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Justin Montois 06-04-2015 13:06
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plnyyanks 06-04-2015 13:11
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Originally Posted by Qbot2640 (Post 1466407)
So back to my original concern...do you think I will be safe planning for 8 minute turnaround...as long as we can keep field reset, and robot-transport configuration-transition within reasonable times as well? I feel comfortable predicting physical setups...just have no idea what to expect with the networking resets.

I am assuming that by October, more of these quirky connection issues will be figured out and solved. I want to figure out how "big" of an event we can plan without running too long or sacrificing number of games played per team.
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Originally Posted by Kpchem (Post 1466517)
I was the FTAA at the Colorado Regional a couple of weeks ago. We scheduled 7 minute turns for our matches. We ran behind Friday morning as we spent time getting all of the times to configure their driver stations correctly. However, once we got all of that figured out with the teams we were able to keep to our 7 minute schedule for the rest of the weekend.
This is consistent with what I saw at two events. Both scheduled 7 minute cycle times, ran ~20 minute behind Friday morning, ~10 minutes behind Friday afternoon, and basically on time Saturday morning. Once the field hit its stride, we averaged between 7 and 7:30 cycle times. So, you should be fine with 8.

akoscielski3 06-04-2015 13:15
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Originally Posted by epylko (Post 1465534)
I'm at Windsor. How do you tell what field is here?
I volunteered at Windsor as a FTAA

Field 12 was the Windsor Field. The field was also previously in Montreal and North bay. It will not be at championships though.

There was a lot of connection issues and replays in Windsor, we believe this was due to the venue and the amount of WiFi/Hot Spots in the area.

When the field was working properly on Saturday morning we were running 6 minute cycles (for the most part).

Hopefully next year we do not have similar issues!

Also volunteering as a FTAA was a lot of fun, and a great learning experience. I would recommend it to anyone (however it is very tiring and a lot of work)

scca229 06-04-2015 17:02
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Originally Posted by MrForbes (Post 1466398)
The "red case" field was working pretty well for us at AZ West.
It was actually kind of fun to have to tell teams a few times throughout each day, "Do NOT power on your robot just yet. We have to let the schedule catch up to us a little bit. We are getting too far ahead and teams are not having their rightful chance to repair/change things before their next match is queued."

I'm not sure that I can get used to being able to sit down for a leisurely lunch in the middle of the event days though. That is just plain weird. That is supposed to be a time of chaos...or it has been in my past experience of several years of FTAA duty.

Thanks to all of the Arizona West teams that made the event a sheer pleasure to be your FTAA!!

scca229 06-04-2015 17:05
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Originally Posted by akoscielski3 (Post 1466529)
Also volunteering as a FTAA was a lot of fun, and a great learning experience. I would recommend it to anyone (however it is very tiring and a lot of work)
Want to have some fun with being the FTAA? Wear a device like a Bodymedia (my favorite for the parameters it keeps track of) or a Fitbit to see how much you move. Seeing the numbers at the end of each day just makes you go, "Ouch!" Especially when you realize that it was mostly done in an area the size of a tennis court.

MikeE 06-04-2015 20:04
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Originally Posted by scca229 (Post 1466756)
Want to have some fun with being the FTAA? Wear a device like a Bodymedia (my favorite for the parameters it keeps track of) or a Fitbit to see how much you move. Seeing the numbers at the end of each day just makes you go, "Ouch!" Especially when you realize that it was mostly done in an area the size of a tennis court.
...and mostly on concrete (depending on venue)

plnyyanks 06-04-2015 20:41
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Originally Posted by MikeE (Post 1466864)
...and mostly on concrete (depending on venue)
FTAAing at convention center regionals crazy hard on your feet. Just thinking about NYC is making mine hurt again.

That being said, FTAA is definitely my favorite volunteer role, but it's not easy at all (or stress-free)

Qbot2640 06-04-2015 21:03
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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1466445)
The true "quirks" are most likely due to background tasks running on a team's Driver Station computer. FIRST can't do anything about that. It's up to the teams to clean up their computers' configuration, turning off antivirus scanners and firewalls and software updaters and streaming music clients and Skype and everything that isn't part of the FRC software.
This is the kind of information I was looking for. We can plan ahead, to have someone who is FMS-savvy visit the teams and "advise" them on their driver stations. An hour spent on Saturday morning to help the event run smoothly all day would be a worthwhile investment.

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Originally Posted by plnyyanks (Post 1465668)
This typically happens when teams are plugged in before the field has completed prestart (and is usually worse on practice day, when we're making substitutions.

I think the faster turnaround time from the refs as they hit their groove (so the field can complete prestart before the next round of teams plugs in) is the biggest factor in these delays not being seen later in the competition.
Again...great information. Process each end of game efficiently, and have the next teams do everything else before they plug in.

Thanks everyone!

plnyyanks 06-04-2015 21:38
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Originally Posted by Qbot2640 (Post 1466921)
This is the kind of information I was looking for. We can plan ahead, to have someone who is FMS-savvy visit the teams and "advise" them on their driver stations. An hour spent on Saturday morning to help the event run smoothly all day would be a worthwhile investment.
I've found the worst offenders of DS background software include: Autodesk 360, Dropbox/Google Drive, Spotify, and the like. You should also make sure that any firewall/antivirus is totally disabled (or exceptions for the Driver Station program and NI mDNS Responder)

Joe Ross 06-04-2015 22:06
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Originally Posted by Qbot2640 (Post 1466921)
This is the kind of information I was looking for. We can plan ahead, to have someone who is FMS-savvy visit the teams and "advise" them on their driver stations. An hour spent on Saturday morning to help the event run smoothly all day would be a worthwhile investment.
If there isn't a 2015 FMS lite, you may need to visit every team's pit based on what Networking Configuration you choose.

Jared 06-04-2015 22:19
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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1466445)
It's up to the teams to clean up their computers' configuration, turning off antivirus scanners and firewalls and software updaters and streaming music clients and Skype and everything that isn't part of the FRC software.
I would argue that it's up to FIRST to let teams know that they need to do these things. Little tricks, like disabling background processes, virus scans, bluetooth drivers, and removing power saving features on USB aren't widely used because teams don't have this information readily available.

akoscielski3 07-04-2015 08:44
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Originally Posted by scca229 (Post 1466756)
Want to have some fun with being the FTAA? Wear a device like a Bodymedia (my favorite for the parameters it keeps track of) or a Fitbit to see how much you move. Seeing the numbers at the end of each day just makes you go, "Ouch!" Especially when you realize that it was mostly done in an area the size of a tennis court.
I have Google fit on my phone, here are my steps:

Thursday: 28 235
Friday: 27 628 (actually more since phone was dead for a long time)
Saturday: 28 131

And I agree with FTAA being a really fun role. I did score keeping last year and I really enjoyed that to (although there would have been a lot less steps per day).

scca229 07-04-2015 10:47
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Originally Posted by akoscielski3 (Post 1467130)
I have Google fit on my phone, here are my steps:

Thursday: 28 235
Friday: 27 628 (actually more since phone was dead for a long time)
Saturday: 28 131

And I agree with FTAA being a really fun role. I did score keeping last year and I really enjoyed that to (although there would have been a lot less steps per day).
Yeah, those are in the ballpark for mine as well for all of my FTAA gigs (7? at this point). My stride is 2500/mile which would be ~34 miles for your numbers (let's assume that even if it isn't step being recorded that it is probably a down & up cycle trying to find the radio/roboRio and equivalent to a step).

I still say being the FTAA is the most exhausting fun I've ever had...and I love doing it. Bring more on! Oh yeah, the Arizona State AIA Championship is my next FTAA assignment...ROBOTICS AS AN OFFICIAL STATE RECOGNIZED SPORT!!


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