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Gregor 04-03-2015 22:57

Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Is it normal for match schedules to be posted before the practice day of a competition? I've never seen that before.

http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/ONTO2/qualifications

Jacob Bendicksen 04-03-2015 23:02

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quals 26 should be fun - 1241, 1285, and 1310 on the same alliance.

bkahl 04-03-2015 23:04

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Bendicksen (Post 1453778)
Quals 26 should be fun - 1241, 1285, and 1310 on the same alliance.

If anyone can move.....

PayneTrain 04-03-2015 23:13

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Bendicksen (Post 1453778)
Quals 26 should be fun - 1241, 1285, and 1310 on the same alliance.

I feel sorry for the other alliance. A win is nearly impossible.

Doug Frisk 04-03-2015 23:14

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1453775)
Is it normal for match schedules to be posted before the practice day of a competition? I've never seen that before.

http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/ONTO2/qualifications

Either all teams checked in with pit admin this evening or they're testing matchmaker for some reason.

The general rule is you don't build and activate the qualification schedule until you know that all of the teams have shown up. For me, that usually means a stroll over to pit admin about 10:00 on Thursday at which point they're still typically waiting on 2 to 3 teams.

It's very rare for teams to not show up, but it does happen. I wouldn't depend on that schedule being accurate until you see the paper copies at pit admin.

orangemoore 04-03-2015 23:17

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1453786)
I feel sorry for the other alliance. A win is nearly impossible.

In qualifications win are not nearly impossible because they are Impossible.

Doug Frisk 04-03-2015 23:18

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1453786)
I feel sorry for the other alliance. A win is nearly impossible.

Since it's not head to head, a "win" is irrelevant, the other side of the field only needs to improve on their own averages.

Jon Stratis 04-03-2015 23:21

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
One of the interesting things we discovered during week 1... It's very difficult to get the match schedules generated while trying to run matches. The FTA's will either need to generate before practice matches begin, or wait until after they're over, which is pretty late in the evening.

But the FTA definitely DOES need to know that everyone has shown up and is going to play before generating the schedule. That way we can be assured that 3 teams are present for every alliance in every match (not 3 robots, as robots occasionally break and can't make it, but still, 3 teams).

PayneTrain 04-03-2015 23:31

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1453790)
In qualifications win are not nearly impossible because they are Impossible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1453793)
Since it's not head to head, a "win" is irrelevant, the other side of the field only needs to improve on their own averages.

I really should start outlining my sarcasm with more obvious notation.

Kevin Leonard 04-03-2015 23:39

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1453804)
I really should start outlining my sarcasm with more obvious notation.

For the record, whenever I see you post anything, I assume its sarcastic until proven legit.

Doug Frisk 04-03-2015 23:47

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1453795)
One of the interesting things we discovered during week 1... It's very difficult to get the match schedules generated while trying to run matches. The FTA's will either need to generate before practice matches begin, or wait until after they're over, which is pretty late in the evening.

That's a side effect of moving the practice schedule back into the afternoon. Last year, you could build the qualification schedule during the lunch break in the practice schedule but now, that's when practice starts so it's a bit more complex to find a time to shoehorn in building the qualification schedule.

Squeakypig 05-03-2015 06:36

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
[FiM] Waterford has a practice schedule created...I don't remember having a practice schedule at a district before. At the State Champs it's every year, but a district? What is this world coming to? ORGANIZATION?! WAT!

rich2202 05-03-2015 06:49

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1453787)
It's very rare for teams to not show up, but it does happen. I wouldn't depend on that schedule being accurate until you see the paper copies at pit admin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis
One of the interesting things we discovered during week 1... It's very difficult to get the match schedules generated while trying to run matches. The FTA's will either need to generate before practice matches begin, or wait until after they're over, which is pretty late in the evening.

What about:
1) Generate a match schedule before practice matches begin based upon either: a) all teams showing up; or b) a teams that have shown up by 30 minutes prior to when practice matches begin. If all teams show up, you are good to go. Otherwise, you have to regenerate anyway.

Or

2) When generating the practice schedule, put in a 15 minute break around 3pm, and generate the match schedule then.

pathew100 05-03-2015 07:18

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Squeakypig (Post 1453874)
[FiM] Waterford has a practice schedule created...I don't remember having a practice schedule at a district before. At the State Champs it's every year, but a district? What is this world coming to? ORGANIZATION?! WAT!

We generate a practice schedule at the FiM districts so when we run practice we have log data for the matches, in case we or HQ need to look at something. Practice will most likely still be open, but check with your FTA to be sure.

The_ShamWOW88 05-03-2015 09:40

Re: Early Match Schedule Posting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1453790)
In qualifications win are not nearly impossible because they are Impossible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1453804)
I really should start outlining my sarcasm with more obvious notation.

Kids these days....


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