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Dominick Ferone 08-03-2015 15:04

Feeding Noodles Over the Wall
 
Are you allowed to feed noodles into the recycling container from over the wall?

blazingbronco18 08-03-2015 15:05

Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominick Ferone (Post 1455080)
Are you allowed to feed noodles into the recycling container from over the wall?

Yes, it is perfectly legal. You will see team 148 and 254 doing this a lot during their matches

who716 08-03-2015 15:05

Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall
 
yes up until the last 20 seconds

during the final 20 seconds it has to be through the noodle feeder

Dominick Ferone 08-03-2015 15:14

Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall
 
That's what i thought but just wanted to be sure of.

Jaywalker1711 08-03-2015 16:36

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This was part of my alliance's strategy in eliminations yesterday. It went quite well! I think that it was a lot faster than the noodle chute -Team Human Player

Brandon Zalinsky 08-03-2015 18:33

Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall
 
As stated above, it is legal, as long as your hand does not enter the field, which has happened a few times this year.

GeeTwo 08-03-2015 22:18

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Another advantage is that it can be done while another robot is working the tote chute.

Richard Wallace 08-03-2015 22:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1455263)
Another advantage is that it can be done while another robot is working the tote chute.

This can be a pretty big advantage. Our playoff alliance used it effectively at Kentwood. We did have to train an extra tall HP fairly quickly, when we decidied to use this method after picking a rapid chute specialist 3rd robot, and assigning ourselves as landfill/capper.

Gary Dillard 08-03-2015 22:29

Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Zalinsky (Post 1455157)
As stated above, it is legal, as long as your hand does not enter the field, which has happened a few times this year.

That's not entirely true. Here's the rule (which was changed to be very specific), emphasis mine.

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G27. ROBOTS and anything they control (except for LITTER in the LITTER CHUTE and TOTES in the TOTE CHUTE), may not contact anything outside the FIELD.
VIOLATION: Offending ROBOT will be DISABLED.
So if the recycle container is on the ground and not in control of a robot you're fine (provided your hand does not enter the field). If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.

Ben Wolsieffer 08-03-2015 22:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1455268)
If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.

254, 148, 1678 and others definitely did this though, without any penalty.

Richard Wallace 08-03-2015 22:34

Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1455268)
If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.

Did you call G27 for this? If you are not a referee, did you see it called this way?

EricLeifermann 08-03-2015 22:35

Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1455268)
That's not entirely true. Here's the rule (which was changed to be very specific), emphasis mine.



So if the recycle container is on the ground and not in control of a robot you're fine (provided your hand does not enter the field). If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.

I don't have the q&a question number but this is not true. Entering a noodle into a RC over the wall controlled by a robot is perfectly legal.

mwmac 08-03-2015 22:37

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check out Q&A #404 for further clarification...

Gary Dillard 08-03-2015 22:44

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OK I stand corrected, I had asked some early questions in Q&A before they changed the rule and I thought from the wording in the team update when it was changed that the intent was clear. Apparently they've clarified it again.

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Q421 Q. For purposes of G27, would something that is partly outside of the the FIELD and and partly inside of the FIELD (such as LITTER entering the FIELD over the ALLIANCE WALL) be considered "outside the FIELD"?

FRC3928 on 2015-02-24 | 1 Followers

A. Under G27, the issue is whether or not the contact point on the object itself is outside the FIELD, not how much of the object is in or out of the FIELD. Consider LITTER draped over a GUARDRAIL. Part of the LITTER is inside the FIELD, part is outside the FIELD. If a ROBOT or something it controls contacts the part of the LITTER inside the FIELD, there is no violation. If the ROBOT or something it controls contacts the part of the LITTER outside the FIELD, that is a violation.
I suggested this strategy last week to our team and then retracted it when I read the rules. With the Q&A ruling it's back on the board (we don't compete until week 4).

Nuttyman54 09-03-2015 01:57

Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1455273)
I don't have the q&a question number but this is not true. Entering a noodle into a RC over the wall controlled by a robot is perfectly legal.

Q&A 141, 404 and 411 all clarify this.

It is being consistently called as legal at MOST events, however it was deemed illegal at PNW events week 1 in spite of the Q&A's. This seems to have been remedied week 2 and called consistent with the rest of the country, but it would be good to have clarity in the actual rules via rule update (blue box maybe?)


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