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cgmv123 09-04-2015 15:31
Re: Future First Championship News
 
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Originally Posted by OAXACA (Post 1468551)
I have a plan to show FIRST how upset we are: Let's just not go to champs this year. No one show up. You know what? No one just ever go again until we get this issue resolved!! :D
Better plan: The two finalist alliances on Einstein delete all code from their robots (replacing it with a placeholder delay function). All matches would end in a tie and be replayed until a winner is declared. Since no robots would ever move, there will never be a winner of one match, let alone two different winners of two matches. FIRST will have little choice but to declare co-champion alliances, which is apparently what they want to do in two years anyway. (Please don't let it come to this.)

Brandon_L 09-04-2015 15:32
Re: Future First Championship News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1468556)
We're not employees, we are customers. We all give FIRST a giant pile of money each year.
Roughly 3k teams * 5k entry fee, not including the 6k rookie fee (is that still a thing? not sure) = $15,000,000
15 million per year, and rising
Where does it all go?
Nobody knows

KeeganP 09-04-2015 15:33
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How can we, the FRC community, best fulfill the goals of FIRST and FRC? Having fewer events with the best of the best, or more events where we have a mix of great and mediocre teams?

If we want to have people get excited about FIRST, and have people "tune in" (whether in person at an event, or online, etc.), do we want all the matches to be exciting (best of the best, even if there are fewer total teams) or do we want to have a ton of teams (and thus some not so great matches/"shows")?

Does having two champs, and twice the number of teams, lower the level of competition and excitement? Does that actually detract from the goal of exciting more people? Or does more events (more teams, but a lower level of competition) cause a greater impact and excite more people?

Personally, I feel that having a smaller world champs where the matches are all more exciting, and you can focus more on each team during the event would be more effective and exciting.

cricket66 09-04-2015 15:34
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Originally Posted by MysterE (Post 1468128)
Maybe it's time for the US to have 2 Presidents and split the country into 2 halves.

This makes as much sense as having 2 half robot championships.

International teams have to decide north or south competition.

Lets cut down on domestic travel and have 4 competitions E, W, N & S. This will reduce school travel costs.

This has not been thought through very well.

JeffersonMartin 09-04-2015 15:34
Re: Future First Championship News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1468556)
We're not employees, we are customers. We all give FIRST a giant pile of money each year.
$15,246,023 to be exact.

pastelpony 09-04-2015 15:34
Re: Future First Championship News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon_L (Post 1468561)
Roughly 3k teams * 5k entry fee, not including the 6k rookie fee (is that still a thing? not sure) = $15,000,000
Where does it all go?
Nobody knows
That's not including DCMP/CMP registration fees either.

efoote868 09-04-2015 15:35
Re: Future First Championship News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cricket66 (Post 1468564)
This has not been thought through very well.
Not to play devil's advocate, but you don't know that. We're just not seeing the opposing viewpoint in this thread.

Knufire 09-04-2015 15:36
Re: Future First Championship News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon_L (Post 1468561)
Roughly 3k teams * 5k entry fee, not including the 6k rookie fee (is that still a thing? not sure) = $15,000,000
15 million per year, and rising
Where does it all go?
Nobody knows
http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...Financials.pdf

PayneTrain 09-04-2015 15:36
Re: Future First Championship News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1468560)
Better plan: The two finalist alliances on Einstein delete all code from their robots (replacing it with a placeholder delay function). All matches would end in a tie and be replayed until a winner is declared. Since no robots would ever move, there will never be a winner of one match, let alone two different winners of two matches. (Please don't let it come to this.)
dae 2soon http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibti...?itok=QfMs5Q96

If primary and secondary contacts of teams are organizing, that could be fun. I should talk to the secondary contact of 422. Wait, that's me... I'm in.

Brandon_L 09-04-2015 15:36
Re: Future First Championship News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pastelpony (Post 1468566)
That's not including DCMP/CMP registration fees either.
Or 2nd regionals, and in rare cases 3rd, ect.

meg 09-04-2015 15:37
Re: Future First Championship News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1468560)
Better plan: The two finalist alliances on Einstein delete all code from their robots (replacing it with a placeholder delay function). All matches would end in a tie and be replayed until a winner is declared. Since no robots would ever move, there will never be a winner of one match, let alone two different winners of two matches. FIRST will have little choice but to declare co-champion alliances, which is apparently what they want to do in two years anyway. (Please don't let it come to this.)
Sadly, there would still only be 3 matches. After all of the tie breakers in a match comes the "random" selector so FMS would just arbitrarily pick a winner. Who wants to see how random their random function actually is?

(I am absolutely not advocating for this. I think we, the community, need to find a way to resolve these issues without interfering with the students learning.)

bduddy 09-04-2015 15:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1468560)
Better plan: The two finalist alliances on Einstein delete all code from their robots (replacing it with a placeholder delay function). All matches would end in a tie and be replayed until a winner is declared. Since no robots would ever move, there will never be a winner of one match, let alone two different winners of two matches. FIRST will have little choice but to declare co-champion alliances, which is apparently what they want to do in two years anyway. (Please don't let it come to this.)
Actually, it would be a perfect preview of the new system: two "winning" alliances who never get to interact with each other.

Siri 09-04-2015 15:38
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Though I'm not personally as appalled as the thread standard (but I get it), I found myself wondering what this would've actually looked like. With all the talk of who you will and won't be able to play with, here's the last two year's worth of Division Winners and Finalists by which Half-World Championship they would've been at. ...Sort of. It's a rush job off TBA that relies on my geography skills. There are quite a few borderline teams--I gave PNW to Houston and was pretty random about our friends in Missouri-ish areas.

Travis Hoffman 09-04-2015 15:38
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Originally Posted by nuclearnerd (Post 1468470)
You know that that article has St. Louis as 2nd most dangerous right? We manage to chaperone thousands of kids through that city, and I haven't heard of any violent crime injuring FIRSTers yet (I hope I'm not mistaken).
Atlanta is #6. :rolleyes:

bduddy 09-04-2015 15:40
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Originally Posted by Knufire (Post 1468569)
Expenses
FIRST Robotics Competition ("FRC") 36,203,436

Wow, I'm informed...


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