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Kellen Hill 26-04-2015 22:47
pic: In-Line Pneumatic Fittings
 

Chris_Elston 26-04-2015 22:49
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We used this SAME setup on our robot "Team THRUST 1501". The net savings in weight is about 0.3 lbs per using the Norgren Regulator. We tested it in our practice robot for 8 weeks with no issues.

Thad House 26-04-2015 23:20
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Anybody know where we can find the pressure ratings? I'm sure they are legal, but inspectors like the see that kind of stuff, and I can't find it on their website. But these do look really awesome. Especially with those U fittings they sell, we could make a much lighter and smaller setup.

orangemoore 26-04-2015 23:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thad House (Post 1476694)
Anybody know where we can find the pressure ratings? I'm sure they are legal, but inspectors like the see that kind of stuff, and I can't find it on their website. But these do look really awesome. Especially with those U fittings they sell, we could make a much lighter and smaller setup.
This is the spec sheet from the automation direct website.

http://www.automationdirect.com/stat...linegauges.pdf

Mark Sheridan 26-04-2015 23:35
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I have used these too, they are fantastic. Very happy they are a bit orange to o. ;)

Thad House 26-04-2015 23:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1476698)
This is the spec sheet from the automation direct website.

http://www.automationdirect.com/stat...linegauges.pdf
I saw that, but for me as an inspector the gauge would pass probably, because it says 170, but the regulator might not, because it only says 120. I'm sure we could get actual maximum pressure specs from them, but that sheet wouldn't be enough.

Jeff Pahl 26-04-2015 23:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1476698)
This is the spec sheet from the automation direct website.

http://www.automationdirect.com/stat...linegauges.pdf
And the spec sheet only says that it regulates from 15-120 PSI. Based on that, it does not meet the 125 PSI requirement in the 2015 rules. I know it passed inspection this year, but that does not mean it should have...

Looks like a fantastic part, and the sort of thing I hope we see more of (if it's legal). My advice would be to file it away for future reference, and wait to see if it's determined to be legal in the future. I hope it is, I want to use it on my robot.

Insert standard disclaimer here about all previous year's rules not applying in all future years :]

cgmv123 26-04-2015 23:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Pahl (Post 1476706)
Insert standard disclaimer here about all previous year's rules not applying in all future years :]
It's that time of year again! :D

Thad House 26-04-2015 23:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Pahl (Post 1476706)
And the spec sheet only says that it regulates from 15-120 PSI. Based on that, it does not meet the 125 PSI requirement in the 2015 rules. I know it passed inspection this year, but that does not mean it should have...

Looks like a fantastic part, and the sort of thing I hope we see more of (if it's legal). My advice would be to file it away for future reference, and wait to see if it's determined to be legal in the future. I hope it is, I want to use it on my robot.

Insert standard disclaimer here about all previous year's rules not applying in all future years :]
I think I'm going to send an email to them, and ask them to add the maximum pressure rating to the spec sheet. I'm sure its higher then 120psi, since it can regulate down to that. There's a similar one on McMaster that should work, and it says 150 maximum, so it would be legal. 8844K11

EricH 27-04-2015 00:13
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I assume that this is a relieving regulator, is that correct? If it isn't, I'm going to have to concur on the "maybe shouldn't have passed inspection" crowd. If it is, I think I'll pass the info on to my team...

Jeff Pahl 27-04-2015 00:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thad House (Post 1476713)
I think I'm going to send an email to them, and ask them to add the maximum pressure rating to the spec sheet. I'm sure its higher then 120psi, since it can regulate down to that. There's a similar one on McMaster that should work, and it says 150 maximum, so it would be legal. 8844K11
I'm going to be emailing Rick Folea on Monday to ask him that. It just so happens that it's a small world, and a long time ago in another place and time we used to work together :)

orangemoore 27-04-2015 00:19
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Does this even pass rule 66 G?

Quote:
R66 The only pneumatic system items permitted on 2015 FRC ROBOTS include the items listed below.
A. Items available in the KOP (except as noted in I),
B. Pneumatic pressure vent plug valves functionally equivalent to those provided in the KOP,
C. Solenoid valves with a maximum 1/8 in. NPT port diameter,
D. Solenoid valves that are rated for a maximum rated pressure that is less than 125 psi rating mandated above are permitted,
however if employed, an additional pressure relief valve must be added to the low pressure side of the main regulator. The
additional relief valve must be set to a lower pressure than the maximum pressure rating for the solenoid valve,
E. Additional pneumatic tubing, with a maximum 0.160 in. inside diameter, functionally equivalent to that provided in the KOP,
F. Pressure transducers, pressure gauges, passive flow control valves (specifically “needle valves”), manifolds, and
connecting fittings,
G. Pressure regulators with a maximum outlet pressure of no more than 60 psi,
H. Pneumatic cylinders,
I. Pneumatic storage tanks (with the exception of White Clippard tanks P/N: AVT-PP-41), and
J. Compressors compliant with R68.

TheHolyHades1 27-04-2015 01:27
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Is it worth using these type of fittings when the brass fittings do a good job in serving as a heatsink for the compressors?

BBray_T1296 27-04-2015 01:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1476730)
Does this even pass rule 66 G?
The KOP regulators have the capability of regulating higher pressure than 60PSI if you set them to.

Dunngeon 27-04-2015 01:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHolyHades1 (Post 1476768)
Is it worth using these type of fittings when the brass fittings do a good job in serving as a heatsink for the compressors?
It's not that they serve as a heat sink for the compressor, but that they dissipate heat before it melts the tubing. In any case, weightloss anywhere on the robot is very good, and you won't melt tubing on a competition bot because of the short run times

So yes, if both components are legal then it's worth it to us (and many others)


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