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Are the results getting updated for anyone? They don't seem to be working.

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Well that explains it.

#annoyed

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I wounder why they are having to do this... hopefully they get them back going live. Its hard to tell who's doing good or not two states away. I hope this gets fixed

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It looks like everything's fixed now, at least for FIRST's site. I haven't checked if the API is also publishing the correct data.

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I don't think do there are only two matches listed for hopper

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They seem to be updating now. At least for some of the fields they are.

Direct links:
http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/CARSON/rankings
http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/NEWTON/rankings
http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/CURIE/rankings
http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/ARCHIMEDES/rankings
http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/CARVER/rankings
http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/TESLA/rankings
http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/HOPPER/rankings
http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/GALILEO/rankings

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That's the only one that hasn't been fixed yet, it seems. They should have it up and working within the hour if matches haven't begun again.

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I think the issue is that Hopper is running behind. Looks like 3 matches until lunch.

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Stream is playing Match 34, so that's not the case.

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Endpoints that included played matches (even previous events) have been, and still are, throwing 500 errors. Hasn't changed all morning :(

So no live data for any apps/websites again...

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And a bunch of unhappy users who blame the middle-men instead of the real source of the problem.

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I'm having flashbacks to week 1 again. This is not good for stress levels right before exams

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I feel ya. Lesson learned: don't build a product around crappy infrastructure.

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Here are the results on frc-events.usfirst.org in csv format: https://gist.github.com/phil-lopreia...d579f6a2de578b

They're being imported into TBA now. Some data is better than no data...

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Has anyone uploaded any match video to youtube or watchfirstnow or anywhere else? Some of us are stuck at work during the days and would love to see some robot action!

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The wifi at World Champs is not available in the Dome or the pits, and where it is available it is not reliable. Teams probably won't be able to upload any footage they took todau until they get to their hotels later tonight, which might be a while. Opening Ceremonies should be starting soon, and then teams will probably get dinner before going back to their hotels.

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After day 1.

You can be ranked 8th on Archie with QA of 121. OR You can be ranked 41st on Curie with a QA of 121. LOL

Crazy.

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Looks like the data was finally updated. Is somebody running around with a flash drive doing it manually? I can't fathom how things can be this bad.

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I'm still waiting for Tesla's data. Also Carson and Galileo.

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The local data was fine; the issue was syncing the results to the online server.

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I'm aware of that, hence my comment.

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The lack of live updates is pretty ridiculous. I'd really like to read a blog post in a few weeks about what went wrong with their datafeeds this year (both for the week 1 issues, and these).

OTOH, I've done something massively hacky to keep TBA as up to data as we can. I'm not proud of it, but it works...

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What did you do?

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I've got an excel sheet that imports the web data into a workbook and updates every hour. Then I wrote a python script to take the workbook and generate 8 csv files that we can manually import into TBA.

Fun, right?

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"Please don't scrape this page. We have an API."

No. No you don't.

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Slightly related, where can I find a list of the Dean's List winners? I only heard the last 5 that they announced.

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Don't forget what happened with FIRST's systems going down during the finals of the Pacific Northwest District Championship and for a few hours after that. It made them unable to announce who had advanced to worlds even after attempting to draw out the closing ceremony to give time to get things back online. Then, since they didn't know everyone who was advancing they wouldn't give out shipping information to anyone - even to the teams who were obviously in.

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Carson and Galileo are up to date. Tesla is still not updated.

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It looks like all the data from yesterday is available now. We'll see if it gets kept updated throughout the day.

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I know it's early, but it looks like updates are, once again, not being kept current.

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This situation is really quite pathetic. We pay how many thousands of dollars for this and they can not even update a web page with scores? TBA is doing it manually. Can't FIRST AT LEAST do that as well?

They want to run two world championships and they can't even get one right......

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And then there's this: https://twitter.com/BaselThe2nd/stat...20359981371392

Is this real life?

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It seems that the FIRST team is very concerned about "the championship experience", but only for those who are in attendance at the stadium.


Right at the moment, the results on the web page seem up to date, but I think they are just updating at lunchtime.

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So, which of you are planning to become FTAs next season to help solve these issues?

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Me, but that has more to do with the fact VA will be moving to Districts than the issues with the API.

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So you are saying it is the volunteer's responsibility to make sure the FIRST webpage reports scores in a timely manner? Really?

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It depends entirely on where the issue is. If the issue is with the field at the arena then yes, it calls under the FTA, if the issue is with the API, on the website side, then the blame lies with who ever was responsible for that.

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With all due respect, how much of this is actually an FTA problem? Having worked with the scorpion cases before I can understand the computer crashing before the score was committed. I'm honestly impressed that they managed to get everything back up and running that quickly and that they only lost one match.

I think the bigger complaint here is regarding the fact that the scores aren't updating period (except for at lunch and at the end of the day), and that the webcast quality is questionable at best. Neither one of those are FTA related, but rather instead they are problems that FIRST needs to address and probably should have addressed before planning on holding 8 simultaneous events in the same arena. The API worked for many more simultaneous events earlier in the season across the country, so I suspect it's an issue with the uplinks.

I agree with you that a lot of the people here on Chief Delphi complain and don't offer anything constructive or helpful, but calling people out and telling them to go volunteer won't help if the problem isn't a volunteer-based problem.

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I'd like to, and I'm working towards it, but I should probably graduate college first.
But more this. And don't forget FTA is not a volunteer position, FIRST certification is required.

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FTA does require FIRST certification, but they are still volunteers and not necessarily employees of FIRST*. Having been an FTAA for the last 4 years, I'd love to become involved as an FTA at an event, but being in college has prevented me from spending the time to get the certification.

*Yes, I do know that several FTAs are FIRST employees that go to events across the country.

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I don't think this is an FTA issue. It sounds like it's more in line with the outcomes of the community and HQ attempted brain meshing in the offseason to get a system that works for FIRST and the community. I think Zach Orr and David Carr are two people who are on this board who also participated and they could give more detail about that.

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This is really getting aggravating! I understand having issues the first week but were 8 weeks into this! Regardless who is responsible, I personally feel like there are more than enough people in this development community that could have helped fix issues... and would have been more than willing too. For me like many others who host third party sites its difficult to explain to people that FIRST is at fault because there are no results. Nor is it fun to open emails from very angry parents telling me to get my "stuff" straight when I'm not at fault.

This API has been a let down this whole season...

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Really? That's one of the oldest and most tired rebuttals of someone who complains about FIRST's abhorrent operations track record. I've been around long enough to remember the disastrous seasons that FMS has been through. This isn't as bad as the seasons that had wrong rankings at Week One events, non-functional automatic goal counters, the infamous schedule-of-doom, and fog horning of matches when too many points were scored in autonomous. But this is week 8. We kind of assumed they would have things working by now, especially since weeks 2-7 were solid and there was no indication of problems heading into this weekend. We're frustrated because we, the 3rd party providers who rely on a working FRC data feed, get slammed with emails & complaints asking why our product is broken, when in fact it's doing a wonderful job of serving up stale data.

Many of the complainers in this topic have done a lot for FIRST both now and in the past. Phil & Eugene spend their free time helping the FRC community by hacking on TBA. I work on Spyder and helped pull the FVC FMS out of the crapper during its first few seasons. We've all done more than enough for FIRST to earn the right to complain a bit.

And as many have said already in this thread, this isn't a problem that can be solved by an FTA. This falls squarely on FIRST IT / engineering and the poor API they rolled out. Early on, it was obvious they didn't have a good grasp on how to implement it properly and on schedule. "Put it in the cloud" and "rely on Microsoft to scale" aren't answers, they're cop-outs for poor engineering.

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Last I heard it was due to bandwidth issues, not sure if it was venue-side or FIRST-side.

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I think this is the most frustrating part. The FRC community is full of very passionate people who are heavily involved. There are people who have mentored FRC teams longer than I've been alive - think about that. Look at Mike, he's been around since 1996 and he's still involved making an awesome app over 10,000 people have downloaded (not even including iOS, stats aren't listed). That's a kind of sustained devotion other communities would kill to have.

FIRST keeps telling us to "make it loud" and there are many third party solutions out there that take this to heart. But it gets really hard, and really frustrating to do that when the platform we build on top of is unreliable, especially at the premier event of the season. The current situation is definitely better than it was in past years, but it's definitely not up to the level it needs to be in order to make the kind of impact FIRST wants (and deserves).

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - the thing I want to see most in a couple weeks is an in-depth, technical blog post about the issues they've had this season and how they're planning on mitigating them for next season. There is a lot of experience in the community, and there are plenty of people willing to help out, all they have to do is ask. It would appear that all these issues were avoidable.

So yeah, frustrating.

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From my perspective, I can easily shrug about technical difficulties, but getting the current scores and results out to the people outside the stadium just didn't seem to be a high priority.

Ok, so the state of the art, integrated, near-real time solution that allowed all sorts of integration and APIs and updated itself within seconds broke down. Bummer. Now, though, there are (hundreds? thousands? I really don't know how many) of people who would really like to follow their favorite teams during the day. In the 21st century, that's not a hard problem to solve. Fall back to plan B. thebluealliance.com managed to figure out how to make it happen, for the most part.

It seems, though, that FIRST figured that two updates per day was adequate. That doesn't seem very loud to me.

This was a prime case where my ending slogan of a few recent posts is really applicable. Think outside the walls.

I just hope the problems are solved, or worked around, by tomorrow. My plan is to be pretty glued to the computer watching the action, at least as long as the teams I am familiar with (i.e. mostly Michigan teams) are still in the running.