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Yamin 29-04-2015 20:09

Possibility for 2016 Game
 
This year in the reveal video FIRST seemed to lean to how much they wanted people to not only use pool noodles but to pick them up with the robots. In this season I personally did not see a single robot do this and I would not be surprised if this made Dean a bit disappointed. So I am thinking for the 2016 game he may try and reuse the pool noodles and make the game more focused on them. Thoughts?

MaGiC_PiKaChU 29-04-2015 20:18

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I would be surprised... Did you notice how they break up so easily? Would make such a huge mess on the field, and they would have to replace them more often
:deadhorse:

Edit: I think Football would make a great game

smart1 29-04-2015 20:20

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Shooting noodles into goals.

theCADguy 29-04-2015 20:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smart1 (Post 1478693)
Shooting noodles into goals.

And the end game will involve climbing a tote pyramid.

Scott Kozutsky 29-04-2015 20:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theCADguy (Post 1478694)
And the end game will involve climbing a tote pyramid.

Balancing on a tote pyramid.

Jacob4564 29-04-2015 21:34

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Ultimate assist played on Lunacy flooring with bridges and towers

MaGiC_PiKaChU 29-04-2015 22:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob4564 (Post 1478726)
Ultimate assist played on Lunacy flooring with bridges and towers

with minibots placing coop totes

carpedav000 29-04-2015 22:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1478691)
I think Football would make a great game

I would imagine that being an FRC-sized version of the 09-10 FTC game, HotShot.

MaGiC_PiKaChU 29-04-2015 22:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1478745)
I would imagine that being an FRC-sized version of the 09-10 FTC game, HotShot.

i was imagining more of a rebound rumble with footballs and a different end game

Koko Ed 29-04-2015 22:43

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In response to the glaring lack of interaction (aka violence) in this year's game FIRST will bring back violence and then some by having robots be the goal/target and score as many hit points as possible on opposing robots. Bonus points for making hard contact dents with bumper to bumper interaction. There will even be an endgame where teams deploy drones to attack drive teams with Nerf darts. Human players armed with baseball bat will stand ready to swat marauding drones from the sky.

Jorge Ayala 29-04-2015 23:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1478751)
In response to the glaring lack of interaction (aka violence) in this year's game FIRST will bring back violence and then some by having robots be the goal/target and score as many hit points as possible on opposing robots. Bonus points for making hard contact dents with bumper to bumper interaction. There will even be an endgame where teams deploy drones to attack drive teams with Nerf darts. Human players armed with baseball bat will stand ready to swat marauding drones from the sky.

BEST. GAME. EVER.

BBray_T1296 30-04-2015 01:53

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Let me guess:

Hockey Game
Football Game
Water Game
:rolleyes:

pntbll1313 30-04-2015 09:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamin (Post 1478688)
they wanted people to not only use pool noodles but to pick them up with the robots. In this season I personally did not see a single robot do this

Here's a match video of 5143 doing that. Unfortunately we had to run off with the RC at the last moment before they put the litter in, but it's still cool to watch :)

mac 30-04-2015 09:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamin (Post 1478688)
This year in the reveal video FIRST seemed to lean to how much they wanted people to not only use pool noodles but to pick them up with the robots. In this season I personally did not see a single robot do this and I would not be surprised if this made Dean a bit disappointed. So I am thinking for the 2016 game he may try and reuse the pool noodles and make the game more focused on them. Thoughts?

I believe that next years game is all ready in the bank vault. They are 2 years ahead in design. Mentor Mac

Shrub 30-04-2015 09:51

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Oh man, my favorite kind of thread.

I think its going to be every game played in the history of FIRST combined. Get ready for 30 minute matches.

dpbuttram 30-04-2015 11:18

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Hovercraft. And they must be maneuvered through a figure-eight race course with an elevated ramp on one section so the robots must jump the gap. Bonus points will be awarded if you drive through a human station and add various size weights between laps.

Yamin 30-04-2015 11:24

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They may add more action which I personally would love to see however something that would be hilarious is having to catch hollow Frisbees on pool noodles

Loose Screw 30-04-2015 12:27

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2011 was the 20th anniversary of FRC, so they had a FIRST-based game. Scoring the FIRST logo gave you bonus points, and the addition of mini-bots was to try to get FRC teams to work with FTC teams.

2015's game hint showed all the previous games being played, but didn't recycle the games.

Because 2016 will be the 25th anniversary of FRC, a "landmark year", I think we see a combination of previous game elements.

Here's hoping for a 2009 playing field and wheels, playing the 2008 game with 2015 litter, divided in half with 2012 co-op bridges, and 2011 minibots climbing the 2013 pyramid.

What, not a good idea?

chris-isntlame 30-04-2015 12:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamin (Post 1478688)
This year in the reveal video FIRST seemed to lean to how much they wanted people to not only use pool noodles but to pick them up with the robots. In this season I personally did not see a single robot do this and I would not be surprised if this made Dean a bit disappointed. So I am thinking for the 2016 game he may try and reuse the pool noodles and make the game more focused on them. Thoughts?


The pool noodles would be great for a water game

Tim Sharp 30-04-2015 12:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1478751)
In response to the glaring lack of interaction (aka violence) in this year's game FIRST will bring back violence and then some by having robots be the goal/target and score as many hit points as possible on opposing robots. Bonus points for making hard contact dents with bumper to bumper interaction. There will even be an endgame where teams deploy drones to attack drive teams with Nerf darts. Human players armed with baseball bat will stand ready to swat marauding drones from the sky.

I like the way you think.They need to work some old time Lawn Darts in there as well.

Pretzel 30-04-2015 13:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Sharp (Post 1478916)
I like the way you think.They need to work some old time Lawn Darts in there as well.

Before the drones are deployed, human players may lob Lawn Darts at opposing robots in an attempt to disable them. Point values are assigned as follows:

Damaged mechanism: 10 points
Damaged drivetrain: 20 points
Damaged motor: 30 points
Damaged motor controller: 40 points
Damaged RoboRIO: 50 points
Damaged battery: 50 points and a $75 clean-up fine for the damaged team

In addition, teams are given a five minute period after the end of the match to repair as much damage as they can. You earn the same points for fixing something as you would for damaging it. This provides incentives for elite teams to cripple themselves in a match, evening out the playing field during the course of play.

tmpoles 30-04-2015 14:36

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Recycle rush under water and the pool noodles have to be used for robot buoyancy.

MaGiC_PiKaChU 30-04-2015 14:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tmpoles (Post 1478964)
Recycle rush under water and the pool noodles have to be used for robot buoyancy.

If someone could calculate the number of pool noodles required to keep 120 pounds of aluminum at the surface, i'd be so happy

Louis_ 30-04-2015 15:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1478968)
If someone could calculate the number of pool noodles required to keep 120 pounds of aluminum at the surface, i'd be so happy

cylinder=pi(r)(r)(length)or 22/7 X 4.445cm X 4.445cm X 30.48cm = 1892.7cc or 1.89L

1.89kg X 2.2=4.16 lbs

1 foot of 3.5" diameter pool noodle should float about a 4lb piece of metal on top of the noodle.

120/4=30. So about 30 1 foot long 3.5" diameter pool noodles.

MaGiC_PiKaChU 30-04-2015 15:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis_ (Post 1478974)
cylinder=pi(r)(r)(length)or 22/7 X 4.445cm X 4.445cm X 30.48cm = 1892.7cc or 1.89L

1.89kg X 2.2=4.16 lbs

1 foot of 3.5" diameter pool noodle should float about a 4lb piece of metal on top of the noodle.

120/4=30. So about 30 1 foot long 3.5" diameter pool noodles.

That was hella fast

Louis_ 30-04-2015 15:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1478987)
That was hella fast

May of copied that off a website :rolleyes:

Eric Scheuing 30-04-2015 16:33

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Did anybody else notice the tetras in the background during the reveal? I bet it'll be Triple Play 2: Robotic Boogaloo.

dmorewood 30-04-2015 16:45

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FIRST games in recent years have followed the FTC game the year prior. I'm expecting us to see a lot of small balls on the field (Tennis or Squash) and a relatively open field. There will be defense, and something to put the balls in. Tote maybe? Also there will be high goals like 2013. This is just a guess, but looking at previous games compared to FTC I'd be surprised if this isn't at least a little accurate.

Matt_Boehm_329 30-04-2015 16:47

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I just want noodles as launch-able game pieces. Preferably requiring them to travel at least 1/2 the field with considerable accuracy.

vladtheimpaled 30-04-2015 17:06

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Given the fact that this year's game had pool noodles, I'm guessing a pool will be part of next years game. The pool noodles were just training for next year's game where you have to pick up pool noodles while inside a pool.

WillNess 30-04-2015 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamin (Post 1478688)
This year in the reveal video FIRST seemed to lean to how much they wanted people to not only use pool noodles but to pick them up with the robots. In this season I personally did not see a single robot do this and I would not be surprised if this made Dean a bit disappointed. So I am thinking for the 2016 game he may try and reuse the pool noodles and make the game more focused on them. Thoughts?

At the Arizona West regional there was a robot that was made to pick up a noodle. It was a box with an arm on top that grabs noodles and that was it.

Dan Petrovic 30-04-2015 17:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dmorewood (Post 1479002)
I'm expecting us to see a lot of small balls on the field (Tennis or Squash) and a relatively open field.

That would actually introduce the very real engineering challenge of having to drive around on the field without having the balls interfere with your drive-train.

It would be especially interesting if they also had ramps or platforms that teams had to climb over.

Loose Screw 30-04-2015 17:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Petrovic (Post 1479013)
That would actually introduce the very real engineering challenge of having to drive around on the field without having the balls interfere with your drive-train.

It would be especially interesting if they also had ramps or platforms that teams had to climb over.

So like FTC 2014-15 Cascade Effect?

Louis_ 30-04-2015 17:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Scheuing (Post 1478997)
Did anybody else notice the tetras in the background during the reveal? I bet it'll be Triple Play 2: Robotic Boogaloo.

We may have tetras but we won't have stacking again.

Zach101 01-05-2015 09:16

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This thread is called "Possibility for 2016 Game"...Yes I think there will be a game in 2016:rolleyes: :D

Yamin 01-05-2015 11:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach101 (Post 1479197)
This thread is called "Possibility for 2016 Game"...Yes I think there will be a game in 2016:rolleyes: :D

Your a genious

Yamin 01-05-2015 11:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Screw (Post 1478895)
2011 was the 20th anniversary of FRC, so they had a FIRST-based game. Scoring the FIRST logo gave you bonus points, and the addition of mini-bots was to try to get FRC teams to work with FTC teams.

2015's game hint showed all the previous games being played, but didn't recycle the games.

Because 2016 will be the 25th anniversary of FRC, a "landmark year", I think we see a combination of previous game elements.

Here's hoping for a 2009 playing field and wheels, playing the 2008 game with 2015 litter, divided in half with 2012 co-op bridges, and 2011 minibots climbing the 2013 pyramid.

What, not a good idea?

You just blew my mind and most likely my team's wallet

GreyingJay 01-05-2015 12:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamin (Post 1479238)
Your a genious

*you're

;)

ImMoMo 19-05-2015 23:12

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2016 Football game would be amazing, it'll make senior year so much fun!

Citrus Dad 20-05-2015 01:44

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Here's the next game. It's part of a campaign by FIRST to teach teenagers how to pick up after themselves.

kyle_hamblett 20-05-2015 08:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1478691)
Edit: I think Football would make a great game

Agreed... I may or may not have already drawn out a football launcher...

MaGiC_PiKaChU 20-05-2015 13:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle_hamblett (Post 1483164)
Agreed... I may or may not have already drawn out a football launcher...

yeah... I didn't either :rolleyes:

Ichlieberoboter 20-05-2015 17:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad (Post 1483142)
Here's the next game. It's part of a campaign by FIRST to teach teenagers how to pick up after themselves.

You know come to think of it, robots would be really bad at folding towels. Ah! So difficult!

Citrus Dad 20-05-2015 20:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichlieberoboter (Post 1483257)
You know come to think of it, robots would be really bad at folding towels. Ah! So difficult!

Yeah, but teenagers are even worse! I can speak from experience!!!;)

MichaelMcQuinn 20-05-2015 21:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad (Post 1483294)
Yeah, but teenagers are even worse! I can speak from experience!!!;)


Folding towels? How about folding two at the same time!:D

Yamin 21-05-2015 07:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vladtheimpaled (Post 1479010)
Given the fact that this year's game had pool noodles, I'm guessing a pool will be part of next years game. The pool noodles were just training for next year's game where you have to pick up pool noodles while inside a pool.

We can only hope XD

TheBoulderite 21-05-2015 10:46

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My personal hope is that they use Recycle Rush++, in which the robots must pick up the pool noodles, and are permitted to use tote cannons. The tote cannons would shoot totes onto the other side of the field and knock down the other alliance's stacks.

chrisfl 21-05-2015 17:46

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Next years game is going to be something involving triangles or 3's. Look at the buttons they give out with each game; Aerial Assist, the button was a circle, there was a large circular ball. Recycle rush, the button is a square, there were squarish boxes that we had to stack. FIRST probably wants to have next years button be a triangle to make the first logo with all 3 buttons. This means that the game piece will be something with a triangle. If it is FIRST's 25 anniversary in 2016 and they want to use old game pieces then maybe they want to replay Triple Play or make a triangle game.

Rman1923 21-05-2015 19:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1478751)
In response to the glaring lack of interaction (aka violence) in this year's game FIRST will bring back violence and then some by having robots be the goal/target and score as many hit points as possible on opposing robots. Bonus points for making hard contact dents with bumper to bumper interaction. There will even be an endgame where teams deploy drones to attack drive teams with Nerf darts. Human players armed with baseball bat will stand ready to swat marauding drones from the sky.

A.K.A, Aerial Assault (with slightly more excitement)

DrewMatic 24-05-2015 09:02

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One game that I would love to do in the next few years would be golf :) I am not so sure if it would work well...

BenGuy 24-05-2015 09:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1478751)
In response to the glaring lack of interaction (aka violence) in this year's game FIRST will bring back violence and then some by having robots be the goal/target and score as many hit points as possible on opposing robots. Bonus points for making hard contact dents with bumper to bumper interaction. There will even be an endgame where teams deploy drones to attack drive teams with Nerf darts. Human players armed with baseball bat will stand ready to swat marauding drones from the sky.

YES!!!!!!!! Best game ever, I'm so in! I think that FIRST will go back to an offense / defense game though next year just because of how boring this year's game was to spectate than last year's.

BariSaxGuy 24-05-2015 23:47

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Wheels aren't allowed. You must make a flying robot.

MaGiC_PiKaChU 25-05-2015 00:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BariSaxGuy (Post 1484003)
Wheels aren't allowed. You must make a flying robot.

I've seen a team at Montreal back in 2013 that was on wooden blocks... they only climbed the pyramid, so no need for wheels! :eek:

MDWay 27-05-2015 15:28

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The PE teacher in me is hoping for robotics dodgeball.

Dodge
Duck
Dip
Dive
and Dodge...
with robots.

MDWay 28-05-2015 13:13

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On that happy note, I may have my in-class robotics challenge for next year.

GeeTwo 29-05-2015 08:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MDWay (Post 1484424)
The PE teacher in me is hoping for robotics dodgeball.

Dodge
Duck
Dip
Dive
and Dodge...
with robots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDWay (Post 1484612)
On that happy note, I may have my in-class robotics challenge for next year.

To simulate dodgeball, you will also need to have minimum size requirements in each dimension at specified heights. Otherwise, you'll get two-dimensional robots that are almost impossible to hit from the thin side.

MDWay 29-05-2015 14:41

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Or require robots to display a KOP included target in all four directions in an unobstructed way. Make that worth more points than the robot frame itself. This could also encourage more vision tracking systems and first-person onboard cameras.

This challenge could also include points awarded for catching balls that hit you before they hit the floor, in true dodgeball form.

I find that idea intriguing if only because it turns the robots into the targets.

Robert Cawthon 10-06-2015 16:56

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How about a game of 8 ball? Pool is about as close to a water game as we will likely get. :yikes:

BenGuy 25-06-2015 12:34

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Definitely going to be FRC Battlebots next year

GeeTwo 25-06-2015 13:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenGuy (Post 1487981)
Definitely going to be FRC Battlebots next year

Not while Woodie's with FIRST. I suspect he preferred Recycle Rush to Aerial Assault because there were fewer opportunities for kinetic attacks.

ENIAC 10-07-2015 12:15

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I remember during the 2011 lead-up I was very excited with all of the speculation involving trains. I had it in my head that the game was going to be one where there was no steering, all robots were on rails (think roller coaster track) and there would be heavy focus on object manipulation. Every year since, I have hoped for a game involving trains, if only for the sheer largely-impractical glory of it.

Michael Hill 10-07-2015 15:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1478691)
I would be surprised... Did you notice how they break up so easily? Would make such a huge mess on the field, and they would have to replace them more often
:deadhorse:

Edit: I think Football would make a great game

Footballs are the new water game.

MikLast 10-07-2015 15:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ENIAC (Post 1489567)
I remember during the 2011 lead-up I was very excited with all of the speculation involving trains. I had it in my head that the game was going to be one where there was no steering, all robots were on rails (think roller coaster track) and there would be heavy focus on object manipulation. Every year since, I have hoped for a game involving trains, if only for the sheer largely-impractical glory of it.

All my years of learning about model trains would be perfect for this.

MoistRobot 10-07-2015 16:01

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I'm still holding out for skee ball with bowling balls of different (hidden) weights with a ball balancing aspect for the end game.

Daniel_LaFleur 10-07-2015 19:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MoistRobot (Post 1489606)
I'm still holding out for skee ball with bowling balls of different (hidden) weights with a ball balancing aspect for the end game.

I'm waiting for a hovercraft game with Ping-Pong balls as the game piece.

Jacob Bendicksen 10-07-2015 23:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MDWay (Post 1484876)
Or require robots to display a KOP included target in all four directions in an unobstructed way. Make that worth more points than the robot frame itself. This could also encourage more vision tracking systems and first-person onboard cameras.

This challenge could also include points awarded for catching balls that hit you before they hit the floor, in true dodgeball form.

I find that idea intriguing if only because it turns the robots into the targets.

I really like this idea. Vaguely like Lunacy, but less stupid :D

This would also help with the lack of emphasis on good programming that's been discussed in other threads recently.

E Dawg 11-07-2015 13:12

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I speculate the game will have something to do with this game being the 25th anniversary. Maize Craze reboot with Roombas instead of corn?

But seriously, I think there will be references to some (or all!) past games.

carpedav000 11-07-2015 13:14

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I think ball game with 2007-esque end game.

TheBoulderite 11-07-2015 13:45

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Whatever the next game is, I think Dean should get the guys from BattleBots to do a show just before Einsteins.

logank013 11-07-2015 13:52

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The last 2 years reused similar game pieces

2nd yoga ball game in 2014
2nd tote game (totes were slightly different) in 2015
Can we see Frisbees or Soccer Balls in the next years?

carpedav000 11-07-2015 14:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1489701)
The last 2 years reused similar game pieces

2nd yoga ball game in 2014
2nd tote game (totes were slightly different) in 2015
Can we see Frisbees or Soccer Balls in the next years?

Hmm... 2014 uses game peices from 2008, 2015 uses game peices from 2003. If you continue the pattern, 2016 (IN THEORY will re-use game peices from 1998- Ladder Logic

logank013 11-07-2015 15:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1489703)
Hmm... 2014 uses game peices from 2008, 2015 uses game peices from 2003. If you continue the pattern, 2016 (IN THEORY will re-use game peices from 1998- Ladder Logic

Haha. What happens after 2017 where they use game peices from 1993. There was no game in 1988. I guess it would rebound and come back. lol

toppestK3K 24-07-2015 12:43

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Going back to the topic at hand, most of previous year's games that were interesting to watch were somewhat based off of real sports, such as basketball or soccer. The game has to be both feasible for rookie teams and a challenge for the heavyweights, and by basing it off a real life sport, which also have to be interesting on both a casual and professional level, seems like the most effective strategy for the GDC. When you go through the list of non-contact sports that are popular in the world, volleyball/tennis seems like the next contender for the robot game. It would also likely address some of the concerns about programming not being emphasized enough in FIRST, as many vision tracking robots are likely to be seen at comps if this happens.

tindleroot 24-07-2015 14:23

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For some reason, I have the odd feeling that FIRST will introduce a programming challenge that is new to FRC this year (i.e. not vision tracking but something equally challenging)

Loose Screw 24-07-2015 15:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tindleroot (Post 1491212)
For some reason, I have the odd feeling that FIRST will introduce a programming challenge that is new to FRC this year (i.e. not vision tracking but something equally challenging)

I remember FTC's Bowled Over game had a thing with magnets in some of the rubber balls, and Ring-it-Up had weighted rings that would give a score multiplier if placed in a different location. Both of these scoring elements went largely unused. These are interesting ideas, but would have to be tested further in FTC to make it into FRC.

Some programming challenges that are common in FRC and FTC are reflective tape and IR beacons. Both of these are used every year now, some more useful than others (who used the reflective tape on the auto totes this year?).

I hope to see more programming challenges in FRC, as there is potential.

GeeTwo 24-07-2015 18:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Screw (Post 1491217)
I remember FTC's Bowled Over game had a thing with magnets in some of the rubber balls, and Ring-it-Up had weighted rings that would give a score multiplier if placed in a different location. Both of these scoring elements went largely unused. These are interesting ideas, but would have to be tested further in FTC to make it into FRC.

Why would a game element have to be tested in FTC before being introduced into FRC? FTC just came to Louisiana this past year and I have not been involved with it at all, but this sounds backwards to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Screw (Post 1491217)
Some programming challenges that are common in FRC and FTC are reflective tape and IR beacons. Both of these are used every year now, some more useful than others (who used the reflective tape on the auto totes this year?).

The reflective tape on the yellow totes would only be useful for a robot that picked up the totes from the long side, and that was interested in maneuvering around the RCs to get to them. The vast majority of teams picked up from the short side this year, and it was more useful to pick one or more of them up, and much easier to just knock the RC aside than to maneuver around them, then go to the long end of the tote (or rotate the tote). Reflective tape is much more likely to be used for goals and objects which are far away and which the robot must drive towards from a distance or launch a projectile into.

fargus111111111 26-07-2015 08:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1478691)
I would be surprised... Did you notice how they break up so easily? Would make such a huge mess on the field, and they would have to replace them more often
:deadhorse:

Edit: I think Football would make a great game

while the pool noodles could and did get shredded, the foam balls that FIRST has used time and time again also shred nicely in shooters, especially high power, sudden acceleration shooters. We use our B-Ball shooter for demos and always leave a rather large pile of orange dust.

bsaleh03 28-07-2015 00:37

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Dont want to sound like a heckler, but are you just pulling ideas out of the blue, or is there actual evidence? From the way i see it, FRC makes sure that every game is a surprise, and everything can change. While i am extremely ecstatic about robotics 2016, i dont think we'll get anywhere with random guesses.

EricH 28-07-2015 01:09

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Originally Posted by bsaleh03 (Post 1491542)
Dont want to sound like a heckler, but are you just pulling ideas out of the blue, or is there actual evidence? From the way i see it, FRC makes sure that every game is a surprise, and everything can change. While i am extremely ecstatic about robotics 2016, i dont think we'll get anywhere with random guesses.

You obviously haven't been on CD very long. Trust me. It only gets worse from here.

I'll make this short: As soon as the season is over and the offseasons begin, various people start spreading rumors and speculating with absolutely no basis in fact on what the next game will be. Happens every year, regular as clockwork (though some folks try to start it early...).

Every now and again, Frank (the Director of FRC) will drop "non-hints" in the FRC blog (such as the fact that he knows what the game is), which fuel said rumors and speculations.

'Long about registration, someone asks when the hint will come out (answer: sometime in December by tradition). The hint is the official "guess the game, good luck" red herring. If we're (un)lucky, we get more than one. But until Kickoff, nobody* knows what the game will be.


*Unless you count the GDC and whoever has to build field elements--but if you can actually pry it out of them early, they won't be doing that for very long.

Loose Screw 28-07-2015 08:11

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Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1491227)
Why would a game element have to be tested in FTC before being introduced into FRC? FTC just came to Louisiana this past year and I have not been involved with it at all, but this sounds backwards to me.



The reflective tape on the yellow totes would only be useful for a robot that picked up the totes from the long side, and that was interested in maneuvering around the RCs to get to them. The vast majority of teams picked up from the short side this year, and it was more useful to pick one or more of them up, and much easier to just knock the RC aside than to maneuver around them, then go to the long end of the tote (or rotate the tote). Reflective tape is much more likely to be used for goals and objects which are far away and which the robot must drive towards from a distance or launch a projectile into.

FTC games usually have more scoring options so they can try new things. They can add in a weighted ring bonus or magnetic ball if there already is a solid way to earn points. If teams used those elements for a competitive advantage and won with them, I'm sure we would see that carry over to FRC. They could have easily weighted a few of the landfill totes to offer a bonus like Ring-it-Up did.

To look at the amount of scoring options, compare Cascade Effect to Recycle Rush. Cascade Effect had the most autonomous options I have ever seen in a game. You earned points for moving down a ramp, placing a ball in one or two rolling goals, moving 1-3 rolling goals into your zone, placing a ball in the center goal, and knocking over the kickstand. Recycle Rush you earned points for moving all three robots to the auto zone, moving three RCs to the auto zone, moving all three auto totes into the zone, and stacking all three auto totes in the zone.

For scoring in general, FRC usually focuses on one element where FTC offers multiple objectives. Recycle Rush was entirely dependent on stacking totes. There were teams that specialized in capping, but they couldn't do much if they didn't have a stack to cap. Aeriel Assist was entierly scoring a ball. Ultimate Ascent had two options, Frisbees and pyramid. Cascade Effect had scoring balls into tubes and pushing goals around. Block Party had scoring blocks into a teeter-totter, spinning a crank shaft, and lifting your robot off the ground. Ring-it-Up had a tic-tac-toe peg score board to place rings, weighted rings for a score multiplyer, and lifting your partner up.
FTC has been sort of a "testing grounds" for FRC. Some examples of this include an extra partner for finals and using two fields (MSC 2015).

When it comes to autonomous features, IR beacons have been used in FTC the last few years just as reflective tape has been used in FRC. Both are staples in each game, some years being more useful than others. This year Recycle Rush had the weakest use of reflective tape. The totes started in a set position, so teams used that in their programming. Teams would have used the tape more if the totes were in random places.

I hope I have answered your concerns.

tindleroot 28-07-2015 10:46

Re: Possibility for 2016 Game
 
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Originally Posted by Loose Screw (Post 1491554)
FTC has been sort of a "testing grounds" for FRC.

I see it as a two-way street. FTC and FRC have both incorporated elements of each other. For example, Ring it Up shows obvious analogies to FRC Triple Play (Tic Tac Toe bonuses) and Logomotion (rings on pegs) and FTC Cascade effect brings back the moving goals that were popular in FRC in 2001, 2002, and 2004. Of course, the games have differences, but FTC is not just a testing ground for FRC, FTC also uses elements that have been proven by FRC.

Loose Screw 28-07-2015 10:59

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Originally Posted by tindleroot (Post 1491573)
I see it as a two-way street. FTC and FRC have both incorporated elements of each other. For example, Ring it Up shows obvious analogies to FRC Triple Play (Tic Tac Toe bonuses) and Logomotion (rings on pegs) and FTC Cascade effect brings back the moving goals that were popular in FRC in 2001, 2002, and 2004. Of course, the games have differences, but FTC is not just a testing ground for FRC, FTC also uses elements that have been proven by FRC.

You're right, I forgot about that side. It does work both ways. I just hope that they learn from Bowled Over and always put a height cap on robots. Could you imagine a FRC robot playing a Bowled Over type game? That would be crazy.

tindleroot 28-07-2015 11:48

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Originally Posted by Loose Screw (Post 1491575)
You're right, I forgot about that side. It does work both ways. I just hope that they learn from Bowled Over and always put a height cap on robots. Could you imagine a FRC robot playing a Bowled Over type game? That would be crazy.

For the lifting aspect, that's called FRC 1999 Double Trouble. For the quickest example I can find, check out this. Floppies (round discs) would score more points at the end of a match based on the height off the ground (sound familiar?)

Matt C 28-07-2015 11:51

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Originally Posted by tindleroot (Post 1491586)
For the lifting aspect, that's called FRC 1999 Double Trouble. For the quickest example I can find, check out this. Floppies (round discs) would score more points at the end of a match based on the height off the ground (sound familiar?)

Yes, I remember the horrors of 10 foot tall robots falling over. :ahh:

tindleroot 28-07-2015 11:56

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Originally Posted by Matt C (Post 1491588)
Yes, I remember the horrors of 10 foot tall robots falling over. :ahh:

Our 15-foot robot fell over a few times in 2005, too.

pmangels17 28-07-2015 12:18

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In the spirit of these types of threads, I haven't read anything in this thread except the first and last pages, but I'd like to pose an idea that I consider original but that somebody mentioned a few pages back. ::rtm::

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Maximillian 04-08-2015 14:10

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Peyton Yeung 04-08-2015 14:43

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I don't think I could play another soccer game again :rolleyes:

EDesbiens 04-08-2015 17:27

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I don't think I could play another soccer game again :rolleyes:

Love that comment :)

MaGiC_PiKaChU 04-08-2015 21:46

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I don't think I could play another soccer game again :rolleyes:

what you did there... i saw that

Christopher149 04-08-2015 22:05

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Originally Posted by Maximillian (Post 1492362)
We can all hope

But the kerning between the A and V is bothering me.

EDesbiens 04-08-2015 22:44

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Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1492401)
But the kerning between the A and V is bothering me.

Same here!

Darkseer54 05-08-2015 09:53

Re: Possibility for 2016 Game
 
I know! Lets play aerial assist again, but with frisbees! ... or totes!

We get to fling the totes across the field, just like everyone wanted to this year! Or we get to try to catch frisbees, which would mean no driving for half the match chasing it, as it would sit still on the ground!


EDIT: Going through old threads someone pointed something out. This year we will have to lift robots as 2007, 2010, and 2013 involved lifting robots as an endgame, so 2016 could continue this pattern.

EDesbiens 05-08-2015 10:54

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That's cool, I hope it's true :)

GeeTwo 06-08-2015 00:43

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Originally Posted by Darkseer54 (Post 1492437)
This year we will have to lift robots as 2007, 2010, and 2013 involved lifting robots as an endgame, so 2016 could continue this pattern.

The pattern appears to go back farther. 2004 (FIRST Frenzy: Raising the Bar) also included robots hanging from a bar. If they do this, it will be the first end game since 2013.

On another note, it appears that the Average Joes (3620) are thinking the next game might be called Laundry Launch.

Noudvanbrunscho 06-08-2015 02:02

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Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1492595)
If they do this, it will be the first end game since 2013.

Pleaaaasee give us an endgame :)

BenGuy 06-08-2015 10:31

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Originally Posted by Yamin (Post 1478688)
This year in the reveal video FIRST seemed to lean to how much they wanted people to not only use pool noodles but to pick them up with the robots. In this season I personally did not see a single robot do this and I would not be surprised if this made Dean a bit disappointed. So I am thinking for the 2016 game he may try and reuse the pool noodles and make the game more focused on them. Thoughts?

They had already planned the 2016 game before 2015 was released, they're always planning for 2 years ahead. So maybe for 2017, but the 2016 game was already decided, so no.

EDesbiens 06-08-2015 10:35

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Originally Posted by BenGuy (Post 1492640)
They had already planned the 2016 game before 2015 was released, they're always planning for 2 years ahead. So maybe for 2017, but the 2016 game was already decided, so no.

So we might get another year without any offensive contact? :(

tindleroot 06-08-2015 12:04

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Originally Posted by EDesbiens (Post 1492645)
So we might get another year without any offensive contact? :(

It all depends. Maybe, maybe not. The 2016 was not finalized during the 2015 season so they may change aspects of the game, but the general ideas and objectives of the game were already planned out well in advance.


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