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JohnSchneider 16-04-2015 10:37

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
[quote=King Boopington;1471850]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1471846)
Archimedes: 1310-4451-188-4334 QF
Carson: 254-973-1241-5122 SF
Carver: 4967-1625-829-216 QF
Curie: 148-1114-341-900 F
Galileo: 1690-27-191-237 QF
Hopper: 2826-987-4265-223 W
Newton: 195-3310-190-1111 SF
Tesla: 2481-3824-1323-3847 QF QUOTE]

WOW!! No 118-1678 combo from newton?

You could just be supportive :(

MrJohnston 16-04-2015 10:38

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
I need to do some more scouting before having an actual prediction, but I do think that many of these "guesses" are missing a major point: Canburgling.

Look at most of the Curie predictions: 148 and 1114 top everybody's list. There is no doubt in my mind that they are the two strongest robots in that division. However, neither has much canburgling ability (at least as of yet). If they work together as the #1 alliance in Curie, their third pick is not likely to have a great canburgler. In other words they could be facing the prospects of frequently only having access to 3 recycling containers. So... 3 x 42pt stacks + 20 auto + 30 more tote points (?) = 176 pts. That won't get them out of the quarterfinals.

So, let's say 1114 is #1 out of qualifications. Do they dare pick 148? That question comes down to: Have they developed a fast enough autonomous can-grabber to be able to afford to do so? Or, do they need to grave for the fastest two-can auto grabber in Curie, whomever that might be? Of course if 148 is #1, they are going to have to look at 1114 and determine if they have the ability to win the center bin wars. If not, do they dare pick 1114?

The fact of the matter is: That first pick in alliance selection is, in all likelihood, going to be the fastest and most accurate can grabber available. With countless teams developing grabbers right now, it is impossible to know who that will actually be.

In all divisions, I predict that the #1 captain will be somebody who individually puts up 120-140 points per match - three stack capability. That captain will then pick the fastest/best two-can grabber in the division so long as it can put up about 40 points. The third pick will be the best available two-can grabber. The fourth - a robot that can put up some points, but may only have the ability to grab one recycling container.

What I like about this: The competition is wide open. Starting right now, if you can build the fastest two bin grabber, you have a legitimate shot at getting yourself onto Einstein.

What I find both scary and exciting: The world's fastest canburgler may not present itself until elimination rounds - or even division finals.

Yes, this year's championships could be decided by cheesecake.

orangelight 16-04-2015 10:38

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
I expect all consistent and fast canburglars to be gone before second pick begins

Kevin Leonard 16-04-2015 11:08

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orangelight (Post 1471949)
I expect all consistent and fast canburglars to be gone before second pick begins

I don't.
For two reasons:
1) There are a lot of good canburglars
2) Teams don't scout well as a rule

Abhishek R 16-04-2015 11:13

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1471969)
I don't.
For two reasons:
1) There are a lot of good canburglars
2) Teams don;t scout well as a rule

Plus the fact that you have to be able to convert those cans to stacks, and it's entirely possible some of the fastest canburglars are not very good stackers.

Pretzel 16-04-2015 11:25

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
I wonder if anyone's been developing some crazy autonomous that is both a canburglar and a 3-tote auto. Some of the teams like 1114 and 254 certainly stack fast enough to make it a possibility, even if it would be quite the programming challenge (or it could be impossibl, I don't know).

Ty Tremblay 16-04-2015 11:27

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LDiDomenico (Post 1471763)
With the release of divisions, who will come out on top?
(Lets see how off I am by Saturday :D)

Archimedes
1023-1538-503-51
Carson
254-1730-1711-1058
Carver
971-1986-2337-3507
Curie
1114-148-1816-5572
Galileo
2056-1619-365-5498
Hopper
987-548-4265-223
Newton
118-1678-5012-3137
Tesla
624-2481-319-1323

Quarterfinalists- Tesla,Hopper, Archimedes, Carver
Semifinalists- Galileo, Curie
Finalists- Newton
Winners- Carson

Honestly, predictions for Einstein are very hard because of the variables generated by the can wars. I think all of these alliances have a shot of winning Einstein.

Exciting to see 319 on here! We'll be bringing our 20-point auto, landfill stacks, and fast capping to Tesla!

Gweiss96 16-04-2015 11:28

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretzel (Post 1471981)
I wonder if anyone's been developing some crazy autonomous that is both a canburglar and a 3-tote auto. Some of the teams like 1114 and 254 certainly stack fast enough to make it a possibility, even if it would be quite the programming challenge (or it could be impossibl, I don't know).

That seems really difficult. I think you would need to do one or the other, but have an alliance partner that can do the other task.

kathrynmariel 16-04-2015 11:31

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1471846)
Archimedes: 1310-4451-188-4334 QF
Carson: 254-973-1241-5122 SF
Carver: 4967-1625-829-216 QF
Curie: 148-1114-341-900 F
Galileo: 1690-27-191-237 QF
Hopper: 2826-987-4265-223 W
Newton: 195-3310-190-1111 SF
Tesla: 2481-3824-1323-3847 QF

I like predicting crazy upsets that are going to be totally wrong.
Plus I personally just want to see a few of these teams go to Einstein. Maybe if I just will it hard enough... :P

I like this! ;)

And I definitely see team 195 going to Einstein!

M1KRONAUT 16-04-2015 11:38

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
I don't exactly know how the championships work, but I wouldn't be surprised if 1114 and 254 end up together and dominate.

Hot_Copper_Frog 16-04-2015 11:39

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1471969)
I don't.
For two reasons:
1) There are a lot of good canburglars
2) Teams don't scout well as a rule

This is so painful. 503 has been living and breathing data this season, and we've gotten to the point where we can churn out an ideal pick list for every alliance captain. Watching teams with great bots squander their picks on incompatible alliance partners makes my head hurt.

...#scoutlifeproblems?

Peyton Yeung 16-04-2015 11:40

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by M1KRONAUT (Post 1471987)
I don't exactly know how the championships work, but I wouldn't be surprised if 1114 and 254 end up together and dominate.

They are in different divisions so it won't happen unfortunately.

Lidor51 16-04-2015 11:47

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
Archimedes: 1023, 1640, 4334, 836

Carson: 254, 4488, 3339, 2283

Carver: 971, 1717, 2337, 2630

Curie: 1114, 148, 1816, 228

Galileo: 2056, 1690, 237, 2168

Hopper: 2826, 987, 223, 78

Newton: 118, 1678, 1111, 3940

Tesla: 624, 1806, 340, 1323

Jay O'Donnell 16-04-2015 12:01

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LDiDomenico (Post 1471763)
Carson
254-1730-1711-1058

Winners- Carson

It's nice to see our team get noticed! We're hoping to get picked a little higher in the draft but we wouldn't mind this alliance at all!

Anthony Galea 16-04-2015 12:01

Re: 2015 Champs Predictions
 
I will only predict alliance captain and first pick because I have no idea what teams are looking for in their third/fourth bots.

Archimedes: 1023-1538
Carson: 254-4488
Carver: 359-1024
Curie: 1114-148
Galileo: 2056-27
Hopper: 987-469
Newton: 1678-3310
Tesla: 624-3476


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