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GaryVoshol 26-04-2015 08:37

Re: Airplanes. Airplanes everywhere!
 
Several years ago in Atlanta I thanked a maintenance worker and asked how we compared to a typical football crowd. "Oh, much better!"

I haven't had the opportunity to go to St. Louis because of school and work, but I really hope that is still the case - that FIRST is much better than a typical football crowd. If not, we need to make it happen again!

Jay Trzaskos 26-04-2015 09:08

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Originally Posted by Jay Trzaskos (Post 1475811)
Airplanes are one thing, but I think we can all agree that throwing large, tightly wadded rolls of paper towels into the stands isn't a good idea, right?

#LitterAgreement

http://imgur.com/rgqjMzH

These both landed within 3 feet of me in the VIP lounge prior to Einstein. What kind of message is that sending to our invited guests? Just for reference, the smaller of the two is larger than a softball, and that was only two of many.

I also saw a team dump what appeared to be their entire events worth of scouting data from the upper deck. A large portion of which landed in the judges seating section.

protoserge 26-04-2015 09:16

Re: Airplanes. Airplanes everywhere!
 
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Originally Posted by Qcom (Post 1476216)
I'm bringing this up here because I haven't seen it discussed.

If this is such a problem, why doesn't FIRST put a message on the screen before Einstein starts? The vast majority of kids at these events are not the rulebreaker type. And though I loath to say it, many mentors would crack down on airplane throwing out of fear of the all seeing judges nixing their chairman's award at the last moment.

FIRST expects us to self-monitor and hold ourselves accountable for our actions. We need to set the example.

Again, our mess being "not as bad as a football game" should not be used as an excuse to trash the place. Would you leave your trash in the stands too? It's no different than throwing paper airplanes, wads of paper, or any other object. Think about it.

GreyingJay 28-04-2015 09:24

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When I left the stands I made sure to clean up all of my own food and drink garbage, then I grabbed a popcorn bucket that someone sitting beside me had left behind, and I crammed into that as many paper airplanes as I could grab off the floor on my way out.

I participated in throwing some of those planes so I figured the least I could do was pick up more than I tossed.

In retrospect I should have set a better example by not throwing planes in the first place, AND asking my students to each grab a pile to throw out on their way out.

Tinmint1 28-04-2015 09:47

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I think throwing the planes at an appropriate time is fine and fun. During the time that a speaker is talking about something serious or personal is not cool. Also the ones made out of anything other than printer paper or line paper hurt.

Using first brochures that could be used for outreach is in my opinion a stupid move those could be used more constructively. My team loves getting their hands on first brochures to use when we talk to people at events and wasting those make zero sense to my team.

Tungrus 28-04-2015 11:02

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I got hit in my eyes, the plane glided right into my eyes from side, I had no idea it was coming. Some of these "planes" were not planes or gliders, they were just missiles. I don't know how many elderly people get hit with these stupid flying things and what will trigger FIRST to ban them. I don't believe if it will stop anytime soon. It seems Boeing, a sponsor was teaching how to make paper plane or something to that effect and one of the guest speaker mentioned he will give job to those who threw it close to VIPs (some thing to that effect). Fun should not come at the cost of others' safety or peace. Hope no one got seriously injured.

bigbeezy 28-04-2015 11:13

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One landed right in front of us while placing a stack on Einstein Semis...

For how awesome Einstein is and how well done everything looks and feels. Seeing a bunch of trash lying around really kills it. I also noticed when leaving the stands later that because of the airplanes (a.k.a. trash) people felt compelled to leave their own trash (food, drinks, candy wrappers, etc.) on the ground as well. Its embarrassing. :o

Thank you to the mentors who made sure your teams policed their areas and cleaned up after themselves.

Andrew Schreiber 28-04-2015 11:20

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Originally Posted by stinglikeabee (Post 1476171)
That is so disrespectful to the venue. We are part of the FIRST family. We share the principles of Gracious Professionalism. Making a mess for others to clean up is not Gracious Professionalism. Annoying the thousands of fellow FIRSTers watching the event proceedings by hitting them with a barrage of paper is not Gracious Professionalism. Creating an unneccesary safety risk is not Gracious Professionalism.

Do we even need to have this argument anymore?

Please. No more paper airplane throwing.

Lead by example.

Can we lead by example and pick up the food I see left in the stands AT EVERY EVENT? The airplanes are pretty easy to clean up from the dome floor. The food in the stands? Not only is it gross, it's much harder to clean up because someone has to walk the stands.

Pauline Tasci 28-04-2015 11:30

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Honestly, these airplanes need to stop. It is a pain not only for everyone in the stands (especially the lower levels who get hit with them) but for the people on the field needing to push them out of the way.
This is mass littering and sure it's fun to see your plane make it down to Einstein, but think about every single person who now has to stay 2 hours extra because you threw a plane.

Gweiss96 28-04-2015 11:35

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Originally Posted by BrennanB (Post 1475261)
Or we don't encourage mass littering?

It's worth 1 point if you move it to your landfill...

216Robochick288 28-04-2015 12:26

Re: Airplanes. Airplanes everywhere!
 
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Originally Posted by bigbeezy (Post 1477780)
One landed right in front of us while placing a stack on Einstein Semis...


Head ref- "Hmm I'm sorry this stack of 6 and the RC and trash doesn't count as scored because there is an airplane under it"

I horribly wish that it would have happened and a match would have to be replayed just so FIRST would have to address the problem :(

Scott Morgan 28-04-2015 13:05

Re: Airplanes. Airplanes everywhere!
 
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Originally Posted by Jay Trzaskos (Post 1476234)
http://imgur.com/rgqjMzH

These both landed within 3 feet of me in the VIP lounge prior to Einstein. What kind of message is that sending to our invited guests? Just for reference, the smaller of the two is larger than a softball, and that was only two of many.

I also saw a team dump what appeared to be their entire events worth of scouting data from the upper deck. A large portion of which landed in the judges seating section.

Someone dumped their scouting sheets on us last year. We recovered their sheet for us, which was not filled out. Safe to say we were impressed.

Anyways, I'm anti-plane. You shouldn't be making a mess that other people will have to clean up.


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