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Michael Hill 04-04-2015 12:12 PM

pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 

coolhandluke811 04-04-2015 12:19 PM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Could you share more info on this?

-What likely caused it
-How long it took you to fix.

Michael Hill 04-04-2015 12:37 PM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandluke811 (Post 1465790)
Could you share more info on this?

-What likely caused it
-How long it took you to fix.

Wasn't our team so I can't comment on it.

Racer26 04-04-2015 12:44 PM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Making an educated guess based on the photo?

Looks to me like the positive lead of those wire stubs pulled too much current through the board (possibly by shorting to ground somewhere in the wiring between the PDP+(Speed controller of choice)), overheating it and ultimately igniting the plastic chassis of the PDP.

Michael Hill 04-04-2015 12:53 PM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
I will say looking at the bottom of the PDP, there was a distinct burn mark (Unfortunately I don't have a picture) between the 40-Amp breaker slot and the smaller ones. I don't know enough about the situation to say much more.

Jaxom 04-05-2015 11:45 AM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1465801)
I will say looking at the bottom of the PDP, there was a distinct burn mark (Unfortunately I don't have a picture) between the 40-Amp breaker slot and the smaller ones. I don't know enough about the situation to say much more.

I do have a picture, which I will post as soon as I can figure out how to make CD allow me to. One theory was some kind of internal arcing. I'm not on their team either, but I think they've already contacted CrossTheRoads. The "good" news is that they only missed one match while repairing their bot.

It definitely was on fire - not just smoke. In addition to the PDP there was a bundle of CAN wire right next to the PDP that was crisped.

kpie3692 04-06-2015 09:32 AM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandluke811 (Post 1465790)
Could you share more info on this?

-What likely caused it
-How long it took you to fix.

We are still not sure why it happened but it was definitely not something that we caused. It took us under an hour to replace the pdp, 2 talons and test everything.

techhelpbb 04-06-2015 10:28 AM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
So did the field's fire extinguisher get some use?

Tungrus 04-06-2015 10:48 AM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Are you or CRE doing any analysis as to why this happened? If it was a short, the inline circuit breaker or the main breaker should have tripped (it auto resets and finally the main breaker trips), I think.

Curious to know if it the heating started on the PDP PCB (internal circuit board) somehow (possibly a metal chip that got under the cover of PDP), so the bypassed inline circuit breaker did not trip and before the main breaker (120A), tripped it melted the plastic.

Robby Unruh 04-06-2015 10:58 AM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by techhelpbb (Post 1466442)
So did the field's fire extinguisher get some use?

Yes it did. Here's a video of the incident straight from the stream. (we're working on uploading the other match days- watch them on our website!)

kpie3692 04-06-2015 11:17 AM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tungrus (Post 1466453)
Are you or CRE doing any analysis as to why this happened? If it was a short, the inline circuit breaker or the main breaker should have tripped (it auto resets and finally the main breaker trips), I think.

Curious to know if it the heating started on the PDP PCB (internal circuit board) somehow (possibly a metal chip that got under the cover of PDP), so the bypassed inline circuit breaker did not trip and before the main breaker (120A), tripped it melted the plastic.

CRE has contacted us and wants us to send them the PDP for analysis. I'm curious to see what they find and I hope they follow up with us on the cause.

It was for sure a massive short but the inline breaker and the main breaker never tripped throughout the fire. We are very careful with our electronics so I'm confident it wasnt a chip, that only leaves manufacturing defects.

Tungrus 04-06-2015 11:25 AM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kpie3692 (Post 1466468)
CRE has contacted us and wants us to send them the PDP for analysis. I'm curious to see what they find and I hope they follow up with us on the cause.

Please share your/CRE findings, we all can learn from your experience.

Thanks in advance.

ayeckley 04-06-2015 11:44 AM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Good thinking on somebody's part to have a CO2 extinguisher available rather than just standard Class ABC. That would have made a real mess.

FrankJ 04-06-2015 12:01 PM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kpie3692 (Post 1466468)
It was for sure a massive short but the inline breaker and the main breaker never tripped throughout the fire. We are very careful with our electronics so I'm confident it wasnt a chip, that only leaves manufacturing defects.

The trouble with the self resetting breakers is that they will set there self resetting, passing enough current to feed a fire. It probably limits the current enough so the main breaker would not trip. Even 40 amps @ 12V will burn things if concentrated enough. Think car cigarette lighter for those of you with cars old enough to have them.

kpie3692 04-06-2015 12:33 PM

Re: pic: 3692's PDP after catching on fire at Queen City
 
This was no small fire. With a 3 to 4 inch flame visible from the stands I'm worried about how the whole situation was handled. They let the fire go for just under a minute. Isn't the main priority of first safety? Letting a fire go that long does not seem safe to me.


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