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MAR Regional Champs
I was just looking at the MAR rankings and am getting ready to watch some very exciting matches coming up at MAR champs!
There are well over 16 robots capable of making six stacks - some on the verge of three (1640, 2590, 303, 1403, 1218). Solid landfill robots (1218, 225). Stackers with RC stealing capabilities (1676, 365, 225, 4460, 321). MAR breached the 200 point qual match this weekend at North Brunswick (2590, 4285, 219) after coming close at other MAR districts. Playoff/Final matches top off at 189 (1281,1640, 5113) - 2590 did it also with 3360 and 5443 in Montreal. MAR robots have done well outside the region (2590 winner Montreal, 4575 winner Queen City, 1923 EI NY Tech Valley, 2016 EI South Florida, 11 Finalist Hawaii, 1676 QF Waterloo, 341 SF Vegas). What is the X factor or strategy for MAR? How high will the Qual scores go? Will coopertition be a given or an afterthought - we have seen both this year in districts? Will Autonomous points tip the playoff scores? Does the fight extend to the step? Will teams be bringing their Cheesecaking skills (4460)? My apologies if I forgot anyone - So many to note! |
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MAR Champs looks pretty exciting this year; for the first time there is no team that’s clearly above everyone else.
For those of you who haven’t had the chance to follow MAR closely, here are videos of some of the top teams. 2590: This is the match that set the high score for quals in MAR. Nemesis builds three capped stacks of six. 2590 won the Hatboro and North Brunswick Districts, as well as the Montreal Regional 1640: To win the Lenape-Seneca District, Sabotage puts up two capped stacks of 6 and one capped stack of five. 1640 was a finalist at Hatboro and won the Lenape-Seneca District 1218: This match set the high score for playoffs in MAR. Vulcan makes two capped stacks of five from the landfill and a capped stack of two. 1218 was a quarterfinalist at Hatboro, and won the Springside-Chestnut Hill and Lenape Districts 225: In this match Tech Fire does a tote stack autonomous; they’re one of the few teams in MAR who can do that. They also consistently make two capped stacks of four from the landfill. And while you don’t see it this in the video, they can also grab containers off of the step in autonomous. 225 won Springside-Chestnut Hill and Upper Darby 1403: Cougar Robotics builds three capped stacks of five in the Bridgewater-Raritan District Finals. 1403 was a finalist at Hatboro and won Bridgewater. 303: TEST team consistently makes two capped stacks of six from the human player. Here they are, doing their usual, in the North Brunswick finals. 303 was a quarterfinalist at Mt. Olive, semifinalist at the Tech Valley Regional, and winner at the North Brunswick District 2607: Here are the Fighting RoboVikings making a co-op stack and a capped stack of six way back in week 1. 2607 won Hatboro and Upper Darby |
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I think an exhibition match of the top 6 teams like they did in PNW this last weekend would be awesome. Could even do PA (225, 2607, 1640) v NJ (2590, 1403, 303)
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PA v. NJ!
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On second thought...
Exhibition was not universally lauded at PNW http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=136362 |
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Welcome to the Iron Mechs (5684), the 3rd rookie to join the field. Got a chance to partner with you guys at SCH, glad to see you make it to the next level in only your first year. Judging by @RVR87Diablo tweets, I don't think our friends on Diablo (87) will be joining us. Anyone know any other likely invitation declines? |
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So I am personally of the mindset that MAR champs is completely open this year.
There isn't that one or two game changing robot that if they align would be impossible to beat like there were in years past. It's prolly going to come down to good second round picks. If you have 2 great HP robots who will get the halfway decent landfill bot? Either way I'm really excited for Thursday. |
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It'll come down to the RC's. Who gets them.
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I'm excited to watch the ever-increasing excitement of the center-can battles, but please remember to stay safe. If not for your robot's sake, for your head referee! :yikes: |
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Our last-minute attempt to give 5666, a team we knew well (from working under 1923's wings all build season), a way to contribute to the alliance and get a shot at MARCMP, was a result of both 1923 and 869 working together with 5666 to see if they could make something work. Sorry that it wasn't perfect, but I don't think it's appropriate to call anyone, especially a rookie team, laughable. I think coming home with Rookie All-Star proved they're a pretty fantastic bunch of kids. They learned a lot from the playoff experience, so I consider it a success. |
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My team canburgled on the Finalist alliance of North Brunswick (Parallel MORTiverse). It became an exciting challenge trying to scout the other canburglars in playoffs and prevent them from getting their preferred containers. As a historically defensive team, it's fun to play the defense game again while greatly increasing our own scoring potential.
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I didn't mean to degrade anyone's effort. That was not my intention. I also didn't call out any particular team number in my comment. Full disclosure I discussed how ludicrous the hook on 3340 looked in its first match saying to a mentor on my team (who helped them install it) that it reminded me of the hook you'd see in a movie to drag someone off of a stage. Again, I apologize if my comment came off too brash. |
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Ours looked like a terrifying angry scythe. I think I'd take the Vaudeville Hook instead... :) |
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I'm also glad to hear the backstory behind the changes as well. From the outside it seemed like a missed opportunity, but I can clearly see that's not the case and all three teams are very deserving of their due accolades. Again, my only intention was to highlight the safety of the field crew and robots and hope to see the level of play continue to rise in the MAR Championships. |
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On a different note, I was especially impressed with all of the Chairman's teams this year. Looking forward to seeing all of the cool Chairman's Pits and videos! Best of luck to everyone.
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Chairman's: 1647, 303, 708, 1218, 1676, 321, 1923 Engineering Inspiration: 11, 1676, 1218, 2729, 75, 365, 3314 Rookie All-Star: 5407, 5438, 5640, 5420, 5624, 5404, 5666 |
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Really looking forward to this event. There are a lot of great MAR human-loading 6-stackers that we haven't had a chance to play with yet :)
We're doing our best to make sure whatever alliance we're on can get lots of landfill points (and not lack RC's). |
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225 can dominate the landfill. And if I remember right, 1218 can as well.
225's 20-point auto might be the thing that gets them to the #1 seed. At SCH (80 auto points) and at UD (160 auto points), their auto totals were more-than-double the next-highest total. (By my count, 225 has 5 district/regional blue banners in the past 3 years, but ousted in the semis twice at MAR champs.) With such a unique landfill-oriented machine, this could be their year. There are some strong robots hidden way down in the MAR rankings, though. 316 (18th), 1811 (29th), 5420 (44th), 5404 (49th), 103 (53rd), and 193 (54th) are all better than their rankings and could be contributing to high elimination scores at Lehigh. |
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Also, MAR has a few good canburglar robots. IDK how many of them made it to DCMP though. EDIT: it turns out the team I was thinking of did not make it. 1391, metal MOOSE, can grab up to 4 cans at a time. Shout out to them for that, even though they did not make DCMP. |
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I have no doubt 225 will be seeded #1. Their auton seals the deal. Thanks for the mention. We didn't perform as well as we would have liked at Seneca but did much better at UD. We're making a few changes tomorrow that should allow us make our stacks faster and taller. It should be a fun weekend. |
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Does anyone else know of any good canburglars that are going to DCMP?
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Alliance selection will be very very interesting at MAR champs. Data will not be key since there will be so many fantastic robots to choose from and rankings will be irrelevant.
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1218 may be showing up with something. On another note this is going to be a really fun event. A lot of solid 6 stackers are going to be doing there thing. I think the quality of play will be going way up compared to MAR districts. |
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Looking forward to another awesome DCMP. I'm excited to see what improvements all you MAR teams show up with. *Relevant when you're picking another captain specifically to weaken the alliances below you, or when scorching. |
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Other great teams that need a plug for their robot I haven't seen in this thread yet -- 1923, 25, 2016, 293, 75, 203, 222, 869, 1676, 4285, 3974, 365.
Many, many great stacking robots in MAR. I wouldn't be surprised if pick #24 is worth at least a six stack, if not a six stack and a half, by playoff time. |
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For those of you counting along at home that's: 3x42 (6 stack + Cap + Noodle) 60 points for all other bins scored 20 points for auton stack 8 points for RC set 5 points for robot set I'll be nice and ignore litter. Grand total: 219. If every elimination alliance at MAR puts up an average of over 219, I will gladly wear a NUTRONs Aloha (11) shirt. Edit - Why 11, 11 and 125 have a running joke that they are a feeder team to us. Hence the NUTRONs Aloha nick name. |
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I think a 225-2590-canburglar alliance could put up 250 points.
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+18 upright LF totes -18 totes scored in 3 full stacks *2pt/tote ----------------------------------- 60 points for uncapped totes |
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I think that the best way to put it is that you're never looking just at how many points one team does on its own, but also how many points they contribute to your alliance, which is essentially what Tyler is saying. However, I think you need lots of different points of data (how many stacks, how high, from where, ability to steal cans, etc.) in order to make such a determination, so I don't see how it's irrelevant.
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Made a quick jump over to this thread to nab this list.
223 (2) 225 (2+2) 365 (2) 433 (2) 484 1089 (2) 1676 (2) 2729 (1+1) 3637 5407 I believe these are all of the teams who have already been out and about in MAR with RC grabbers. I'm not sure how many have demonstrated the ability in autonomous mode but I think that is going to be one of the keys for stacker scouts at MAR. We've seen good attempts through 7 events at MAR but there hasn't been a single team who's stood out as the most consistent during auto. Unless you have a practice bot at home, it will be tough to cheesecake a RC grabber against practiced grabbers already in the field. The other point to note for scouts will be what the RC grabber's role is after auto. Can they go back to the step and claim left over RCs quickly in teleop? Should they landfill or feeder station stack? |
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I don't think that's a very good definition of RC limited. Instead I would say that an alliance is RC limited if it has uncapped stacks and no RCs on their side of the field. In this case they would have scored a lot more with an extra RC. IIRC every winning alliance at each district event (except maybe Mt. Olive) used at least four RCs. Many finalist alliances (at least at Hatboro and North Brunswick) used four too. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a majority of the MAR champs alliances will either have a canburglar (auto or teleop) or be RC limited. |
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I predict 3 alliances will reach the 219 point Hard Cap, while all but a couple alliances with weak captains or weak scouting will be able to hit the Soft Cap. |
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Robot sets are only 4 points.
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Unfortunately, 816 had to pass on our invite. So we will not be attending this year.
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I can tell already that Lehigh is going to be awesome! There are so many good teams going, many of which 1676 doesn't get to see during our district events. We're in for great competition both in robot matches and award interviews.
I'm interested in seeing how strategies will change once you have three solid feeder station robots on the field at once. We encountered this issue to some degree at BR, so I expect it to be more apparent at MAR. In the quals, some teams may have to switch gears and assume new positions. This might actually be beneficial, especially for teams trying to find their sweet spot for playoffs. On another note, I have some small and medium (mostly small) 1676 shirts that I'd like to trade. If you're interested, please PM me! |
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I was looking at the MAR Leaderboard vs. the Blue Alliance District Ranking. They are not totally sync'd. Obviously the MAR board would be right, but I was wondering what was up with the Blue Alliance. It appears they are still giving 2 quality points per win rather than using the ranking formula.
http://frc-districtrankings.usfirst.org/MAR http://www.thebluealliance.com/events/mar (the Rankings tab) |
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After an initial glance it seems like team 5407 is a few spots out of place, causing a lot of teams to be off one spot. There may be more teams out of place further down in ranking.
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Look forward to seeing y'all at load-in tomorrow. We're looking to have a new bag of tricks up our sleeves; or at least a few feet away from them. (Who needs a driver for half of teleop anyway?) We've also found a few things more productive to do when there's a half a minute left on the clock and no totes left in the feeder station than have the can stabilizer applaud itself. Where there's weight, there's a way -- and where there's not, grab a holesaw!
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Getting ready for load in?
Robots to check out?? 1218 and 2590 promised some surprises! I know 1640 has been working to increase their already scary output. 225 also promised increased output and a possible canburgling upgrade. Anyone else? |
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MOE is excited to be here at Lehigh! As mentioned by some previous posters, we do have the ability to grab 2 step cans in autonomous rather quickly. We ran this routine almost every auto at our first district, but moved to a double-shove routine during Upper Darby since many qualification matches did not need the extra cans. We enjoyed the step-can battle with 225 during elimination matches, although we knew our arms would not succeed since the referee had made us move back before we had time to reposition the arms. Maybe we'll have a rematch soon ;)
MOE has continued to work on improvements for our canburgler mechanism, tote stacking, and capping. Can't wait to see how the competition pans out! |
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I'm excited about Qual 18. I'm streaming, and can't watch everything, so are their any other matches to look forward to?
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Here is all of Team 1676's full-field 1080p60 match footage from Thursday and Friday: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...JBmX6HLqZrdv2D. Our Saturday footage will be added to the same playlist tomorrow night. Enjoy!
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Just FYI, team 4281 received an invite at 10:30 on Thursday. The lead mentor received it as a call from FIRST. The Center School has spring break this week so trying to contact even key team members was difficult. By noon when I was contacted I wasn't even in the area, but might have been able to make Stabler Arena by 3 o'clock when qualifications started.
Being in 67th place we didn't think we could qualify so we had already resigned ourselves that we wouldn't be going so most had gone on with their plans for the week. I can't help but notice that only 53 teams are there. Might have anyone with a ranking lower then ours wanted to go? I am wondering how it might have gone if teams that knew they were not going could have pre-declined? Each team notified had to have been given enough time to get resources, notify team members, etc. |
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Congrats to the champions and award winners, as well as all of the teams who have qualified for World Champs. I know that 1676 is honored to be representing MAR again in St. Louis next week.
We have uploaded our HD full-field footage of every qualification and elimination match, opening ceremonies, and alliance selections to this playlist (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPUJJPXRAlERH8I7EPtJBmX6HLqZrdv2D) on our YouTube Channel, and have submitted them to The Blue Alliance as well. The only video that is currently missing from the playlist is the Award Ceremonies, which will hopefully be posted either today or tomorrow. Enjoy! |
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Congrats to all moving on to St. Louis.
In case anyone is interested - I consolidated the MAR standings that I maintained over the last few seasons. Now that FIRST is maintaining the district points in real time (finally!) - I'll stick to the archival data. Made some aggregate data as well, might add some more stats eventually. MAR Standings 2012-2015 |
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So far, only teams 272 and 3974 have not registered for CMP. Does anybody know if they are planning on attending?
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I have heard that 272 will be declining (due to funds), but I don't have any concrete proof yet.
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I wanted to give two quick shout-outs before I forget:
1. The entire MAR media crew for greatly improving the districts' webcast quality this past season, with special thanks to Kevin Dieterle for making the MAR AV system. What a huge improvement from it was from this in 2014 to this in 2015. 2. Rookie FRC Team 5438, the Technological Terrors. They receieved the email at 8:48 AM on Thursday morning inviting them to MAR Champs - when other teams were already busy in the pits at Lehigh University. Luckily, they were able to rush together and made it to the competition, with just 25 minutes left to spare from load in to when they had to be on the field. Awesome job to them. |
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Some shout-outs---
Thanks to the event staff and field crew for another awesome event. You guys put a ton of work into it, and it shows in the quality of the experience the teams receive. Everyone on our team had a great time. Thanks to 316 for having confidence in us, even with our inconsistencies in the qualification rounds. They were one of the most consistent stackers throughout the entire event. Major props to 203, who by the finals was putting up identical points to 316. It speaks to the depth of the stackers at the event that we were able to pick up a double 6 stack robot as robot #24. After the first quarters, they put up 5's or 6's every time. The politicking was very interesting right before the playoffs. I know at different times I had conversations with 11, 25, 1640, 1403, 2590, 193, 1218, 303, and 2607, not quite sure how everything was going to fall. All are great robots. Big congratulations to 321 and 708 for your Chairman's awards--both have great programs doing great things in the Philadelphia area. |
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I'd like to say thanks to our alliance partners 1640 and 303, it was a great experience working with you. I was so shocked that we were picked, and was so happy that we were able to get to the finals! Congrats to the District Winners, those matches were fun, and we're excited to join you at St. Louis. This will be our team's first trip since our team began, and I'm certainly happy. :)
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MAR was truly spectacular this year. There are always so many great teams, you guys truly are like one big family.
It was one of the best experiences of my life, our alliance being able to pull out the win. You guys on 225 proved in eliminations that you've lost none of your skill nor ability. It was amazing to play with such a versatile powerbot. Just as much credit also go's to 203 you guys rocked those 6 stacks like nobody's business. Your bot was without question one of the best 6 stackers at the event. (I'm amazed we were able to get you as a second pick!) We couldn't have won without you. The eliminations were definitely nail biters. It felt like I was dreaming when we managed to recover from our first quarterfinal match. There were some really strong alliances, and it was an honor to compete. Congratulations to 1640, 303, and 4653 You guys put up some amazing matches, and I hope our district will dominate at worlds. I apologize I don't have enough time to name every team at MAR. You all deserve a mention for your great robots and fantastic programs! |
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Here is a link to the canburglar showdown between MOE 365 and Vulcan 1218 in the quarterfinals (with Mercury 1089 going for the other 2 in the background.) This was taken by a MOE student from the field - it's a better view than the overhead shot on the webcam, which cut off the first second or two.
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I'm biased, since my team is involved... but I enjoyed this three-robot can battle in the quarterfinals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DTE9TjwIVA
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I was absolutely astounded by the depth of the field this year. When I pulled 203 out of the stack of papers Friday night, I thought for sure that they would be gone by the time it was our turn to pick again.
Shoutout to 225 for pulling it out in the playoffs. When I was scouting you guys I was worried about your performance, but you showed that my doubts were unfounded. Robots aside, you guys are always friendly and I love playing with you Along with my first comment, the politics of this competition made scouting really interesting this year. Ive seen so many selections end up with the first rounds going 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8... As soon as 1640 denied our pick, I knew they had a plan. The fact that there were still 6 stackers available for picking in the 2nd round shows how many good teams there were there. 1640, 303, and 4653: you were formidable opponents and had me on the edge of my seat every time we played against you Congratulations to all the teams that qualified for St. Louis. Im sure you will represent MAR well |
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I'm so happy that 75 won EI!!! I can't wait to see them when I have free time at worlds(if I do ;) ).
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Team 272 Lansdale Catholic Robotics would very much like to attend St. Louis. We are meeting tonight to hash it all out.
Congratulations and thanks to all teams for an exciting event. We had a great time. |
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There are two ways:
1. http://www.usfirst.org/whats-going-on 2. http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events |
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