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Louisiana Jones

14-03-2015 00:51

S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

The SWAT robots Deep Freeze and Mini Fridge teaming up to make three 6-tote stacks at the Greater Kansas City Regional.

http://youtu.be/yXGRC6AF2Ng

Gdeaver

14-03-2015 08:23

Re: S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

Well Done.

engunneer

15-03-2015 00:14

Re: S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

Great effort.

Did 3528s human player get any fouls on him? He looked to be reaching into the human player zone as he handed off totes.

orangemoore

15-03-2015 00:27

Re: S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

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Originally Posted by engunneer (Post 1457646)

Great effort.

Did 3528s human player get any fouls on him? He looked to be reaching into the human player zone as he handed off totes.

Two people cannot stand in the human player zone but they can pass off.

Quote:

G5 Only one ALLIANCE member may be in each HUMAN PLAYER ZONE (i.e. touching the carpet in a HUMAN PLAYER ZONE),
in contact with elements of that HUMAN PLAYER STATION (i.e. elements depicted in Figure 2-12), or in the HUMAN PLAYER
ZONE and in contact with the the elements of that HUMAN PLAYER STATION, at a time.
VIOLATION: FOUL. Additional FOUL for each TOTE entered onto the FIELD while in violation of this rule.

Blue Box

Quote:

The intent of G5 is to ensure that one ALLIANCE member does not work the elements of the HUMAN PLAYER STATION while another
ALLIANCE member feeds TOTES or LITTER into their respective CHUTES. TOTES, even if in the HUMAN PLAYER ZONE, are not
elements of the HUMAN PLAYER STATION, and therefore not affected by G5 (i.e. two people can be in contact with the same
TOTE simultaneously).

Ozuru

15-03-2015 01:01

Re: S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

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Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1457647)

Two people cannot stand in the human player zone but they can pass off.

With the current rule wording, am I correct to assume that as long as the second human player doesn't physically step into the carpet but still puts totes into the shoot while the other holds the door open, there would not be a foul applied?

In this video it definitely looks like the girl from S.W.A.T. could have held open the door while the man in the pink feeds totes in; it's late though and I may be not reading the rule correctly.

CaityDawh

15-03-2015 01:18

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Megan was amazing! (She was S.W.A.T's Human Player) I had the chance to play as Human Player with her during playoffs as 1730 Team Driven's Human Player. S.W.A.T was amazing to work with and I hope they do amazing things in World Champs!

orangemoore

15-03-2015 09:24

Re: S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozuru (Post 1457651)

Yes it would be a foul if the guy fed the totes into the chute even if he wasn't in the Human Player Zone.

Louisiana Jones

16-03-2015 02:11

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Originally Posted by CaityDawh (Post 1457654)

It was great working with everyone from Team Driven also. We had a great experience, and look forward to playing with everyone from your team again in the future. 1 in 8 chance we are on the same field at worlds!!!

JohnSchneider

16-03-2015 04:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1457685)

Yes it would be a foul if the guy fed the totes into the chute even if he wasn't in the Human Player Zone.

Rule citation needed.

JamesBrown

16-03-2015 09:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozuru (Post 1457651)

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1457647)

Two people cannot stand in the human player zone but they can pass off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnSchneider (Post 1458073)

Rule citation needed.

The Blue Box for G5 could not be any clearer that this is exactly the action the rule was written to prevent. I would fully expect any Q&A to deem this illegal. I would also expect it to be called as a penalty with the rule written the way it is, and it to be left to the discretion of the Head Ref, who will likely refer to the blue box. Absent a Q&A that specifically allows this, I would not attempt it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaityDawh (Post 1457654)

I don't think it could be more clear how well drilled she was. There was no wasted time or movement, and no way for her to accidentally cause a penalty, or for the ref to believe she may be doing something illegal. Very impressive.

SoccerTaco

16-03-2015 10:19

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Originally Posted by Louisiana Jones (Post 1457450)

The SWAT robots Deep Freeze and Mini Fridge teaming up to make three 6-tote stacks at the Greater Kansas City Regional.

Awesome! Great robot

Your human player has great technique, putting her "tote arm" behind her back when she opens the chute door. (yes …)

I cannot see the tether from the video angle - what did you guys use and did you have any issues with entanglement?

Great robot!!

Louisiana Jones

16-03-2015 10:47

Re: S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

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Originally Posted by SoccerTaco (Post 1458131)

Thanks, after a small amount of testing we found a 14-16 gauge wire that was very soft and flexible. We didn't have a single problem with tangling during any of our matches, or any of the testing. I'll see if I can track down exactly where we ordered it from and get back to you.

SoccerTaco

16-03-2015 11:01

Re: S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louisiana Jones (Post 1458147)

Thanks, after a small amount of testing we found a 14-16 gauge wire that was very soft and flexible.

Cool!

We have a ramp built in to our bot, so won't need to tether ourselves, but I think we will see more and more teams adopt this approach in the final weeks. I think it makes sense for us to bring some materials and come prepared to help others that could benefit from a tethered ramp strategy.

Thanks!

Bpk9p4

16-03-2015 13:36

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Does anyone have videos of S.W.A.T finals match?

orangemoore

16-03-2015 13:57

Re: S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnSchneider (Post 1458073)

Rule citation needed.

It says so in G5. It is in my first post on this page.

engunneer

16-03-2015 20:42

Re: S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1457647)

Two people cannot stand in the human player zone but they can pass off.

Thanks,

my confusion came from the rules for Auto (not breaking the plane)

Woolly

16-03-2015 21:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bpk9p4 (Post 1458268)

Does anyone have videos of S.W.A.T finals match?

The finals matches are on Team Driven's YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/teamdriven1730/videos).
The reason we were't able to set bins upright in Finals 2 is because the tab on the end of the right fork on our lift broke in match 1, and the replacement was way too stiff.

Edit: Also, I believe the tether was from Digikey

Gregor

16-03-2015 21:44

Re: S.W.A.T. 1806 3 x 6 -tote with RC #teamtether

Quote:

Originally Posted by engunneer (Post 1458491)

Thanks,

my confusion came from the rules for Auto (not breaking the plane)

Another rule citation needed.

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