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lynca 30-03-2015 12:34
2015 Waitlist Spots
 
FIRST has been handing out waitlist spots quite a bit earlier this year due to larger championship team size.

Current registered team count is close to 340 teams.


Approximately how many of the remaining championship spots are still open for waitlisted teams ?

Link07 30-03-2015 12:47
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
I expect that there is somewhere around ~240 non wait list spots still up for grabs, so possibly ~20 wait list spots.

MrTechCenter 30-03-2015 12:47
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Well, there's over 100 teams that will qualify after district championships in Week 7, and plenty of teams that can qualify this weekend at Week 6 regionals. A lot more waitlist teams will make it into champs this year, but not EVERYBODY is going to obviously. Plus, I expect that a lot of waitlist teams would decline their invitations. We got off of the waitlist last year exactly one week before we had to depart. Trying to plan flights, building a crate, and plan everything within 12 hours was not really worth it.

AdamHeard 30-03-2015 12:52
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Can someone do some analysis and generate the list of teams that are registered for champs from the waitlist?

Steven Donow 30-03-2015 12:56
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1463738)
Can someone do some analysis and generate the list of teams that are registered for champs from the waitlist?
To add to this,also the last time each of these teams went to Champs. I know of one that got in that hasn't gone since 2010, and one that went last year.

lynca 30-03-2015 12:59
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
If you were invited on the waitlist, what day did your team receive your waitlist invitation ?

IndySam 30-03-2015 13:35
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
We got our invitation last Monday, our last appearance in St Louis was 2013. We registered for the wait list the minute it was open.

I was a bit surprised that they didn't wait until after district championship this weekend. Spending $9K in one day was painful!

safiq10 30-03-2015 13:51
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
We found out that we received the waitlist card on Friday afternoon. Thanks to FIRST in Texas we were able to pay off our registration today. We found out all this at the OKC competition.

tindleroot 30-03-2015 14:00
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Just to be sure, do district teams that receive a waitlist spot take up one of their district's allocated slots, or is it additional? I am expecting waitlist spots are separate from the district slots.

Cash4587 30-03-2015 14:01
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
We were given a waitlist spot Thursday March 26th. They emailed us and said we have been taken off of the waitlist to participate in champs. Then we called to confirm and get everything set up.

Link07 30-03-2015 15:28
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Here's the list of teams qualified off of the wait-list, with the last time they qualified for champs. There may be some errors, as it was difficult to determine wildcard scenarios in some instances. The current number is ~70.

Code:
* = Never attended Championship (Year listed is rookie year)

41        2012
78        2014
102        2010
135        2014
157        2004
166        2011
203        2011
223        2010
238        2011
269        2012
339        2009
358        2013
369        2012
587        2012
691        2001
829        2013
894        2009
931        2011
1255        2004*
1339        2004*
1391        2012
1510        2011
1533        2008
1622        2013
2068        2007
2075        2009
2183        2007*
2228        2007
2339        2012
2531        2008*
2658        2008*
2767        2009
2875        2009*
2883        2009*
2950        2009*
2992        2010
3026        2009*
3042        2014
3175        2010*
3184        2010*
3288        2012
3350        2010
3352        2010
3357        2012
3566        2012
3604        2011*
3648        2011*
3653        2011*
3735        2011*
4028        2012
4207        2012*
4355        2014
4364        2012*
4381        2012*
4471        2013
4571        2013*
4584        2013*
4587        2013*
4707        2013
4841        2013*
4842        2013*
4951        2014*
4964        2014*
5162        2014*
5209        2014*
5349        2014*

EricH 30-03-2015 15:49
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Link07 (Post 1463857)
Here's the list of teams qualified off of the wait-list, with the last time they qualified for champs. There may be some errors, as it was difficult to determine wildcard scenarios in some instances. The current number is ~70.
4201 is a wildcard team, as of yesterday.

Link07 30-03-2015 15:57
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1463883)
4201 is a wildcard team, as of yesterday.
Thanks, I have removed them from the list.

EOC 30-03-2015 17:00
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Team 1208 received a wildcard slot, not not a wait list slot.

Link07 30-03-2015 17:01
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EOC (Post 1463940)
Team 1208 received a wildcard slot, not not a wait list slot.
Fixed

NightTrain 30-03-2015 17:39
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lynca (Post 1463743)
If you were invited on the waitlist, what day did your team receive your waitlist invitation ?
3288 received its invite on Thursday March 26 while at Denver regional

s1900ahon 30-03-2015 17:53
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Link07 (Post 1463857)
Here's the list of teams qualified off of the wait-list, with the last time they qualified for champs. There may be some errors, as it was difficult to determine wildcard scenarios in some instances. The current number is ~70.
2158 qualified for 2015 CMP by winning Engineering Inspiration on Archimedes at the 2014 CMP. They're not a waitlist team.

Link07 30-03-2015 18:00
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by s1900ahon (Post 1463973)
2158 qualified for 2015 CMP by winning Engineering Inspiration on Archimedes at the 2014 CMP. They're not a waitlist team.
Fixed.

ThunderousPrime 30-03-2015 23:12
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
I'm at a little baffled at how the teams that attended the Championship last year (78, 135, 3042, 4355) were able to apparently get waitlist spots. Perhaps there is something I don't know but it seems to contradict Frank's blog post from a while back.

Bolded for emphasis
Quote:
Waitlist Changes for 2015

Waitlist slots will no longer be first come first served, as they have been – essentially – in prior years. When teams sign up for the Waitlist will no longer matter, as long as they sign up during the time the Waitlist is open.

Also, teams will be selected randomly from the Waitlist, with the number of chances they have of being selected equal to the number of years they have missed attending Championship. As an example, if a team on the 2015 waitlist last attended Championship in 2012, that team has ‘missed’ Championship twice, and so will have their number ‘put in the hat’** twice. If a team on the 2015 waitlist last attended Championship in 2004, they have ‘missed’ Championship 10 times, and will have their number put in the hat 10 times.*** Teams who have never been to Championship will be considered as missing every year they have been a team. You will note this means that teams who attended Championship in 2014 will not be eligible for selection from the Waitlist. As a practical matter, though, since for several years Waitlist sign-ups for teams attending the prior year Championship have been later than those who had not attended the prior year, we rarely – if ever – have ended up inviting those prior-year teams anyway. One final note – teams must have participated in FRC during all their ‘missed’ years for those years to count in this system. As an example, for a team that participated in FRC in 2002, then did not participate again until 2005, we would only look back to 2005 in determining Championships missed.

Link07 31-03-2015 00:25
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderousPrime (Post 1464105)
I'm at a little baffled at how the teams that attended the Championship last year (78, 135, 3042, 4355) were able to apparently get waitlist spots.
This confusion stems from the fact that the blog post does not reflect the system that would be eventually be implemented in the 2015 Administrative Manual. According to Section 7.5 of the Administrative Manual:

Quote:
Teams will receive a number of “entries” to get selected from the Waitlist equal to 2015 minus the last year they attended Championship (or their rookie year, or when they most recently returned as an active team, whichever year is the most recent). As examples, a team that attended in 2014 will get one entry in the waitlist drawing, a team that last attended in 2013 will get two, and a team that has never attended but has been continuously active since 2005 will get ten.
Bolded for emphasis

MrTechCenter 31-03-2015 00:30
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Link07 (Post 1464139)
This confusion stems from the fact that the blog post does not reflect the system that would be eventually be implemented in the 2015 Administrative Manual. According to Section 7.5 of the Administrative Manual:



Bolded for emphasis
But there are plenty of teams with far more "entries" than the teams that participated at last year's championships yet these teams still get to go while others have to wait and see. It doesn't make much sense to me. Unless, these teams that attended last year have qualified in some other way that has not yet been reflected on this thread.

Gregor 31-03-2015 00:43
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1464140)
But there are plenty of teams with far more "entries" than the teams that participated at last year's championships yet these teams still get to go while others have to wait and see. It doesn't make much sense to me. Unless, these teams that attended last year have qualified in some other way that has not yet been reflected on this thread.
It's The Hunger Games and those lucky teams are Prim.

EricH 31-03-2015 00:55
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1464140)
But there are plenty of teams with far more "entries" than the teams that participated at last year's championships yet these teams still get to go while others have to wait and see. It doesn't make much sense to me. Unless, these teams that attended last year have qualified in some other way that has not yet been reflected on this thread.
It is a random drawing. If you have 20 tickets into a drawing, I have one, and there are 500 tickets overall and one prize, I have a 1/500 chance and you have a 1/25 chance for the prize. But if my ticket is drawn first, I get the prize, right?

More entries means a higher chance of getting your ticket drawn, but your ticket still needs to be drawn.

tindleroot 31-03-2015 08:41
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTechCenter (Post 1464140)
But there are plenty of teams with far more "entries" than the teams that participated at last year's championships yet these teams still get to go while others have to wait and see. It doesn't make much sense to me. Unless, these teams that attended last year have qualified in some other way that has not yet been reflected on this thread.
Our teams were entered once, which means we have a chance to win a spot. If we were not supposed to win a spot, then our teams would not have been entered in the first place.

Travis Hoffman 31-03-2015 09:41
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
I see 233 was not on the waitlist spot...list. Did they get a wild card somehow?

I ask this because they will be at QC - wanted to know if they generated a wild card.

On that note....do waitlist spot teams who still have to compete at regionals generate a wild card at that event? Hmm....

Steven Donow 31-03-2015 09:44
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 1464222)
I see 233 was not on the waitlist spot...list. Did they get a wild card somehow?

I ask this because they will be at QC - wanted to know if they generated a wild card.

On that note....do waitlist spot teams who still have to compete at regionals generate a wild card at that event? Hmm....
233 got their slot by being captains of the finalist alliance to 2468 who generated a wildcard from winning EI at Champs last year.

ATannahill 31-03-2015 09:51
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 1464222)
I see 233 was not on the waitlist spot...list. Did they get a wild card somehow?

I ask this because they will be at QC - wanted to know if they generated a wild card.

On that note....do waitlist spot teams who still have to compete at regionals generate a wild card at that event? Hmm....
No they do not.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...ility-criteria

Quote:
Wild Card Slots for the 2015 Championship

Teams can earn a Wild Card slot at their Regional Event. Any team at a Regional who has already earned a FIRST Championship spot prior to the Regional and earns an additional spot at the Regional (by being on the Winning Alliance or being selected for one of the three qualifying awards) will generate a Wild Card slot. Additionally, any Team earning two qualifying spots at a single Regional (e.g. by being on the Winning Alliance and earning the Chairman’s Award) will generate a Wild Card slot.

A team who has already earned a spot at FIRST Championship prior to the Regional and earns two qualifying spots at the Regional will generate two Wild Card slots.

A Team is considered to have already earned a FIRST Championship spot prior to the Regional if they are a pre-qualified team per Section 7.2, earned a spot at an earlier Regional by being selected for one of the three qualifying awards per Section 7.3.1, are on the Winning Alliance per Section 7.3.2, or earned a Wild Card slot per this section. Teams who have been selected from the Waitlist to participate in the FIRST Championship do not generate Wild Cards.

The Wild Card slots are distributed to the Finalist Alliance, in the order of Team selection (Alliance Captain, 1st Pick, 2nd Pick, Back-Up team, if a Back-Up team participated), until either all Wild Card slots generated at that event are distributed or the Finalist Alliance is out of Teams, whichever comes first. If a member of the Finalist Alliance has already earned a spot at the FIRST Championship, they are passed over and the next member of the Alliance is given the available Wild Card slot. A team may decline a Wild Card slot they have been offered, but this does not pass the Wild Card slot down to the next team in line, instead, that Wild Card slot will go unused. Unused Wild Card slots will not be backfilled or replaced.

lynca 01-04-2015 22:36
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
A bunch of waitlist invites were sent out today. Registration jumped from 335 to 386 Wednesday afternoon.

Check out the team list to see if your team was invited.
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...p-event?id=432

Richard.Varone 01-04-2015 23:58
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
271 received a wait list spot today, the last CMP we attended was 2012.

GreyingJay 04-04-2015 15:38
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
2994 got a waitlist spot! We have never been to worlds before so we are excited! It was a mad scramble to reach out to our sponsors to get help with the registration, and now we are madly scrambling to find accommodations for the team.

Question: How do we get instructions for shipping the robot? (We have never done this before). The KoP is at the school which is closed for our Easter long weekend until Tuesday, but I recall an envelope with something from FedEx. The admin manual says:

"5.8.2 Shipping your Robot to the Championship
1. If your team qualifies for FIRST Championship, you will be emailed one (1) FedEx electronic shipping document after the qualifying event to ship your robot to the FIRST Championship."

But we did not have a qualifying event because of the wait list. Do we still get an email? What should I be looking for? Please and thanks!

(We do have a crate, at least. Whew!)

Can't wait to meet everyone!

EricH 04-04-2015 15:42
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreyingJay (Post 1465851)
Question: How do we get instructions for shipping the robot? (We have never done this before). The KoP is at the school which is closed for our Easter long weekend until Tuesday, but I recall an envelope with something from FedEx. I also read in a manual that we should receive shipping instructions in an email once confirmed for championships, but we have not received anything yet...

What should I be looking for? Please and thanks!
Double-check the Admin Manual--I think it's Section 4. I've also heard about the email.

Mark McLeod 04-04-2015 15:45
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
FRC Logistics should contact your Main or Shipping contact about the robot FedEx.
You'll fill out a short web form (e.g., address of pickup, crate weight and dimensions) then a few days later they email you FedEx shipping forms.

After you receive the forms you have two business days to arrange a pickup directly through FedEx.

GreyingJay 04-04-2015 22:10
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1465856)
FRC Logistics should contact your Main or Shipping contact about the robot FedEx.
You'll fill out a short web form (e.g., address of pickup, crate weight and dimensions) then a few days later they email you FedEx shipping forms.

After you receive the forms you have two business days to arrange a pickup directly through FedEx.
Thanks. We have not received the email yet but we will keep on the lookout.

tindleroot 04-04-2015 23:45
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Team 135 is officially qualified for Worlds now (not waitlist registered) since we won the Indiana State Chairman's award. Even without Chairman's we still would have qualified through district points.:)

RoboAlum 05-04-2015 13:01
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
FRC Team 4841qualified yesterday at the AZ West Regional winning the Engineering Inspiration award no longer waitlist registered. 😀See you in St.Louis

alephzer0 05-04-2015 16:54
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1464143)
It's The Hunger Games and those lucky teams are Prim.
Can I volunteer as tribute?

Team3844 06-04-2015 08:35
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Have all of the wait list invites been sent?

Jacob Paikoff 06-04-2015 08:43
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Team3844 (Post 1466399)
Have all of the wait list invites been sent?
Most likely yes. As of right now there are 476 teams registered for Champs with only MSC, MAR Champs, and NE Champs next week. Those 3 events will qualify 128 teams putting the total at 604 teams.

There may be one or two spots that open up if teams can't pay but I wouldn't count on it.

Mastonevich 06-04-2015 11:36
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Paikoff (Post 1466402)
Most likely yes. As of right now there are 476 teams registered for Champs with only MSC, MAR Champs, and NE Champs next week. Those 3 events will qualify 128 teams putting the total at 604 teams.

There may be one or two spots that open up if teams can't pay but I wouldn't count on it.
Couldn't some of those 128 spots could already have an invite from HOF, last years winners, teams getting tickets from regionals?

It does appear they are getting down toward the end. That seems reasonable as we are about 14 days out.

MrTechCenter 06-04-2015 12:13
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastonevich (Post 1466478)
Couldn't some of those 128 spots could already have an invite from HOF, last years winners, teams getting tickets from regionals?

It does appear they are getting down toward the end. That seems reasonable as we are about 14 days out.
They did great with championship slot allocation this year, mostly because of the expansion. Previously, FIRST would be dishing-out waitlist invites mere days before Champs.

Anthony Galea 06-04-2015 12:31
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastonevich (Post 1466478)
Couldn't some of those 128 spots could already have an invite from HOF, last years winners, teams getting tickets from regionals?
I do know that 216 got a wild card spot from WEGLR, which takes one of Michigan's spots away.

Steven Donow 06-04-2015 12:46
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastonevich (Post 1466478)
Couldn't some of those 128 spots could already have an invite from HOF, last years winners, teams getting tickets from regionals?

It does appear they are getting down toward the end. That seems reasonable as we are about 14 days out.
Yup. There are at few off the top of my head:

125 (SoFlo Chairman's)
195 (NYTV Winners)
1923 (NYTV EI)
4575 (Queen City Winners)
2590 (Montreal Winners)

Add in HoF/O&S teams that could get spots and there will probably be a few more slots opening up eventually.

Link07 06-04-2015 13:28
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1466509)
Yup. There are at few off the top of my head:

125 (SoFlo Chairman's)
195 (NYTV Winners)
1923 (NYTV EI)
4575 (Queen City Winners)
2590 (Montreal Winners)

Add in HoF/O&S teams that could get spots and there will probably be a few more slots opening up eventually.
2016 (South Florida EI) is the other one from MAR.

Mastonevich 06-04-2015 15:57
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
I am going to choose to keep my fingers crossed in effort to get an invite then.

Rick 07-04-2015 14:49
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1466509)
Yup. There are at few off the top of my head:

125 (SoFlo Chairman's)
195 (NYTV Winners)
1923 (NYTV EI)
4575 (Queen City Winners)
2590 (Montreal Winners)

Add in HoF/O&S teams that could get spots and there will probably be a few more slots opening up eventually.
We (78) got in off the waitlist. Not sure how that effects New England spots.

tindleroot 07-04-2015 14:59
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricksta (Post 1467265)
We (78) got in off the waitlist. Not sure how that effects New England spots.
I believe it gives New England another slot for a team to go to Champs. If your team doesn't qualify through district, you get the slot. If you do qualify through district, the next highest ranked district team gets the spot.

The same thing happened in Indiana, since teams 135 and 829 both got waitlist spots at Champs. We (135) qualified via district, so the next highest ranked team (1741) got the "waitlist" spot. 829 maintained their "waitlist" spot.

Steven Donow 07-04-2015 15:01
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tindleroot (Post 1467277)
I believe it gives New England another slot for a team to go to Champs. If your team doesn't qualify through district, you get the slot. If you do qualify through district, the next highest ranked district team gets the spot.
It doesn't give a slot, it just doesn't take away a slot. And even if they win EI this weekend (which they're eligible for), it won't effect anything (other than them getting one of the two EI slots)

EDIT: Interesting. That does appear to be what happened.

alephzer0 07-04-2015 15:08
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1467279)
It doesn't give a slot, it just doesn't take away a slot. And even if they win EI this weekend (which they're eligible for), it won't effect anything (other than them getting one of the two EI slots)
So if a team that qualifies off the wait list gets one of the point slots, that does not get passed on to the next-ranked team?

Steven Donow 07-04-2015 15:17
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alephzer0 (Post 1467286)
So if a team that qualifies off the wait list gets one of the point slots, that does not get passed on to the next-ranked team?
TIL that it does appear to get passed down, based off Indiana qualifications and assuming that these allocations didn't change for 600 teams, waitlist slots do get passed down in districts.

Based off Indiana points I'm guessing 447 and 2867 must have declined going to Champs?

Hallry 07-04-2015 15:22
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1467289)
TIL that it does appear to get passed down, based off Indiana qualifications and assuming that these allocations didn't change for 600 teams, waitlist slots do get passed down in districts.

Based off Indiana points I'm guessing 447 and 2867 must have declined going to Champs?
Man I wish all this fine print was more explicitly written out somewhere...

Nick Lawrence 07-04-2015 15:28
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1467289)
TIL that it does appear to get passed down, based off Indiana qualifications and assuming that these allocations didn't change for 600 teams, waitlist slots do get passed down in districts.

Based off Indiana points I'm guessing 447 and 2867 must have declined going to Champs?
Team 829 was offered a waitlist spot in about week 4, and 5403 won RAS. The last team invited on points was 1741.

-Nick

Jacob Paikoff 07-04-2015 15:28
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1467289)
TIL that it does appear to get passed down, based off Indiana qualifications and assuming that these allocations didn't change for 600 teams, waitlist slots do get passed down in districts.

Based off Indiana points I'm guessing 447 and 2867 must have declined going to Champs?
447 and 2867 would be next in line if someone declined.

5403 was the rookie all-star winner and 829 got into Champs off the waitlist. Everyone above 447 qualified on points, or awards.

Tartan47 07-04-2015 15:29
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1467289)
Based off Indiana points I'm guessing 447 and 2867 must have declined going to Champs?
I think the cutoff may have been at the top 9 teams. This is mostly speculation but it looks like:

1741 qualified because of 135 attending from the waitlist and opening an additional spot
5403 qualified from winning RAS at the District CMP
829 qualified from a waitlist spot

Edit: See above posts

tindleroot 07-04-2015 16:19
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Here are how all of the Indiana Teams got a spot:

Indiana was given 10 slots prior to the season's start. We also have a legacy team, plus 2 teams were granted spots via waitlist.

1. 234 qualified by winning State Championship
2. 1024 qualified by winning State Championship
3. 1501 qualified by winning State EI
4. 135 qualified by winning State Chairman's (thus opening their waitlist spot to the next team)
5. 5188 qualified by points (highest ranked team that did not win an advancing award)
6. 71 qualified by points
7. 5402 qualified by points
8. 1720 qualified by points
9. 292 qualified by winning State Championship
10. 1741 qualified by points due to the "extra" spot from waitlist
11. 5403 qualified by winning State RAS
12. 829 had a waitlist spot
13. 45 is a legacy team

Thus, 10 slots + 1 legacy + 2 in-state teams with waitlist spots = 13 Indiana District teams attending worlds.

Alan Anderson 07-04-2015 16:33
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
My description is a little inaccurate. Points don't tell the whole story, and I wasn't considering the "automatic qualifier" status of certain awards when I wrote this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1467292)
Man I wish all this fine print was more explicitly written out somewhere...
There were supposed to be ten Indiana teams qualifying from the District Championship (plus the pre-qualified TechnoKats). Two had already accepted a wait list invitation, but also were in the top ten by qualifying points. I was certain that those two wait list slots would simply go back to the pool and end up providing invitations to other teams.

I was wrong. Those two teams were taken separately, and the top ten without them were announced as having qualified by points.

If it weren't for the fact that the list of qualifying Indiana teams was read to the crowd by Frank Merrick himself, I would have considered it a mistake to have handled things that way.

Mastonevich 07-04-2015 16:38
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
That does not bode well for anyone still hoping to get in.

Currently down 6 spots to 468. I assume some declined?

lynca 07-04-2015 17:00
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Team list is now at 499 teams. They must have just sent out a few more waitlist invites.

Mastonevich 07-04-2015 17:06
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
I stand corrected, wow I must have posted that right before they changed it.

499 it is.

Hopes were up for a moment.....

Hallry 07-04-2015 17:58
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1467329)
I was wrong. Those two teams were taken separately, and the top ten without them were announced as having qualified by points.

If it weren't for the fact that the list of qualifying Indiana teams was read to the crowd by Frank Merrick himself, I would have considered it a mistake to have handled things that way.
Well, when in doubt, ask Frank. I just sent an email to goodfrcquestion@usfirst.org asking Frank to clarify the waitlist spot and district point slot allocation process fully, and hopefully before the FiM, MAR, and NEFIRST District Championships this weekend. What seemed to have happened at Indiana this weekend was the opposite of what almost anyone expected, and there doesn't seem to be any official writing on the process either. Hopefully Frank and the FRC Staff will be aware of this confusion and will be able to clarify the process in an FRC Blog post in the next couple of days.

Team3844 07-04-2015 18:31
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We received an invite. I'm leaving it to the team to decide tonight. We can make 2 stacks of 6 from the feeder station. We didn't show that at our regional due to my bad coaching. We can't knock the top off of the scores but letting the team experience the Championship event will help the team grow. You never know we may get good alliances and do pretty well.

Walter Deitzler 07-04-2015 18:39
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
3397 got off the wait-list, and are going to champs for the first time in 4 years.

See yall there ;)

KosmicKhaos 07-04-2015 20:07
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even more posted, up to 537 now
https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....2015&event=cmp

mklinker 07-04-2015 20:12
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4485 just got an invitation! Tomorrow will be an interesting day at school. Year three has been a banner year but this may break the bank. A tough decision........

WeJohnFriedIt 07-04-2015 20:43
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Team 1466 just received an invitation today. Barring intervention by our high school's administrators, we're headed to St. Louis for the first time since 2010!

mcarobotics 07-04-2015 22:05
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Our team (4595) just got a waitlist spot today. Never been to champs so we are very excited!
However, this has been a hard year for fundraising and we arent sure if we can raise the money to go. What's the minimum amount needed to go, and does anyone have any ideas as to how to get ourselves to St. Louis?

Karthik 07-04-2015 22:11
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Am I the only one who's really confused by the Championship registration numbers? There are 536 teams currently on the list with another 128 pending qualifying spots this weekend (25 MAR, 35 NE, 68 MI). That's twice as many pending spots as open spots. Does anyone have any idea what's happening here? Is Champs going to be even bigger than we all expected?

dodar 07-04-2015 22:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 1467496)
Am I the only one who's really confused by the Championship registration numbers? There are 536 teams currently on the list with another 128 pending qualifying spots this weekend (25 MAR, 35 NE, 68 MI). That's twice as many pending spots as open spots. Does anyone have any idea what's happening here? Is Champs going to be even bigger than we all expected?
My only question to that then is, do those slots hold true even through waitlist slots given out to teams within those regions? Or would waitlist slots reduce the number of reserved slots per region?

AllenGregoryIV 07-04-2015 22:23
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Spectrum got in off the wait list this afternoon.

KCruz 07-04-2015 22:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 1467496)
Am I the only one who's really confused by the Championship registration numbers? There are 536 teams currently on the list with another 128 pending qualifying spots this weekend (25 MAR, 35 NE, 68 MI). That's twice as many pending spots as open spots. Does anyone have any idea what's happening here? Is Champs going to be even bigger than we all expected?
I hadn't thought about that until now - there does seem to be a mathematical problem. The team list page from the FIRST Championship website (see link below) has the count at 536, but Karthik's right, it doesn't seem like that will work unless a significant number of teams somehow get qualifying spots at district championships that had already gotten on through the waitlist.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....2015&event=cmp

Jay O'Donnell 07-04-2015 22:56
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1058 got off the Waitlist today! Very excited to go back this year.

Anupam Goli 07-04-2015 22:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 1467496)
Am I the only one who's really confused by the Championship registration numbers? There are 536 teams currently on the list with another 128 pending qualifying spots this weekend (25 MAR, 35 NE, 68 MI). That's twice as many pending spots as open spots. Does anyone have any idea what's happening here? Is Champs going to be even bigger than we all expected?
My hunch is that there are a lot of teams who may not be able to go on such a short notice, but that's a dangerous game to play. My other hunch is that a lot of teams in the district system are also on the waitlist, taking spots away from the district championships.

Link07 07-04-2015 23:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Anupam Goli (Post 1467522)
My hunch is that there are a lot of teams who may not be able to go on such a short notice, but that's a dangerous game to play. My other hunch is that a lot of teams in the district system are also on the waitlist, taking spots away from the district championships.
Waitlist spots don't count against a district's allocation.

AGPapa 07-04-2015 23:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 1467496)
Am I the only one who's really confused by the Championship registration numbers? There are 536 teams currently on the list with another 128 pending qualifying spots this weekend (25 MAR, 35 NE, 68 MI). That's twice as many pending spots as open spots. Does anyone have any idea what's happening here? Is Champs going to be even bigger than we all expected?
Some of each districts allocation has already been assigned. For example, 2590, 1923, 2016, and 4575 from MAR are already qualified via other means. This means that only 21 new MAR teams will qualify this weekend.

That doesn't really seem to solve the issue though, just make it not as bad. There will still be over 600 teams qualified, especially with Indiana's new system of passing waitlist spots down.

Link07 07-04-2015 23:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AGPapa (Post 1467530)
Some of each districts allocation has already been assigned. For example, 2590, 1923, 2016, and 4575 from MAR are already qualified via other means. This means that only 21 new MAR teams will qualify this weekend.

That doesn't really seem to solve the issue though, just make it not as bad. There will still be over 600 teams qualified, especially with Indiana's new system of passing waitlist spots down.

But, if 2590 or 1923 re-qualify at MAR, then their points slot goes to another new team

AGPapa 07-04-2015 23:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Link07 (Post 1467534)
But, if 2590 or 1923 re-qualify at MAR, then their points slot goes to another new team
Yes, so only 25 teams will ever qualify from MAR. And four of those are already awarded. So only 21 new teams will qualify. If we're looking at how many new teams will sign up this weekend, we have to subtract those district teams already qualified.

BrendanB 07-04-2015 23:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Anupam Goli (Post 1467522)
My hunch is that there are a lot of teams who may not be able to go on such a short notice, but that's a dangerous game to play. My other hunch is that a lot of teams in the district system are also on the waitlist, taking spots away from the district championships.
Yes it is true that some teams from districts might not be able to make it but I still believe New England sent our full contingent from last year and intends to do the same this year (as do other districts I'm sure). I would be very shocked if half of the district invites were not used as the current FRC registration is showing that is left. Again no hard numbers in front me since usfirst.org won't load but I'd be surprised if more than 5-10 district slots went un-used last year.

Either a mistake was made or the Championship got bigger.

Rick 08-04-2015 13:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1467537)
Either a mistake was made or the Championship got bigger.
83 team divisions?

AdamHeard 08-04-2015 13:54
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Maybe some of the teams on the list are waitlisted teams that dropped, and their site takes time to update?

It does take ~ 15 minutes to push match results afterall....

MikeE 08-04-2015 14:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1467746)
It does take ~ 15 minutes to push match results afterall....
Oooh - website caching strategy burn!


CMP is down to 527 listed teams now. My current hypothesis is that the team list was updated a little prematurely and shows all teams *offered* a waitlist spot rather than all that have accepted and paid for one.

tindleroot 08-04-2015 14:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeE (Post 1467776)
Oooh - website caching strategy burn!


CMP is down to 527 listed teams now. My current hypothesis is that the team list was updated a little prematurely and shows all teams *offered* a waitlist spot rather than all that have accepted and paid for one.
I think the only teams that are on the list are teams that have registered through TIMS.

KosmicKhaos 08-04-2015 14:55
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Quote:
My current hypothesis is that the team list was updated a little prematurely and shows all teams *offered* a waitlist spot rather than all that have accepted and paid for one.
I would agree with that it showing the teams that were offered the slot because i remember seeing teams on there the other day but not today when it dropped back to 527. Those teams must have declined.

rahilm 08-04-2015 15:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KosmicKhaos (Post 1467779)
I would agree with that it showing the teams that were offered the slot because i remember seeing teams on there the other day but not today when it dropped back to 527. Those teams must have declined.
This is definitely the case. Teams offered a spot are immediately given "Registered" status. If they decline, they are removed.

From the email:
"Your team has been moved from Wait List status to Registered status in TIMS. Important: This does not commit you to attending the Championship; this status change was done to expedite the overall Wait List process."

cgmv123 08-04-2015 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tindleroot (Post 1467777)
I think the only teams that are on the list are teams that have registered through TIMS.
Teams do not register for Championship themselves. They are automatically registered when they qualify and are dropped if they do not contact FIRST Finance to commit to paying the Championship registration fee within a certain amount of time.

jds2001 09-04-2015 00:05
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcarobotics (Post 1467488)
Our team (4595) just got a waitlist spot today. Never been to champs so we are very excited!
However, this has been a hard year for fundraising and we arent sure if we can raise the money to go. What's the minimum amount needed to go, and does anyone have any ideas as to how to get ourselves to St. Louis?
You need to pay the $5K registration fee, and then you need to get yourselves and your pit there. I suppose that you could send a skeleton crew and have the costs be minimal, or have people pay their own way in terms of transportation/lodging.

I'd probably put a minimum (registration + transportation + food + incidentals) at ~$10K, but I'd let other people more experienced opine as well.

seg9585 09-04-2015 00:47
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Team 4276 got a waitlist spot invite yesterday, but we are going to turn it down due to lack of funding for the registration fee, and too many students have AP exams during that time frame to make it worthwhile. Even for the students that don't have exams, spending $5k to send a skeleton team to participate in another competition does not feel like the best use of our funds, which we would use instead to benefit the the entire team via summer projects and training.

Good luck in St. Louis!

New Lightning 09-04-2015 08:09
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
With all the confusion out there on who gets wait list spots or not I believe that there could be a simpler, mathematical solution, Have the wait list spots be merit based.

In this merit based system the first wait list spots would go to the team captains of finalist alliances that have not already qualified, in order of Total average score over their season. If all those teams have now qualified then you move on to the first pick and invite those teams based on their Total average score over their season. (etc.)

Not to knock any of the teams that are going to champs on the wait list, but there are some very good teams who have fantastic robots who don't get to go to champs but have played much better on the field than some of the teams on the wait list.

I know that the current system wants to try and get as many teams experience at champs as possible, but when you take away the opportunity from a team with a really competitive bot, and give that opportunity to a team that might not play as well, it seems a little off to me.

If wait list spots were disrupted on merit I believe it would significantly increase the level of competition at champs, and make it more rewarding for those students who have built a good robot and earned the spot by playing well, rather than getting drawn out of the metaphorical hat.

philso 09-04-2015 09:22
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcarobotics (Post 1467488)
Our team (4595) just got a waitlist spot today. Never been to champs so we are very excited!
However, this has been a hard year for fundraising and we arent sure if we can raise the money to go. What's the minimum amount needed to go, and does anyone have any ideas as to how to get ourselves to St. Louis?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jds2001 (Post 1468025)
You need to pay the $5K registration fee, and then you need to get yourselves and your pit there. I suppose that you could send a skeleton crew and have the costs be minimal, or have people pay their own way in terms of transportation/lodging.

I'd probably put a minimum (registration + transportation + food + incidentals) at ~$10K, but I'd let other people more experienced opine as well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by seg9585 (Post 1468045)
Team 4276 got a waitlist spot invite yesterday, but we are going to turn it down due to lack of funding for the registration fee, and too many students have AP exams during that time frame to make it worthwhile. Even for the students that don't have exams, spending $5k to send a skeleton team to participate in another competition does not feel like the best use of our funds, which we would use instead to benefit the the entire team via summer projects and training.

Good luck in St. Louis!
One alternative to sending a team to compete could be to send a few key team members (students and mentors) to visit with the teams in attendance and to learn from them. You would not have the pressure of competing so you can focus on attending the seminars and learning from the teams in attendance. You may also be able to network with more established teams who can help you in future years. Other teams in your area may have a few empty seats on their bus or in their cars. The cost would be your share of the hotel room and the travel and your food. Done right, the return on the investment can be huge.

BSV 09-04-2015 10:24
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by philso (Post 1468088)
One alternative to sending a team to compete could be to send a few key team members (students and mentors) to visit with the teams in attendance and to learn from them. You would not have the pressure of competing so you can focus on attending the seminars and learning from the teams in attendance. You may also be able to network with more established teams who can help you in future years.
So glad to hear this, because this is exactly what we have planned to do. We were offered a waitlist spot, but had already have booked rooms to have our leadership team go attend seminars, network, and volunteer. Since we are small, have no money in the bank for the $5K entry fee, and would have to do an amazing turnaround on the robot to not embarrass ourselves, we figured that we are saving ourselves a lot of money and stress by not accepting, with the added benefit that we're probably almost guaranteed a spot next year if they conduct the waiting list lottery the same way (8 years, never been, for this FRC team).

GreyingJay 09-04-2015 10:26
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Another thought, if you want to look at the value of being at Worlds outside of competing your actual robot, is to just go as a team full of spectators. The event is open to the public and free of charge. You will still get to visit your friends in the pits, take advantage of all the conferences, networking, and other learning opportunities.

MikeE 09-04-2015 12:24
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Frank addressed the waitlist numbers on the FRC Blog FRC Blog earlier today (CD thread)

Jrizo 09-04-2015 13:18
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Team 4335 received the email yesterday but we have decided to decline. As a small team the turn around for registration cost was just not realistic. We look forward to going to St. Louis in the future.

Michael Blake 10-04-2015 01:13
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
3481 Bronc Botz got an invitation and we're going... we raised over $16,000.00 in 72 hours to cover the costs.

Have _no idea_ how we pulled this un-budgeted fundraising off... it's _all_ a blur... both intense and thrilling.

CHAMPS is _awesome_... and we'll take getting there anyway that we can.

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--Michael Blake

Mastonevich 10-04-2015 13:33
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Down to 492

KosmicKhaos 12-04-2015 17:08
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
The final wait list spots are posted. All 600 teams attending champs have been announced. https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....2015&event=cmp

forbes 12-04-2015 17:11
Re: 2015 Waitlist Spots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KosmicKhaos (Post 1469903)
The final wait list spots are posted. All 600 teams attending champs have been announced. https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....2015&event=cmp
"Final" only if there are no declines?

KosmicKhaos 12-04-2015 17:12
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true, i guess they aren't "final" if teams decline which is likely to happen.


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