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Cory 28-02-2015 21:50
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DohertyBilly (Post 1451288)
G7 When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH, each ROBOT must be:
A. in compliance with all ROBOT rules, i.e. it has passed Inspection. For exceptions regarding Practice MATCHES, see Section 5.2 – Practice MATCHES.
B. fully supported by the floor, SCORING PLATFORM, and/or SCORING PLATFORM ramps on their ALLIANCE’S side of the
FIELD, and
C. completely outside of their AUTO ZONE and LANDFILL ZONE.
VIOLATION: If fix is a quick remedy, the MATCH won’t start until all requirements are met. If it is not a quick remedy the offending
ROBOT will be DISABLED and at the discretion of the Head REFEREE must be re-Inspected.

Nowhere in the pre-match rules does it state anything about being above the height limit, that is assumed to be part of G7-A, and is the responsibility of the inspectors. If 987 passed inspection with that add on, then there is no reason for them to be disabled, and if they didn't pass inspection there is no reason they would have gone through with that auto...what just happened?
It's plausible that they passed inspection but something got bent or moved from it's normal configuration, resulting in being out of spec.

It's not worth speculating until someone from 987 can explain what happened.

Very unfortunate that so many eliminations matches featured no shows or disabled robots due to teams supposedly taking too long to setup, or not being on the field in time.

I've seen lots of robots show up slightly late to the field and the field staff generally does everything they can to let them play. We have heard a little bit from people at the event and it sounds like the referees are doing everything they can to keep teams from playing, which is a shame for all involved.

DohertyBilly 28-02-2015 21:50
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1451293)
Doesnt the robot rules state a max height?
The transport configuration is checked during inspection, and that has the same max height. 987 wouldn't overlook the limit if they added the grabbers on on the field.

EDIT: I agree with Cory. No way to know until someone in the know says something. But I'm still disappointed that we have such a controversial decision in week one...

dodar 28-02-2015 21:51
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DohertyBilly (Post 1451302)
The transport configuration is checked during inspection, and that has the same max height. 987 wouldn't overlook that if they added that on on the field.
No, but isnt their a max height limit for a match as well?

Boltman 28-02-2015 21:53
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1451303)
No, but isnt their a max height limit for a match as well?
78" is max height everywhere

MariOlsen 28-02-2015 21:53
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1451294)
For those who watched Dallas, did 2613 ever get the RC bins from the step in auto? If not, that is a brilliant move by that alliance to get 987 to forgo those 28 auto points (and eventually be deemed illegal).
2613 was disabled for breaking the plane of the landfill zone. So both of the teams going for a can grab were disabled.

PayneTrain 28-02-2015 21:53
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Week 1 Checklist

☑Incompetent Teams
☑Referees that don't know the rules
☑Seemingly intentionally vague rules and relative Q&A predictably turning out poorly for everyone
☑Events almost half a day behind schedule
☑Consistent rulings within events are wishful thinking, consistent rulings between events a forlorn hope
☑Obvious consequences related to schedule issue predictably turning out poorly
☑Controversial and likely embarrassing and borderline irresponsible rulings in eliminations

2015 bonuses:
☑Judges not aware of lack of feedback or mentor allowance changes regarding chairman's award
☑Key event volunteers unable to explain new scoring and slim format to audience

Thanks for showing up to Week 1, brothers and sisters. See you at Week 1 next year (when hell freezes over/stop build day ends, whichever comes first)

Boltman 28-02-2015 21:54
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1451294)
For those who watched Dallas, did 2613 ever get the RC bins from the step in auto? If not, that is a brilliant move by that alliance to get 987 to forgo those 28 auto points (and eventually be deemed illegal).
No

AlexanderTheOK 28-02-2015 21:57
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
I can understand how this happens legally. If 987 made modifications, didn't get reinspected, and tried to play that way, they would be rightfully disabled under the rules.

I can't however for the life of me imagine that 987 would have simply not gotten inspected before their last match.

Boltman 28-02-2015 21:58
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexanderTheOK (Post 1451312)
I can understand how this happens legally. If 987 made modifications, didn't get reinspected, and tried to play that way, they would be rightfully disabled under the rules.

I can't however for the life of me imagine that 987 would have simply not gotten inspected before their last match.
They removed attachment (was useless) and still got called. They did not reinspect.

MrTechCenter 28-02-2015 21:59
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
I think it's kind of ridiculous that breaking the plane of the landfill zone is an automatic disable without giving the team a chance to fix it. How hard is it to let the team on the field for 10 seconds to move their robot back a couple of inches?

DohertyBilly 28-02-2015 22:01
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1451314)
I think it's kind of ridiculous that breaking the plane of the landfill zone is an automatic disable without giving the team a chance to fix it. How hard is it to let the team on the field for 10 seconds to move their robot back a couple of inches?
G7 When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH, each ROBOT must be:

C. completely outside of their AUTO ZONE and LANDFILL ZONE

VIOLATION: If fix is a quick remedy, the MATCH won’t start until all requirements are met...

It shouldn't be very hard at all, given that that's what the rules say to do...

Boltman 28-02-2015 22:01
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1451314)
I think it's kind of ridiculous that breaking the plane of the landfill zone is an automatic disable without giving the team a chance to fix it. How hard is it to let the team on the field for 10 seconds to move their robot back a couple of inches?
Personally I think its ridiculous teams can pre-hook RC's so see this as good rule not to break the plane.

Chad987 28-02-2015 22:04
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexanderTheOK (Post 1451312)
I can understand how this happens legally. If 987 made modifications, didn't get reinspected, and tried to play that way, they would be rightfully disabled under the rules.

I can't however for the life of me imagine that 987 would have simply not gotten inspected before their last match.
Our robot hasn't been modified at all since we were inspected on thursday and measured in the state that got us disabled in final match 3.

DanielPlotas 28-02-2015 22:05
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1451314)
I think it's kind of ridiculous that breaking the plane of the landfill zone is an automatic disable without giving the team a chance to fix it. How hard is it to let the team on the field for 10 seconds to move their robot back a couple of inches?
I can somewhat understand disabling in a qualification match to keep things going, but in a playoff match, especially the final match, the referees should be trying to get as many robots able to play as possible.

TDav540 28-02-2015 22:09
Re: 2 v 3 in Dallas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DohertyBilly (Post 1451315)
G7 When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH, each ROBOT must be:

C. completely outside of their AUTO ZONE and LANDFILL ZONE

VIOLATION: If fix is a quick remedy, the MATCH won’t start until all requirements are met...

It shouldn't be very hard at all, given that that's what the rules say to do...
VIOLATION: If fix is a quick remedy, the MATCH won’t start until all requirements are met. If it is not a quick remedy the offending
ROBOT will be DISABLED and at the discretion of the Head REFEREE must be re-Inspected.

"Quick" is relative, so it's possible the refs told them their arms were too tall, and then 987 couldn't remove them fast enough.


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