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asid61 02-05-2015 20:14
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Andrew Lawrence 02-05-2015 20:16
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Very nice. Lightening pattern seems conservative in some places, but that's not a bad thing. The use of a module gear is a nice touch as well. Only question is how will it mount to a frame, but I'm sure I'm just not seeing it.

Your designs are getting a lot better - keep up the great work!

asid61 02-05-2015 21:21
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Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1479532)
Very nice. Lightening pattern seems conservative in some places, but that's not a bad thing. The use of a module gear is a nice touch as well. Only question is how will it mount to a frame, but I'm sure I'm just not seeing it.

Your designs are getting a lot better - keep up the great work!
The standoffs that hold the gearbox together are 10-32 tapped, so you can just screw the plates on. The front view of the gearbox shows these are countersunk, but that's because I wanted a single style of plate to work for both sides (in real life you would just not countersink the front side).
The module gear is because there are no good diametrical pitch gears available.
Thank you!

Also, I forgot to mention that the weight is 1.6lbs as shown, which can be reduced by lightening the 60t gear.

LCJ 02-05-2015 22:46
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Beautiful.
Is the sprocket sandwiched between the planetary gear set and the motor output? It looks like the sprocket's face is being attached straight to the planetary gear plate?

Really, really cool design!

asid61 03-05-2015 01:09
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Originally Posted by LCJ (Post 1479561)
Beautiful.
Is the sprocket sandwiched between the planetary gear set and the motor output? It looks like the sprocket's face is being attached straight to the planetary gear plate?

Really, really cool design!
Pretty much. The sprocket is attached to a custom versahub, which acts as a carrier plate for the planetary gearset and can be shifted into to skip the 3:1 reduction from the sun gear to the carrier plate.

nathannfm 03-05-2015 05:36
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That's not a swerve drive!

But seriously,
Quote:
Originally Posted by LCJ (Post 1479561)
Beautiful.
It really is.
Quote:
Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1479586)
The sprocket is attached to a custom versahub, which acts as a carrier plate for the planetary gearset
I see that part, but I don't see how the sprockets actually attach to the custom versahub, at first I thought the pins that held the planet gears in went all the way through the bolt pattern on the sprocket, but thats not it, so?...

Also, I would recommend these guys for the standoffs between the 2 plates, you can hold them with a wrench which is better than hoping it they don't start spinning after a 1/4 turn of the bolt.

I would also try to include mounting holes for an encoder somewhere, maybe the front face. Remember to think about manufacturing method for the plates, I see the CIM boss is set at 0.750, probably won't fit an actual CIM if you use a water jet...but I have no idea if you're actually planning on making one of these :p

Again, very cool.

asid61 03-05-2015 07:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nathannfm (Post 1479613)
That's not a swerve drive!

But seriously,

It really is.


I see that part, but I don't see how the sprockets actually attach to the custom versahub, at first I thought the pins that held the planet gears in went all the way through the bolt pattern on the sprocket, but thats not it, so?...

Also, I would recommend these guys for the standoffs between the 2 plates, you can hold them with a wrench which is better than hoping it they don't start spinning after a 1/4 turn of the bolt.

I would also try to include mounting holes for an encoder somewhere, maybe the front face. Remember to think about manufacturing method for the plates, I see the CIM boss is set at 0.750, probably won't fit an actual CIM if you use a water jet...but I have no idea if you're actually planning on making one of these :p

Again, very cool.
Thanks for reminding me to put mounting holes for sprockets; I actually forgot about those. Right now there are only holes for the planet gears.
Hex standoffs sound good too. Usually I would just tighten both sides at once, but I guess that's not possible if it's mounted on a face already.
Usually I use 0.752 for cims, but I guess I got lazy there. Generally a plunge with a 3/4" endmill takes it out to just the right size.
Forgot about encoders, and yeah, I'll probably stick those on the front face. Alternatively I could put the encoder in the back and put the shifting part in the front, but it remains to be seen.
The day when we buy a CNC I'm going to be experimenting so much...

MStump 04-05-2015 11:29
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Looks cool! Where would you plan to get your 5" wheels from? The standard ones from Andymark and VEXPro are normally 3.5, 4, 6, or 8. I would definitely be interested to see a solid 5" COTS wheel because that opens up the world to a lot more possible ratios.

bkahl 04-05-2015 11:30
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Originally Posted by MStump (Post 1479841)
Looks cool! Where would you plan to get your 5" wheels from? The standard ones from Andymark and VEXPro are normally 3.5, 4, 6, or 8. I would definitely be interested to see a solid 5" COTS wheel because that opens up the world to a lot more possible ratios.
Colson makes 5" Performa wheels, sold by banebots here:
http://banebots.com/pc/WHB-COLSON/TP2P-506SS-S3

asid61 04-05-2015 19:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MStump (Post 1479841)
Looks cool! Where would you plan to get your 5" wheels from? The standard ones from Andymark and VEXPro are normally 3.5, 4, 6, or 8. I would definitely be interested to see a solid 5" COTS wheel because that opens up the world to a lot more possible ratios.
You can get 5" colsons from robotmarketplace, or banebots as stated above.
Because this doesn't direct drive a wheel from the main shaft (although theoretically you could adapt it to do so) you can place the gearbox in a remote area on one side of your chassis and run 3" or 2.5" wheels.

cad321 04-05-2015 19:32
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How do you plan on getting the ring gear? Do you plan to make it yourself or do you have a source for one that you can purchase?

asid61 04-05-2015 19:49
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Originally Posted by cad321 (Post 1480010)
How do you plan on getting the ring gear? Do you plan to make it yourself or do you have a source for one that you can purchase?
QTC sells part # KSI1-60, which is a 60 tooth 1 Module ring gear. However, it is heavily modified to add mounting holes and remove most of the steel around the enndges.
If you have a CNC it's not too bad of a modification.

MStump 04-05-2015 22:45
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Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1479999)
You can get 5" colsons from robotmarketplace, or banebots as stated above.
Because this doesn't direct drive a wheel from the main shaft (although theoretically you could adapt it to do so) you can place the gearbox in a remote area on one side of your chassis and run 3" or 2.5" wheels.
Cool thanks! Yeah not direct driving any wheels gives you a lot more breathing room for ground clearance for sure.

RyanShoff 04-05-2015 23:36
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Are the two sprockets in the STEP file intentional?

How about getting the output to the end of gear box too?

Any kind of bearings/bushings in the planetary gears? That part reminds me of an Andymark GEM gearbox which brings back bad memories of bag-n-tag day 2013.

nathannfm 05-05-2015 00:06
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Originally Posted by RyanShoff (Post 1480060)
Are the two sprockets in the STEP file intentional?

How about getting the output to the end of gear box too?
I don't think you understand how it is designed to work, the sprockets ARE the output. You would have 2 chains running out of the gearbox to 2 of the 3-4 wheels per side of the robot, which would also have double sprockets on them and be chained to the other wheel or 2.


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