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Drakxii 07-04-2015 19:44

2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Below is a list of district points each Texas team would have gotten based on their performance at Texas regionals, out of state regionals were not included. Only the first 2 regionals were used determine points. The first list is based on actual data. Second list assumes that a team with only 1 regional would do as well if they had completed in 2 regionals. Tiebreakers were use to determine the final places in a 64 team state champs.

No adjustment to data
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Rank        Team #        Points        Qualified?
1        118        143        Yes
2        624        139        Yes
3        2468        110        Yes
4        1296        109        Yes
5        1817        106        Yes
6        3310        90        Yes
7        2848        78        Yes
8        231        77        Yes
9        2881        74        Yes
10        2158        73        Yes
10        4063        73        Yes
12        57        72        Yes
13        1255        66        Yes
14        148        63        Yes
14        3005        63        Yes
16        3103        61        Yes
16        3735        61        Yes
18        1477        60        Yes
18        4587        60        Yes
20        5572        58        Yes
21        4300        55        Yes
22        457        49        Yes
22        5431        49        Yes
24        2587        47        Yes
24        5771        47        Yes
26        4641        44        Yes
26        5417        44        Yes
28        5754        42        Yes
29        418        41        Yes
29        3481        41        Yes
29        3997        41        Yes
29        3999        41        Yes
33        3335        40        Yes
34        4799        39        Yes
35        2582        38        Yes
35        2613        38        Yes
37        3728        36        Yes
38        4364        35        Yes
39        3743        34        Yes
40        3802        33        Yes
41        647        32        Yes
42        3350        31        Yes
43        704        30        Yes
43        4852        30        Yes
45        3043        28        Yes
45        5786        28        Yes
47        3366        26        Yes
47        3626        26        Yes
49        4301        25        Yes
49        4639        25        Yes
49        5411        25        Yes
49        5416        25        Yes
53        1642        23        Yes
53        5469        23        Yes
53        5503        23        Yes
53        5566        23        Yes
57        4610        22        Yes
57        5427        22        Yes
57        5639        22        Yes
57        5681        22        Yes
61        5052        21        Yes
61        5414        21        Yes
61        5739        21        Yes
64        5057        20        Yes
64        5261        20        No
66        4328        19        No
67        4076        18        No
67        4734        18        No
69        5212        17        No
69        5682        17        No
69        5780        17        No
72        2966        16        No
72        5103        16        No
72        5241        16        No
75        3305        15        No
75        3700        15        No
75        4597        15        No
75        5047        15        No
75        5726        15        No
75        5775        15        No
81        2950        14        No
81        3417        14        No
81        3561        14        No
81        3676        14        No
81        4155        14        No
81        4332        14        No
81        5320        14        No
88        2882        13        No
88        5242        13        No
90        2969        12        No
90        3028        12        No
90        3282        12        No
90        3370        12        No
90        4335        12        No
90        4670        12        No
90        4717        12        No
97        2583        11        No
97        3037        11        No
97        3545        11        No
97        3741        11        No
97        4206        11        No
102        499        10        No
102        2585        10        No
102        2897        10        No
102        3240        10        No
102        3679        10        No
102        4219        10        No
102        4295        10        No
102        4354        10        No
102        4694        10        No
102        5769        10        No
112        2789        9        No
112        3035        9        No
112        3355        9        No
112        3834        9        No
112        4412        9        No
112        4696        9        No
112        5070        9        No
119        441        8        No
119        2805        8        No
119        4045        8        No
119        4378        8        No
119        4570        8        No
124        1745        7        No
124        2833        7        No
124        4589        7        No
127        3345        6        No
128        3029        5        No
128        4192        5        No
130        3016        4        No
130        4798        4        No
132        2721        3        No
133        3847        0        No

Adjusted data
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Rank        Team #        Points        Qualified?
1        118        143        Yes
2        624        139        Yes
3        148        126        Yes
4        4587        120        Yes
5        2468        110        Yes
6        1296        109        Yes
7        1817        106        Yes
8        2587        94        Yes
9        3310        90        Yes
10        5431        88        Yes
11        5771        84        Yes
12        418        82        Yes
13        2848        78        Yes
13        4799        78        Yes
15        231        77        Yes
16        2582        76        Yes
16        2613        76        Yes
18        2881        74        Yes
18        5754        74        Yes
20        2158        73        Yes
20        4063        73        Yes
22        57        72        Yes
22        3728        72        Yes
24        3743        68        Yes
25        1255        66        Yes
25        3802        66        Yes
27        3005        63        Yes
28        3350        62        Yes
29        3103        61        Yes
29        3735        61        Yes
31        704        60        Yes
31        1477        60        Yes
31        4852        60        Yes
34        5572        58        Yes
35        4300        55        Yes
36        3626        52        Yes
37        4301        50        Yes
37        4639        50        Yes
39        457        49        Yes
40        5786        46        Yes
41        5411        45        Yes
42        4641        44        Yes
42        5417        44        Yes
44        3481        41        Yes
44        3997        41        Yes
44        3999        41        Yes
47        3335        40        Yes
47        5416        40        Yes
49        4328        38        Yes
50        5052        37        Yes
51        5469        36        Yes
51        5503        36        Yes
51        5566        36        Yes
54        4364        35        Yes
54        5057        35        Yes
54        5261        35        Yes
57        5427        34        Yes
57        5639        34        Yes
57        5681        34        Yes
60        647        32        Yes
60        2966        32        Yes
60        5414        32        Yes
60        5739        32        Yes
64        4597        30        Yes
64        3305        30        No
64        3700        30        No
64        5047        30        No
68        2950        28        No
68        3043        28        No
68        3417        28        No
68        3561        28        No
68        3676        28        No
68        4155        28        No
68        4332        28        No
75        5103        27        No
75        5241        27        No
77        2882        26        No
77        3366        26        No
79        2969        24        No
79        3028        24        No
79        3282        24        No
79        3370        24        No
79        4335        24        No
79        4670        24        No
79        4717        24        No
79        5682        24        No
79        5780        24        No
88        1642        23        No
88        5320        23        No
90        2583        22        No
90        3037        22        No
90        3545        22        No
90        3741        22        No
90        4206        22        No
90        4610        22        No
96        5242        21        No
97        499        20        No
97        2585        20        No
97        2897        20        No
97        3240        20        No
97        3679        20        No
97        4219        20        No
97        4295        20        No
97        4354        20        No
97        4694        20        No
97        5726        20        No
97        5775        20        No
108        2789        18        No
108        3035        18        No
108        3355        18        No
108        3834        18        No
108        4076        18        No
108        4412        18        No
108        4696        18        No
108        4734        18        No
116        5212        17        No
117        441        16        No
117        2805        16        No
117        4045        16        No
117        4378        16        No
117        4570        16        No
122        1745        14        No
122        2833        14        No
122        4589        14        No
125        5070        13        No
126        3345        12        No
127        3029        10        No
127        4192        10        No
127        5769        10        No
130        3016        8        No
130        4798        8        No
132        2721        6        No
133        3847        0        No


Finally based on the number of qualifying teams from PWN and FIM, Texas would have 25-27 teams qualify for worlds in a districts. Best I could figure Texas has 30 teams qualified for worlds, but 11 of those are waitlist, 1 is a champ from last year and 1 is from the events at Dallas. So Texas could have had 8-10 more teams at worlds if it was a district.

donnie99 07-04-2015 20:02

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Some things you should take into consideration is that in the district model, you won't have the large number of teams at the event like at regionals. Also you'll get a lot more teams winning awards and rookies getting points from awards. I would also assume that dominant teams like 118, 148, and others would go to more than two events and that a lot of points would be removed from the total.

This isn't meant to criticize, just to bring to your attention some of the other factors that can affect the way the points are distributed.

BBray_T1296 07-04-2015 20:09

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by donnie99 (Post 1467423)
Some things you should take into consideration is that in the district model, you won't have the large number of teams at the event like at regionals. Also you'll get a lot more teams winning awards and rookies getting points from awards. I would also assume that dominant teams like 118, 148, 111, and others would go to more than two events and that a lot of points would be removed from the total.

This isn't meant to criticize, just to bring to your attention some of the other factors that can affect the way the points are distributed.

Absolutely, but given that would be hard to model this is a reasonable metric. Though it is not fair to compare these points to other districts directly for this very reason.

It is fun to see how the numbers play out.

AllenGregoryIV 07-04-2015 21:03

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Going to be honest here, it's really sad being last on that list. Who knew going out of state for both of our events would have these sorts of ramifications. :)

Mr V 07-04-2015 21:14

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Definitely interesting to see. The District System is the future, no two ways about it, the only question is when for a given area so this gives teams a good idea what it would look like. As mentioned because the number of teams per event is lower in the district system those numbers would be skewed a little higher. I think it would mostly effect the middle of the pack teams but overall it would change things radically. The other thing is that for many teams in our area their performance improved at their second event. This will skew things slightly as well, The teams that would have attended their second event earlier would probably do a little better than the teams who attended their first event a little later.

I've found as the second year of the District System has come to a close there is definitely a strategy behind picking your events. Of course for next year we are thinking about switching to the "home district" event selection similar to how FiM handles things to make registration easier. Teams will still be able to opt out of their home district but they will be on their own to register for their two events and at the mercy of the popular events filling up quickly.

I do have a question though as to how you calculated those points since you show a team with 0 points and the minimum number of points that can be earned per event under this season's qualification ranking points system is 4 per event attended.

Yes if you look at the PNW points you will see a team with zero points but that is because they did not attend any events, the lead mentor had family issues to deal with and the other mentor nor any parents were willing to step up and bring the kids and robot, despite the fact that PNW FIRST added them to an already full event so they could play at least once. Needless to say I was rather disappointed. We had another team who's only mentor couldn't make it to their second event but a parent stepped up, jumped through all the school district hoops and got them there. Once they arrived the first thing we did was connect them with a couple of teams with a large mentor base to ensure they had a good event and we certainly would have done the same for the other team.

Caleb Sykes 07-04-2015 21:20

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr V (Post 1467463)
I do have a question though as to how you calculated those points since you show a team with 0 points and the minimum number of points that can be earned per event under this season's qualification ranking points system is 4 per event attended.

The OP said that only Texas events are included in this data set, and that only Texas teams were included in the data set. 3847 received 0 points because they are a Texas team that did not attend any Texas events.

AllenGregoryIV 07-04-2015 21:22

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr V (Post 1467463)
I do have a question though as to how you calculated those points since you show a team with 0 points and the minimum number of points that can be earned per event under this season's qualification ranking points system is 4 per event attended.

That was what my joke was about. We played in Arkansas and Bayou this year and didn't play in any Texas events, hence the zero points. We had a pretty sub par year even if we had played in Texas events so our score wouldn't have gone up that much. If some one wants to calculate our points from Arkansas and Bayou I wouldn't mind knowing what it was.

Drakxii 07-04-2015 21:29

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1467458)
Going to be honest here, it's really sad being last on that list. Who knew going out of state for both of our events would have these sorts of ramifications. :)

I almost forgot to add you guys, till I noticed you are going to championships. Congratulations by the way.

AllenGregoryIV 07-04-2015 21:34

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakxii (Post 1467474)
I almost forgot to add you guys, till I noticed you are going to championships. Congratulations by the way.

No worries, I assumed you had forgotten us and got most of the way through a post before searching for our number and having to start over.

Thanks we are pretty excited.

The other Gabe 07-04-2015 21:39

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by donnie99 (Post 1467423)
Some things you should take into consideration is that in the district model, you won't have the large number of teams at the event like at regionals. Also you'll get a lot more teams winning awards and rookies getting points from awards. I would also assume that dominant teams like 118, 148, and others would go to more than two events and that a lot of points would be removed from the total.

This isn't meant to criticize, just to bring to your attention some of the other factors that can affect the way the points are distributed.

1983 and 1318 chose their Districts really well and were able to do that in the PNW (mostly avoiding other OP teams from this year in the area, while being pretty darned good themselves). However, the possibly even better teams of 4488 and 955 only went to two district events. So I don't think that every great team would have gone to more events.
We did not choose out districs do so well as it turned out, and lost to them multiple times

Drakxii 07-04-2015 21:42

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1467475)
No worries, I assumed you had forgotten us and got most of the way through a post before searching for our number and having to start over.

Thanks we are pretty excited.

Also 3847 would have had 36 points.

15 from rock city and 21 from bayou

Mr V 07-04-2015 22:11

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes (Post 1467466)
The OP said that only Texas events are included in this data set, and that only Texas teams were included in the data set. 3847 received 0 points because they are a Texas team that did not attend any Texas events.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1467467)
That was what my joke was about. We played in Arkansas and Bayou this year and didn't play in any Texas events, hence the zero points. We had a pretty sub par year even if we had played in Texas events so our score wouldn't have gone up that much. If some one wants to calculate our points from Arkansas and Bayou I wouldn't mind knowing what it was.

My interpretation was that a Texas team that didn't play in Texas wouldn't be on the list.

Clayton Summerall 08-04-2015 00:07

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Could someone post a point breakdown chart?

Mr V 08-04-2015 00:49

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Here is the algorithm used to determine the Qualification points http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...0Breakdown.pdf

Alliance points are as follows. 17-n where n is either the alliance captain number or the selection number.

There 10 points awarded for each level of the elimination rounds you advance from. So making it to the Semis gives you 10 points, making it to the finals gets you 20 points and overall winner gets 30 points.

Awards are worth 5 points except for Chairman's at 10, RAS and EI at 8.

Rookie teams get a once per season 10 point bonus and 2nd year teams get a once per season 5 point bonus.

Winning Chairman's also qualifies the team and the Robot for DCMP while RAS and EI qualifies the team but not the robot to compete for that award at DCMP. However if the team wins RAS or EI at DCMP the team and the robot earn a slot at CMP.

With the current number of slots at CMP and the resulting increase in spots per District it is possible for a team to earn a spot at CMP w/o winning a single district event or even being selected for the eliminations round at DCMP. There were a couple of teams that did that in the PNW district this year.

Phalanx 08-04-2015 13:55

Re: 2015 Texas District Ranks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakxii (Post 1467415)
Finally based on the number of qualifying teams from PWN and FIM, Texas would have 25-27 teams qualify for worlds in a districts. Best I could figure Texas has 30 teams qualified for worlds, but 11 of those are waitlist, 1 is a champ from last year and 1 is from the events at Dallas. So Texas could have had 8-10 more teams at worlds if it was a district.

Well, since I'm relocating to Texas(Dallas) in the next few weeks and I'm currently on the MAR Board, I can tell you, that championship slots are percentage based. The way it works, is the size of your district in comparison to the others.

So for an example.....(This is only an example, #of teams is not accurate!)

Dallas 50 teams
FIM 200 teams
MAR 120 teams
PNW 80 teams
Total 450 teams

Of the total,
FIM gets 44% allocation of championship slots for districts
MAR gets 26% allocation of championship slots for districts
PNW gets 17% allocation of championship slots for districts
Dallas gets 11% allocation of championship slots for districts

So 11% of 50 is 5.5 teams to go to championships.
This includes the 3 winners, Chairmans, & EI.
So no extra teams based on points would get to attend.

If the Dallas area grows and adds more teams it would get more slots.
Now, if there are extra slots, Dallas teams that win outside events take away from those available slots. So if a team wins in Oklahoma, that slot is now used by a Texas team and is not available to be given out based on points.

I sincerely hope, once I get settled in the area I can get more involved with there and hopeful provide some guidance, experience and insights to the district model.


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