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Teams Capable of 3+ Full Stacks
What are the teams that have currently shown the ability to do 3 or more full stacks of 6 with container and noodle in an official match? Provide video if you have it!
So far I have: 118 148 195 254 1023 1114 1325 2056 3476 4488 The list must be longer than that, who are they? |
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1671 and 971.
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Team 2826 is more than capable of doing 3 capped 6 stacks(They don't noodle the RC but they still deserve to be mentioned).
Here is one of their matches where they accomplish that. |
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3683 can do three 36 point stacks (5 high with litter) and a co-op.
http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives/122868884 |
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in a good game 955 can do it... happened a few times (I think)
Best I could find was 2 6's and a 4 stack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCYc...x5W3&index=146 |
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When the cans are properly oriented & nearby--
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How many of these teams listed are landfill robots?
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Thanks to 1538 for getting the RCs. |
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624 did it in Qualification 50 and both the Finals matches at the Lone Star Regional. 3 stacks with 6 totes and litter, so 42 points each.
(Qualification 50) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MWHQPuG8AE (Final 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9OfA-_XU-8 (Final 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7wfz3v6cU |
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looks like 2122 did it too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQplHScOC0k but I was on the other end of the field, so I didn't watch as well as I should have! |
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One limitation of this list is that it required these robots to either be on alliances where they made all of the stacks and caps themselves, or they were on alliances that received containers from the center in auto. Some robots, particularly tethered ramp robots, are possibly able to do this, but they've deferred game piece control to alliance partners for a more conservative strategy, and by design can't have center bin autonomous modes.
For example, 5254 got extremely close to doing so at Finger Lakes, but 340 took possession of the final can of their last stack as it was safer to work in parallel than in series. They were one tote short as a result (340 caps 5 stacks). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_nJgFuGVOI |
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548 is capable of getting 3 5 stacks and still have 30 - 40 seconds remaining. Although the RC must be upright, 548 shows they could upright 3 RCs if needed and still have time for each of their stacks of five.
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Here is a Video of team 148 getting 3 stacks with RC. Love their Ramp/Elevator Design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3zbhZvjbTQ |
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Stacks of 6: 33 67 68 118 148 195 254 314 368 624 955 971 987 1023 1114 1325 1403 1619 1640 1671 1806 2056 2122 2170 2338 2590 2826 (Gregor is annoyed you don't noodle your stacks) 3476 4488 4587 Stacks of 5: 548 1296 1678 3683 Split into two by request Continuously updating |
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S.W.A.T. 1806 consistently was able to make three full stacks of 6 plus noodles at the Oklahoma City Regional with time to flip RC's. 1296 The Full Metal Jackets was able to make 4 stacks of 5 with noodles, which made the finals a crazy showdown. Links to some of those matches below.
http://youtu.be/Yh0Y3rDIUBM http://youtu.be/R0N3u-pgDj8 http://youtu.be/vivqkBdgVjU |
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At the Colorado Regional, 1619 was able to do this fairly consistently. I only ever saw them work from the feeder station.
Update: Not many videos of the Colorado Regional online with 1619 except for elims, where they were splitting feeder station totes with 1730 and therefore never got 3 complete stacks up. But I know that they did do it at some point over the course of the weekend. |
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2170 is able to do three stacks in a game. But we average around two 6s and a 4
Here's a video where we put up 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8rdAwCWKPo |
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How many of these teams are corner only stackers?
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33 118 254 368 987 1114 2056 Feeder: 67 68 148 195 314 624 955 971 1023 1325 1403 1619 1640 1671 1806 2122 2170 2590 2826 3476 3683 4488 548 1296 1678 Both: 254 1114 2056 |
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It was a real pleasure to be field reset at NE Champs on Saturday. Watching 1519, 195, 2170 & more. The one to watch is clearly 195. I have been watching them all season. They are far better than 1519.They CONSISTANTLY place at least 4 6-stacks with RC & noodles. They will only be better in STL. I predict 5-6 full stacks w/RC & noodles. Their HP is quick & accurate. Prediction; they WILL win their division & go on to Einstein. They WILL be at least finalists.
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An aside who's been able to do 4 capped 5/6 stacks in a single match? I know 1114 and 254 have. |
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I don't have a video of it atm but check out the Lansing or midland finals, they won both consistently pulling off 3 stacks of 6++ |
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Also since when has 3683 (Team Dave) been working from the HP station. Maybe I missed it at Windsor but I thought they were a Landfill bot.
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Pro-tip: you only need 36 point stacks to lock in the win. Making 4+ perfect stacks solo won't mean much in 2 weeks. :rolleyes:
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I'm told 3683 can only make 3 full stacks if they're running from the HP.
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You are correct, 195 easily puts up 3+ capped six-stacks plus noodle EVERY match.
However, when positioned at driver station 2 or 3, we maximize even further having about 20 seconds left to continue to stack whatever totes remain. Here is one match video I found with 15 seconds remaining after the 3rd stack is placed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLCX6vv33Gc Our human player does not waste any time, her body movements have been carefully timed to maximize output. Practices 7 days a week like an athlete till she's exhausted. |
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Above is a link to our "enhanced" video of Qual Match 13 from Colorado. Like many teams, we've been working to "up" our game before St. Louis! *Credit to Ed and our awesome A/V team for the video. We'll try to get some more Colorado videos up soon. |
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Before people start making some hard predictions, I want to remind people that the cans are still the limiting resource on the field. If you can make 3+ stacks, that's great for quals, but how the divisions work out may decide matches if the fast can grabbers end up unevenly spread out across each division.
Tl;Dr cans still > everything |
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That being said, I expect the world champion alliance to come from the unlikely division where the two best can grabbers pair up. So, I do agree with the common belief that can grabbing will, in the end, be all the matters. |
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1640 made three capped stacks of 6 totes (2 with litter) at MAR Championships.
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At our first regional 1756 almost cleared the landfill our first try. When our tether was knotted at the last minute we were force to try it. If our driver would have hit it the correct way of 3,3,6,6 I'm pretty confident we would have cleared it. The feeder station most of the time was a lot more consistent and we could easily produce three stack form there by our second regional, reason being why we haven't attempted to clear the whole landfill again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGww...C9wQRyaHUmAe_O |
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3360 can do that from the landfill, or with a ramp when everything goes right
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If the second pick (w/ cheesecaked grabbers) is able to tie up one of the top scorers on the other alliance, it can quickly become about more than just the cans. That's one of the reasons we have 10lbs remaining. |
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Why doesn't our team get the recognition we deserve.. :(
We can do 3 capped stacks of 6 with noodles and if all goes well there is time to deploy a fourth uncapped stack. (Hasn't happened yet but we are hoping it will) We work entirely out of the HP Station and are a tethered robot. We also are working out the bugs for our 20pt auton. We are still unsure or not if it will be done in time for champs. That being said, we will be working non-stop until it does get on fully working. |
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2338 did 3 from HP at Midwest: https://youtu.be/U5NikmvrJpQ
Hadn't focused on landfill since Wisconsin where we did 2 consistently. |
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33 67 68 118 148 195 254 314 368 624 955 971 987 1023 1114 1325 1403 1619 1640 1671 1806 2056 2122 2170 2338 2590 2826 (Gregor is annoyed you don't noodle your stacks) 3476 4488 4587 Stacks of 5: 548 1296 1678 3683 Split into two by request Continuously updating [/quote] Quote:
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We also found a solution to avoid getting stuck on noodles, so we can also put up 3 stacks from the landfill |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QPd...utu.be&t=19625 Regards, Michael |
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4587 making 3 stacks: https://youtu.be/C6BMumPB5OM
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3 6-stacks + 20 pt auto from the landfill will be huge to posting 240+ scores in eliminations. |
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3824 has put up 3 stacks of 6. We noodled 2 of the 3 ourselves, our alliance partner 3140 was kind enough to noodle the third for us. Does that count for your list? Here is the video - 3824 is on the blue alliance, top right of the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TELqGM6DkIU&app=desktop Thanks, Steve |
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33 68 118 148 195 254 314 368 624 955 971 987 1023 1114 1325 1619 1640 1671 1806 2056 2122 2170 2338 2590 2826 (Gregor is annoyed you don't noodle your stacks) 3476 3824 4488 4587 Stacks of 5: 125 548 1296 1403 1678 3683 |
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So with this list, and I imagine there will be lots more at champs that aren't accounted for here, we're looking at the top 3 alliances likely being able to do 6-7 full stacks. Maybe even the 4th alliance.
Can wars are going to be huge in semis and beyond. I'm curious if any stack and cap separately alliances will be able to top any of the cap and stack alone alliances. |
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Example: Captain can put up 3 solo stacks and has fast can grabbers, then picks a team like 27 and their last pick they get a pure tote scorer that maybe is an auto juggernaut. I think you might see this become more of a possibility due to the large number of auto can burglars we will see. -Ronnie |
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We (125) were able to put up 3x capped 5s numerous times throughout the competition season.
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In the interest of advanced scouting, it would be awesome to see this list enhanced with the following:
Does this team run a 20pt auton? Does this team Grab Step RCs during auton? If so, how many? Our findings are that most of these 3+ stack landfill bots are the best 20pt auton bots but if you don't run the 20pt auton, you really need to be a proficient (if not "world-class") RC grabber to be a high seed/high seed 1st pick. |
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I would be very surprised if 3130 can't do this, but I haven't seen it. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
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Expect it from team 2826 Wave Robotics at Champs http://youtu.be/NVxWY06J2XU
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I would certainly expect 3130 at champs to be capable of doing 3 capped 6 stacks though even if they haven't done it already. They have had a solid year! |
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It'll definitely be interesting to see how many of each of these robots are in each division.
I'll update later today with that information (hopefully!). |
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The pieces are in place for a great elimination alliance. To go far, you will need an auto robot and two canburglars. If you want to be successful at the high levels, you will need to do one or the other. Right now, there is not a single four RC robot that can quickly get the RCs off the step before they could possible be stolen by the other team. 610 is a quick 4 RC bot, but they can be beaten by fast hookem robots like 3310 and 118. Once their hookems are in, 610 cannot come around and grab the RC. I am sure with their caliber, 610 will have some awesome things in store. I see the winning alliance on Einstein having a 20 pt auto bot and two hookem bots going off the step. With the possibility of diluted divisions this year, we may not see this alliance but who knows.
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1756 was able to put up 3 stack of 6 from the feeder station almost every match at Midwest Regional
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015ilch_qm33 we were also able to put up 2 stacks of 6 and 1 stack of 5 from the landfill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGww...C9wQRyaHUmAe_O Other Features - 20 point auto - Auto can grabber - Telop can grabber http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015ilch_qm54 |
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68 118 148 195 254 314 368 624 955 971 987 1023 1114 1325 1619 1640 1671 1756 1806 2056 2122 2170 2338 2590 2826 (Gregor is annoyed you don't noodle your stacks) 3476 3824 4488 4587 Stacks of 5: 125 548 1296 1403 1678 3683 |
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Stacks Size Teams Performance Type Division
3 6 68 Powerhouse Feeder Archimedes 3 6 314 Powerhouse Feeder Archimedes 3 6 1023 Powerhouse Feeder Archimedes 3 6 1640 Powerhouse Feeder Archimedes 3 6 2338 Powerhouse Feeder Archimedes 3 6 254 Powerhouse Landfill Carson 3 6 1325 Powerhouse Feeder Carson 3 6 4488 Powerhouse Feeder Carson 3 6 4587 Powerhouse Feeder Carson 3 5 1296 Powerhouse Feeder Carson 3 6 368 Powerhouse Landfill Carver 3 6 971 Powerhouse Feeder Carver 3 6 148 Powerhouse Feeder Curie 3 6 1114 Powerhouse Landfill Curie 3 5 3683 Powerhouse Feeder Curie 3 6 1619 Powerhouse Feeder Galileo 3 6 2056 Powerhouse Landfill Galileo 3 6 33 Powerhouse Landfill Hopper 3 6 987 Powerhouse Landfill Hopper 3 6 2590 Powerhouse Feeder Hopper 3 6 2826 Powerhouse Feeder Hopper 3 5 125 Powerhouse Feeder Hopper 3 5 548 Powerhouse Feeder Hopper 3 6 118 Powerhouse Landfill Newton 3 6 195 Powerhouse Feeder Newton 3 6 955 Powerhouse Feeder Newton 3 6 1671 Powerhouse Feeder Newton 3 5 1678 Powerhouse Feeder Newton 3 6 624 Powerhouse Feeder Tesla 3 6 1806 Powerhouse Feeder Tesla 3 6 2122 Powerhouse Feeder Tesla 3 6 2170 Powerhouse Feeder Tesla 3 6 3476 Powerhouse Feeder Tesla 3 6 3824 Powerhouse Feeder Tesla 3 5 1403 Powerhouse Feeder Tesla |
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Interestingly, this list never got updated after Champs. I added a few and changed a few, but let me know if there are more teams I'm missing ( I definitely am)
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5 Feeder Stacks of 6: 1296 (finals match 1 at 4:36:05 if the timelink doesn't work)
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I seem to remember 3309 putting up 3 stacks of 5 from the landfill, but I can't access youtube from where I am right now...
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According to my IRI Pre-scouting sheet, These are the teams that are going to IRI that I have found to be able to do this.
Consistently: 107 (Added after season. Mentor says consistent for off season events.) 148 195 1023 1114 1619 1730 1806 2122 2468 Honorable Mentions: 135 Consistent 3-5 stacks with litter (36 Point Stacks) 234 3 Full Stacks with litter ONCE on Archimedes (Capable if cans are not knocked over and other don't use the cans by wall) 548 Consistent 3-5 stacks with litter (36 Point Stacks) |
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Also, 148 will not be going to IRI. |
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While we didn't do it in a match yet (doesn't count, I know), we are able to make 3 five stacks from the chute with new additions. And if the stars align, with the added IRI rules, we can make 3 six stacks. We are looking forward to showing off our increased output next week. |
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