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Duncan Macdonald

06-05-2015 16:06

Movable recycling containers and top robots aren't allowed to grab cans? Here comes the autonomous 6 stacks.

waialua359

06-05-2015 16:16

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Its too bad for teams like ours, who designed can grabbers in auto that grab the two center ones by moving back towards the step. Similar to that of Team 610. Understandable though.

Maximillian

06-05-2015 16:27

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2.3.2 RECYCLING CONTAINERS
There are up to fourteen (14) RECYCLING CONTAINERS on the FIELD at the start of the MATCH. There are four (4) on the STEP and one (1) in each STAGING ZONE. The RECYCLING CONTAINERS located on the STEP are distributed between TOTES as demonstrated in the Figure 2-19 below. Additionally, each ALLIANCE will be given two (2) RECYCLING CONTAINERS to place anywhere on their side of the FIELD, with the exception of the AUTO ZONE.

Do the 2 added recycling containers have to start the match contacting the field or can they be pre-loaded into robots?

DohertyBilly

06-05-2015 17:04

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Originally Posted by Maximillian (Post 1480516)

Do the 2 added recycling containers have to start the match contacting the field or can they be pre-loaded into robots?

Along the lines of this, do the bins have to be righted, or can they be on their side at the start of a match?

Jean Tenca

06-05-2015 17:07

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Once again, I look at the IRI rules for the game and find myself going "I wish the real game had these rules." I wish our team had the funds to apply and travel out there. IRI was one of our greatest experiences. Hopefully there will be good match videos to watch :)

Bennett548

06-05-2015 17:08

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Is contact with the cans on the step transitive through other game pieces?

AdamHeard

06-05-2015 17:10

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Originally Posted by Bennett548 (Post 1480524)

Is contact with the cans on the step transitive through other game pieces?

I would wager that the IRI planning committee is going to make any attempt, in any way, to get the "off limits" containers illegal. I don't see a point in trying to be clever/cute here.

Bennett548

06-05-2015 17:14

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I agree, I want the rule to be clear so we can avoid another arms race.

tindleroot

06-05-2015 18:43

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Originally Posted by Bennett548 (Post 1480526)

I agree, I want the rule to be clear so we can avoid another arms race.

Agreed. Sometimes you just have to lay out the rules to be clear of loopholes. But, in the spirit of the OFFSEASON event, which is for fun, and given the IRI committee stated that they intend to avoid an arms race, I sure hope no one tries to make an overpowered, unsafe canburglar just to compete at IRI.

billylo

06-05-2015 21:26

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We are sad to hear about IRI rule change. :-(

It's been a tough year for 610. Our 4-bin grabber approach was affected quite a bit by rule changes/Q&A clarifications on momentary contacts throughout the season.

I hope you enjoy 610's 4-bin rush one more time on video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_nV7Age3dk

evanperryg

06-05-2015 22:11

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Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1480489)

So they are adding totes to the alliance station, thus buffing corner loaders; but did nothing to change the upside down totes or the step totes in the landfill. That seems a like a bad change to not also add to the landfillers too.

Also, if I am reading the auto bin rules correctly, they just took all the fun out of the bin race. Now its just a track meet.

I think it'll also encourage teams to focus on making the rest of their robot better before IRI. I won't be surprised if we see a couple of teleop can battles when someone misses their auto; I found the teleop can wars much more exciting than a quarter second of flying sticks.

mman1506

06-05-2015 22:22

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Originally Posted by Thad House (Post 1480496)

They can't flip the totes though, at least not without breaking alot of robots. It would move the landfill out 2.2 inches from where it is now. That would break most can grabbers out there. The ones that move forward couldnt move far enough anymore, and the ones with the custom bottom geometry might hit the closer totes now that they are closer to the totes. Flipping the upside down totes has major issues.

What about only flipping the totes on the left side of the field?

Abhishek R

06-05-2015 22:26

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Originally Posted by mman1506 (Post 1480619)

What about only flipping the totes on the left side of the field?

That would mess with some teams in teleop, however I do think if it was optional that would be helpful, on both sides.

BJT	06-05-2015 23:57

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I wonder how much time and effort spent on better canburglars they just saved everyone attending IRI and possibly other off season events?
However, I was kind of looking forward to someone figuring out how to teleport the cans off the step in the first couple milliseconds:)

Lil' Lavery

07-05-2015 09:54

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Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1480624)

That would mess with some teams in teleop, however I do think if it was optional that would be helpful, on both sides.

Having multiple landfill configurations depending on alliance preference would likely make match resets take significantly longer. I would avoid it from a scheduling standpoint.

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