth. Everyone blames The Blue Alliance when something goes wrong with the feeds. All they actually do is just take the streams directly from their sources, allowing viewers at home to watch multiple webcasts easily in the same place.

Do two divisions have their audios crossed? That's not TBA. Is are the rankings/results not showing because FIRST isn't publishing them? That's not TBA. Is the quality of the webcast pretty bad? That's not TBA.

plnyyanks 25-04-2015 09:58

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1975Flyers (Post 1475617)
What a sad weekend for Blue Alliance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1475623)
You know TBA is not the provider, they're just a middleman with a nice interface?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1475633)
Quoted for truth. Everyone blames The Blue Alliance when something goes wrong with the feeds. All they actually do is just take the streams directly from their sources, allowing viewers at home to watch multiple webcasts easily in the same place

...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Soukup (Post 1475490)
We're frustrated because we, the 3rd party providers who rely on a working FRC data feed, get slammed with emails & complaints asking why our product is broken, when in fact it's doing a wonderful job of serving up stale data.


PayneTrain 25-04-2015 10:12

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1475633)
Quoted for truth. Everyone blames The Blue Alliance when something goes wrong with the feeds. All they actually do is just take the streams directly from their sources, allowing viewers at home to watch multiple webcasts easily in the same place.

Do two divisions have their audios crossed? That's not TBA. Is are the rankings/results not showing because FIRST isn't publishing them? That's not TBA. Is the quality of the webcast pretty bad? That's not TBA.

Can we take some time to give it up for Phil, Eugene, everyone else who posts to GitHub for changes, etc, for making the Blue Alliance such an incredible and all-encompassing resource for FRC? I remember what it was like 8 years ago and the strides the community has made for the product do not get enough recognition for how incredible it is. They even rolled out myTBA like it was no big deal. It's awesome!

Ichlieberoboter 25-04-2015 10:23

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1475652)
Can we take some time to give it up for Phil, Eugene, everyone else who posts to GitHub for changes, etc, for making the Blue Alliance such an incredible and all-encompassing resource for FRC? I remember what it was like 8 years ago and the strides the community has made for the product do not get enough recognition for how incredible it is. They even rolled out myTBA like it was no big deal. It's awesome!

*clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* yay!!!

timytamy 25-04-2015 10:28

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1475652)
Can we take some time to give it up for Phil, Eugene, everyone else who posts to GitHub for changes, etc, for making the Blue Alliance such an incredible and all-encompassing resource for FRC? I remember what it was like 8 years ago and the strides the community has made for the product do not get enough recognition for how incredible it is. They even rolled out myTBA like it was no big deal. It's awesome!

Oh yes, TBA is a god-send for me when I can't attend competitions. Having 8 streams open in one windows is just plain awesome. And being able to get to schedules and results easily helps when the stream messes up or I'm asleep/at work. It's a shame that FIRST/NASA is the weak link that pull TBA down.

Andrew Lawrence 25-04-2015 10:39

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Anyone else have Carver suddenly switch to Curie?

Robby Unruh 25-04-2015 14:18

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Are there any mobile-friendly streams for champs?

Ben Wolsieffer 25-04-2015 14:18

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robby Unruh (Post 1475724)
Are there any mobile-friendly streams for champs?

GameDay on the Blue Alliance app is pretty good.

Robby Unruh 25-04-2015 15:01

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lopsided98 (Post 1475729)
GameDay on the Blue Alliance app is pretty good.

Thanks, didn't realize there was an update for the app that added GameDay.

Keep on keeping on TBA, you're great.

mj371 27-04-2015 11:02

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Anywhere I can find archives of the divisions?

Hallry 27-04-2015 11:18

Re: Webcasts 2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mj371 (Post 1476908)
Anywhere I can find archives of the divisions?

Team 1676 recorded full-field video of all the qualification and elimination matches in the Hopper Sub-Division. Some of the footage is still uploading, but it will all be put in this playlist once it's done: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...38hz9Y6nolxGWX

We also recorded footage of Einstein as well, with those videos being listed in this playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...XT1FdD1DsUR-FH


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