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mipo0707 20-04-2015 11:19

can grabbers fastest?
 
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who is bringing some????
who will be the fastest???

Gweiss96 20-04-2015 11:20

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Assuming you mean in auto...
I've been told 254's is under half a second. Sounds pretty fast to me. The fastest I have seen is 610's where it completes its job in under 2 seconds.

MrForbes 20-04-2015 11:22

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
You didn't see 987 in Las Vegas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MevxhUgNAk0

Gweiss96 20-04-2015 11:34

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrForbes (Post 1473989)
You didn't see 987 in Las Vegas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MevxhUgNAk0

How fast was that? I couldn't tell due to slow motion.

dcarr 20-04-2015 11:56

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gweiss96 (Post 1473996)
How fast was that? I couldn't tell due to slow motion.

Depending on when you consider them 'grabbed,' it's about 10 seconds in that 400fps video. Converting that to 30fps 'real time' puts that at under 1 second.

MrForbes 20-04-2015 12:11

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Steven (my son, who posted the video) figured it was around a quarter of a second. Seems there are several ways to get to the can in that time, so we're going to need to be pretty sharp eyed to see what's happening during the beginning of the matches at Champs. Of course, it's easy to see which way the cans fly after they've been grabbed.

JB987 20-04-2015 12:15

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
It was indeed about a quarter second...

MrForbes 20-04-2015 12:16

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
A quarter second is so last month...

MaGiC_PiKaChU 20-04-2015 12:17

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
we've got our mechanism, but no robot to test it on. The arms can deploy under 0.4 second, so i'm pretty confident we'll join those great teams :D

Bryce Paputa 20-04-2015 12:28

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Ours resembles our shooter from last year more than what we had at the beginning of the season now...

s_forbes 20-04-2015 12:35

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
It will be fun to see how fast they can go! I think lots of teams are working on mechanisms and not revealing them, it should lead to some entertaining match starts. My favorite quote so far this year was when we weighed a bit of carbon tube that was to be used as a small support structure: "Ooh, 0.6 grams, that's more than I'd like."

I'm hoping to run around to different divisions and shoot some slow motion footage of the fastest grabbers. Might be tricky with so many divisions and teams though.

LiamN2046 20-04-2015 12:37

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryce Paputa (Post 1474021)
Ours resembles our shooter from last year more than what we had at the beginning of the season now...

What are you using to actuate your grabbers, pneumatics?

nixiebunny 20-04-2015 12:40

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
I expect the can grabbing gizmos to be stunning in their performance levels, if what we've been playing with is any indication.

Bryce Paputa 20-04-2015 12:46

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LiamN2046 (Post 1474026)
What are you using to actuate your grabbers, pneumatics?

4 CIMs and too much speargun tubing.

LiamN2046 20-04-2015 13:11

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryce Paputa (Post 1474036)
4 CIMs and too much speargun tubing.

Wow that is quite a bit of power, do you just stall the motors to keep it from deploying, or do you have some sort of release? Thanks for the reply!

Jaywalker1711 20-04-2015 13:12

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryce Paputa (Post 1474036)
4 CIMs and too much speargun tubing.

Out of curiosity, why CIMS? There are motors with higher RPM out there and you don't really need the torque...

EDIT: Did some research and remembered that you guys make your own gearboxes (I think) so that makes more sense now

AndrewPospeshil 20-04-2015 13:16

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaywalker1711 (Post 1474053)
Out of curiosity, why CIMS? There are motors with higher RPM out there and you don't really need the torque...

When you're using as much surgical tubing as possible, you need a lot of power to pull that thing back.

EDIT: DPTO

Bryce Paputa 20-04-2015 13:20

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewPospeshil (Post 1474059)
When you're using as much surgical tubing as possible, you need a lot of power to pull that thing back.

That, and even ignoring the tubing, angular acceleration = torque / inertia. If you can add torque without adding inertia it will speed it up. The more important number than RPM or torque is power though, which CIMs have a whole lot of.

Also we use the 4 CIMs to drive the robot around after autonomous.

Matt_Boehm_329 20-04-2015 13:55

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5YpXlQ5ia8 (top left in video) 329 was comfortably under 400ms in week 4 and have made some tweaks to that speed

Gaurav27 20-04-2015 13:58

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt_Boehm_329 (Post 1474088)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5YpXlQ5ia8 (top left in video) 329 was comfortably under 400ms in week 4 and have made some tweaks to that speed

Yes, I can attest to this. 329 was a steal of a pick, to think it's even quicker now is astonishing!

Good luck in Carver! :)

FIMAlumni 20-04-2015 14:05

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Not sure if this would be feasible, but in 2011 a team set up a minibot speed test. You would bring your minibot to their pit and activate in on high speed footage. They had a ranked list of teams with the fastest minibots shown. This year I would be pretty cool if one team somehow watched the practice fields and listed off times.

M. Lillis 20-04-2015 15:44

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Homer bias, but 177 was pretty fast at Hartfordhttps://youtu.be/BMK9L3OhdNo

Wayne TenBrink 20-04-2015 16:12

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryce Paputa (Post 1474036)
4 CIMs and too much speargun tubing.

What were you using at MSC?

AndrewPospeshil 20-04-2015 18:05

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne TenBrink (Post 1474176)
What were you using at MSC?

Just 4 CIMs. Same as Livonia, Waterford, Standish, etc

themccannman 20-04-2015 19:23

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FIMAlumni (Post 1474096)
Not sure if this would be feasible, but in 2011 a team set up a minibot speed test. You would bring your minibot to their pit and activate in on high speed footage. They had a ranked list of teams with the fastest minibots shown. This year I would be pretty cool if one team somehow watched the practice fields and listed off times.

Although that would be neat I don't think any of the fastest teams would be interested in doing it until they either get knocked out, or the event ends. Most teams that are racing don't want the teams they are racing to know how fast they are.

I'll be recording as many teams as I can though so I may be able to post some times after CMP.

lovelj 20-04-2015 21:30

Re: can grabbers fastest?
 
Here are two from 3824

One is 3D printed with a stand-alone pneumatic system for an alliance partner
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l5J21aIJA-I

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YynT5unWQAU

The other is very light, 0.04 lbs. Carbon fiber wire.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4AUfgudxsFo

The printed one took 30 minutes to print both arms and the base. We've got both glass fiber (more pliable) and carbon fiber (stiff)


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