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Citrus Dad 08-04-2015 17:05

Re: 2015 Champs Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Alex2614 (Post 1467815)
Are you talking qualifications or playoffs? In qualifications, it won't hurt your so-called "opponents" all that much, but will help you tremendously. In playoffs it is a different story.

Few will bring out their canburglars for quals, but there also will be few matches over 200.

EricAnderson191 08-04-2015 18:33

Re: 2015 Champs Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by themccannman (Post 1467093)
Division placement is done roughly by sign-up order. Also if you're really so determined to keep any good teams from pairing up how exactly do you plan to place ~30 teams in 8 divisions without any of those teams being together? I don't know if you've ever been to CMP before but nearly every division has at least 4 alliances that would fall under your qualification of "unfair power alliance". It's not really unfair when every alliance is strong. Alliance choosing process will be exactly the same, perhaps fewer strong alliances since there will be a lower concentration of the higher scoring teams in each division but otherwise the same.

/thread

I was wondering if FIRST Tries to construct divisions the way the NCAA constructs the basketball brackets. It appears this is not the case but it would be something for FIRST to consider.

After all, imagine the threads on CD if this actually happened!

Eric

themccannman 08-04-2015 19:01

Re: 2015 Champs Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1467785)
Realistically, if you steal 3 cans, all you need to do to win 90% of matches would be 5 stacks. Your opponents are limited to 4 capped stacks, so unless they have some serious firepower, they're done.

They have to make up an additional 42 points if you only make 5 stacks (21 totes on the platform). If you steal all 7 cans and put up 5, or steal 3 and put up 6, that's an 84 point difference, which is basically impossible.

seanthompson 09-04-2015 00:03

Re: 2015 Champs Discussion
 
Burglaring all 4 cans in finals is abolutely a chokehold, but not so much in quarters or semis, depending upon the stacking abilities of your burglaring robots. Of course, top tier teams will most likely have both the best stackers and best can grabbers. The real strategy/drama will occur when a team can grab 2 (or maybe all 4?!?) cans faster than anyone, but can't stack really at all. No sure if many or any robots like that exist though.

themccannman 09-04-2015 18:39

Re: 2015 Champs Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by seanthompson (Post 1468022)
Burglaring all 4 cans in finals is abolutely a chokehold, but not so much in quarters or semis, depending upon the stacking abilities of your burglaring robots. Of course, top tier teams will most likely have both the best stackers and best can grabbers. The real strategy/drama will occur when a team can grab 2 (or maybe all 4?!?) cans faster than anyone, but can't stack really at all. No sure if many or any robots like that exist though.

Their robots would have to be atrocious at stacking to not make 5 stacks between all 3 of them. I seriously doubt we will see an alliance like this at champs. Also grabbing the center cans actually does almost guarantee you a spot into the finals unless you do the absolute minimum possible, and two other alliances are playing out of their mind (both putting up 7 stacks in their matches that aren't against you).


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