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KosmicKhaos 02-03-2015 22:51

Was the right call made at Dallas Finals match 3?
 
I know there is a similar thread! I did this one to add a poll to it to see what the community thinks and state why it was a bad call so people don't have to dig through the other thread!

So as many of you saw 2 robots were disabled during finals match 3 at Dallas (can't remember the exact numbers) and there was much controversy over it. In my opinion the match was completely botched and was determined by the head ref. Let me explain.

1.) The robot that was disabled for starting in the landfill by mistake should not have been disabled. Why? well rule G7-C States
Quote:

G7 When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH, each ROBOT must be:
A. in compliance with all ROBOT rules, i.e. it has passed Inspection. For exceptions regarding Practice MATCHES, see
Section 5.2 – Practice MATCHES.
B. fully supported by the floor, SCORING PLATFORM, and/or SCORING PLATFORM ramps on their ALLIANCE’S side of the
FIELD, and
C. completely outside of their AUTO ZONE and LANDFILL ZONE.
VIOLATION: If fix is a quick remedy, the MATCH won’t start until all requirements are met. If it is not a quick remedy the offending
ROBOT will be DISABLED and at the discretion of the Head REFEREE must be re-Inspected.
Right there part C. The rule states that the robot can't start in the landfill. No one is arguing this but read the violation section. I would consider moving the robot a few inches a quick fix.

2.)This one that was too tall may have had more of a correct call. Considering it was an entire mechanism that was too tall it may have taken longer than a "quick fix" to fit the rules. What beats me is that under rule T-10 you are required to get a re inspection after major changes. Now i don't know if they were never given a chance to get reinspected or they neglected to do so, but if they did get there re inspect this would have been prevented. Either way, the drive team should have been allowed back on the field to see if they could quickly remove the mechanism.

What bothers me most, is that i heard that a team member of one of the disabled robots said they never knew they were going to be disabled until the match started and there auto never ran.

What do other people think of this call?

EDIT: A blog post was posted about this topic on the frc blog which can be found here http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...al-Final-Match

Andrew Lawrence 02-03-2015 22:54

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BobbyVanNess 02-03-2015 22:55

Re: Was the right call made at Dallas Finals match 3?
 
This has been discussed at length right here.

mwmac 02-03-2015 22:59

Re: Was the right call made at Dallas Finals match 3?
 
Oh my....

SteveGPage 02-03-2015 23:07

Re: Was the right call made at Dallas Finals match 3?
 
Since this has been rehashed to death on the other thread, if it isn't closed or merged, I thought I would add something new to the topic ...

Alton Brown's Corn Dog Recipe

Ingredients
1 gallon peanut oil
1 cup yellow cornmeal
1 cup all-purpose flour
2 teaspoons kosher salt
1 teaspoon baking powder
1/4 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 teaspoon cayenne pepper
2 tablespoons (approximately 1 large) jalapeno pepper, seeded and finely minced
1 (8.5-ounce) can cream-style corn
1/3 cup finely grated onion
1 1/2 cups buttermilk
4 tablespoons cornstarch, for dredging
8 beef hot dogs

Directions
Special equipment: 8 sets chopsticks, not separated

Pour oil into a deep fryer or large heavy pot and heat to 375 degrees F. In a medium mixing bowl, combine the cornmeal, flour, salt, baking powder, baking soda, and cayenne pepper. In a separate bowl, combine the jalapeno, corn, onion, and buttermilk. Add the dry ingredients to the wet ingredients all at once, and stir only enough times to bring the batter together; there should be lumps. Set batter aside and allow to rest for 10 minutes.

Scatter the cornstarch into a dry pie pan. Roll each hot dog in the cornstarch and tap well to remove any excess.

Transfer enough batter to almost fill a large drinking glass. Refill the glass as needed. Place each hot dog on chopsticks, and quickly dip in and out of the batter. Immediately and carefully place each hot dog into the oil, and cook until coating is golden brown, about 4 to 5 minutes. With tongs, remove to cooling rack, and allow to drain for 3 to 5 minutes.

Read more at: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/a...ml?oc=linkback

samfruth 02-03-2015 23:09

Re: Was the right call made at Dallas Finals match 3?
 
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Bob Steele 02-03-2015 23:29

Re: Was the right call made at Dallas Finals match 3?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveGPage (Post 1452557)
Since this has been rehashed to death on the other thread, if it isn't closed or merged, I thought I would add something new to the topic ...

Alton Brown's Corn Dog Recipe

Ingredients
1 gallon peanut oil
1 cup yellow cornmeal
1 cup all-purpose flour
2 teaspoons kosher salt
1 teaspoon baking powder
1/4 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 teaspoon cayenne pepper
2 tablespoons (approximately 1 large) jalapeno pepper, seeded and finely minced
1 (8.5-ounce) can cream-style corn
1/3 cup finely grated onion
1 1/2 cups buttermilk
4 tablespoons cornstarch, for dredging
8 beef hot dogs

Directions
Special equipment: 8 sets chopsticks, not separated

Pour oil into a deep fryer or large heavy pot and heat to 375 degrees F. In a medium mixing bowl, combine the cornmeal, flour, salt, baking powder, baking soda, and cayenne pepper. In a separate bowl, combine the jalapeno, corn, onion, and buttermilk. Add the dry ingredients to the wet ingredients all at once, and stir only enough times to bring the batter together; there should be lumps. Set batter aside and allow to rest for 10 minutes.

Scatter the cornstarch into a dry pie pan. Roll each hot dog in the cornstarch and tap well to remove any excess.

Transfer enough batter to almost fill a large drinking glass. Refill the glass as needed. Place each hot dog on chopsticks, and quickly dip in and out of the batter. Immediately and carefully place each hot dog into the oil, and cook until coating is golden brown, about 4 to 5 minutes. With tongs, remove to cooling rack, and allow to drain for 3 to 5 minutes.

Read more at: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/a...ml?oc=linkback

Finally some definitive information that is really useful!!!

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faust1706 02-03-2015 23:32

Re: Was the right call made at Dallas Finals match 3?
 
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Boltman 02-03-2015 23:34

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