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Ginger Power 18-04-2015 04:54

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Please give us your feedback on FIRST Announcement of 2 Champions
 
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Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1473039)
What about the question where it asked you to rank your support of the two championships plan from 1-10, where 1 indicated that you "Strongly Oppose 2 Championships"?

I certainly agree with the sentiment that this survey is at least a year too late, but I don't necessarily think it was written with an outright bias.

While I agree that I don't believe it was meant to be biased, I noticed myself answering in ways that could be used to prove that people want the Championshplit. I think 2 champs is an awful idea unless it is just paving the way for super regionals, in which case it's an acceptable, potenially necessary evil.

jds2001 18-04-2015 09:34

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Please give us your feedback on FIRST Announcement of 2 Champions
 
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Originally Posted by Ginger Power (Post 1473040)
While I agree that I don't believe it was meant to be biased, I noticed myself answering in ways that could be used to prove that people want the Championshplit. I think 2 champs is an awful idea unless it is just paving the way for super regionals, in which case it's an acceptable, potenially necessary evil.

This, and this is how I see it. I think that the scaling of FRC is such that right now, super regionals aren't really a possibility. However, by 2021, things should be scaled up enough that it's a possibility. Therefore, I see this as a means to an end, and not an end in itself.

This is why in the survey to the first question, I said that I was ambivalent about the split, and provided the same detailed comments as to why.

Of course, the financial implications of such a move would need consideration as well - there's team travel to more events, more event registration fees (you can't put these events on for free, and the money has to come from somewhere), more time off school for students and teachers, more time off work for mentors, etc.

All in all, I think that this was messaged poorly, not that it was a poor decision. A lot of companies make that error - they make the correct decisions for the long term viability of the company/program/whatever and then completely mess up the messaging around it, making it seem as though it was a hastily made decision with no thoughts as to consequences. All in all, for a team PR person, I think that this is an excellent case study - getting exposure to the real world via FIRST :D

sanddrag 18-04-2015 11:12

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Please give us your feedback on FIRST Announcement of 2 Champions
 
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Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1472905)
Yes, it's actually an entry in TIMS for each team.
$22K was the average team expense in 2013

I'd love to see a distribution graph of this figure. I speculate it's heavily offset toward the low end by a large quantity of teams that attend only one event. For teams who attend championship, I imagine their annual expenses can easily reach double this number, if not more.

Kevin Sevcik 18-04-2015 12:50

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Please give us your feedback on FIRST Announcement of 2 Champions
 
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Originally Posted by DonShaw (Post 1472845)
Can somebody explain to travel cost are going to be reduce for a team from Israel, Turkey or Australia have their travel reduced by the proposed cities?

Houston has a major international airport. St Louis doesn't. Tel Aviv flights look about 300 cheaper. Sao Paulo is about 100 cheaper. Also all those Canadian teams heading to Detroit.

David Lame 18-04-2015 13:45

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Please give us your feedback on FIRST Announcement of 2 Champions
 
Here's a question I found very difficult to answer:

How important is meeting celebrities at the event(s)?

Being in the presence of People Magazine type celebrities means pretty much nothing to me, and I suspect that typical robotics students and mentors are less impressed by media superstars than are the general public. In that sense, it would get a zero on the importance scale.

On the other hand, people like the President of the United States, or the head of NASA, or a major tech CEO is a bit different. I would like to see those people at the event. (The President via live video, if possible. Actual presence requires too much security.) It's not that I think those people are cooler than rock stars or quarterbacks. That's not it at all.

I want our event to be so important, so significant, so worthy of attention that those people think it's worthwhile for them to come to us. If the President pays attention to us, other people will pay attention to what he pays attention to. I want tech CEOs to show up not because they are billionaires and I want our kids to get a chance to be in the same room them. I want them to realize that this is a rare opportunity to advertise in front of an important audience. They know that the best engineers of the next decade are in their audience, and they want those people to have a favorable impression of their company when they start looking for jobs after graduation.

When it comes to the media megastars, (like Will I Am for example) they can play a role, too, but not in an "I want to meet them" sort of way. Those people, for better or worse, draw attention. If having those people present draws the attention of the world on us and on our kids, then that's fantastic.

In other words, I want the event to be worthy of attention, and the presence of celebrities can help draw the attention the event deserves. In that sense, celebrity presence is at least an 8 out of 10.

Kevin Ray 18-04-2015 15:06

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Please give us your feedback on FIRST Announcement of 2 Champions
 
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Originally Posted by Chris Hibner (Post 1472946)
I'm definitely on team "I want only one championship", but I thought the survey was very fair and quite well written. I applaud FIRST for doing this.

If I were to predict what the company line will be at the town hall meeting, here it is:

1) "The response from the survey was that the community would prefer a single championship event such that it is a true championship"

2) "Sometimes change is hard. People thought alliances were a bad idea at first, and there were a lot of people against districts at first. But now those are well accepted in FIRST.

3) "Therefore we're going to stick with the plan for now. We'll pilot the dual championships for 3 years and re-assess everyone's opinion after giving it a try."

Emphasis mine
+1

DonShaw 18-04-2015 17:44

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Please give us your feedback on FIRST Announcement of 2 Champions
 
So with more events could First not get the cost per event down or have we have just come to except an event cost 4-5k? I would like to see a cost breakdown from First.

If districts are Saturday and Sunday then school would not be missed.

By diluted I mean that the prestige of the event. If every team can go to worlds what makes it special other than teams from all over are there? I disagree with the buy in for worlds as well. We are a team that must qualify on merits not money!

STL is an international airport.

The district model will cost our team the same amount as two regional s and worlds.

Siri 18-04-2015 18:52

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Please give us your feedback on FIRST Announcement of 2 Champions
 
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Originally Posted by jds2001 (Post 1473056)
Of course, the financial implications of such a move would need consideration as well - there's team travel to more events, more event registration fees (you can't put these events on for free, and the money has to come from somewhere)...

Many (most?) events run on event sponsorships rather than registration funds. For instance, back in the day FiM wanted MSC to be free to teams; Manchester set the price. I don't know if this applies to Worlds, but in terms of districts and regionals. HQ may subsidize some, but there are a lot of event sponsors around.

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Originally Posted by DonShaw (Post 1473163)
STL is an international airport.

STL is an expensive international airport.

Tom Line 18-04-2015 20:55

Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Please give us your feedback on FIRST Announcement of 2 Champions
 
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Originally Posted by nuclearnerd (Post 1472821)
I'm kind of disappointed there was no field for "any other ideas for making 2 venues work?". I was looking for a place to endorse the "World Champs" and "World Festival" compromise, but then the survey was over :o

Same. I used the last question box to explain that there are some very serious issues with their claim of reduced costs. Flimsy claims backing questionable decisions tend to look very bad to a very intelligent community.


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