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asid61 24-05-2015 01:28
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1483897)
I had a similar response to reading this.

I would argue that 254's performance at SVR might have been the most dominant robot performance in the history of FRC. I haven't been around long enough to say for sure, but I can't imagine a robot that would be so much better than the competition.

I also don't have the numbers readily available, but I would be willing to bet that 254's OPR from SVR, put on a scale of standard deviation, would be the greatest outlier in FRC of all time.
254's performance this year was lower than the level of 71 in 2002 from what I've seen. I don't know how good 1114 did in 2008, but they would be very hard pressed to beat 254 this year.
I remember at SVR, 254 was able to do coop + 4 canned 6 stacks on their own, at least 3 with noodles. Quals 88, in a match where they were against the 2nd, 4th, and 11th seeds. That tops even 1114 performances, to the point where the OPR of 254 at SVR was 160, whereas 1114 was around 130. And third place was much lower than even 1114.
I feel like 254 could have won on Einstein if various stuff hadn't happened in quarterfinals on Carson.

Bryce2471 24-05-2015 01:39
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1483898)
From what I've seen from people on here and the few videos around, 71 from 2002 is considered the most dominant. Since you say you've been around since 2007, just as I am, you should remember 1114 from 2008. I would place 254's performance this year behind both of those.
If you look at my signature, it can be seen that I was in FLL in 2007, so I was not watching 1114 at that time, but I have seen OPR data that suggests 1114's performance this year was greater that that of 2008. I unfortunately know very little about 71 in 2002, but maybe someone with more experience can chime in about that.
Regardless, My real point was that by no means have 254 "missed their mark a bit" this year.

asid61 24-05-2015 03:01
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1483901)
If you look at my signature, it can be seen that I was in FLL in 2007, so I was not watching 1114 at that time, but I have seen OPR data that suggests 1114's performance this year was greater that that of 2008. I unfortunately know very little about 71 in 2002, but maybe someone with more experience can chime in about that.
Regardless, My real point was that by no means have 254 "missed their mark a bit" this year.
71 used this thing called a "file card drive", which was essentially just digging file cards into the floor to get a lot of traction.
The match started, they would fly forward at high speed, slam into all three trailers/ mobile goals and inch forwards to bring them into their zone for victory.
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKvva_ZCHw
The counter was to move even faster than them and prevent them from latching onto all three to begin with.
See : https://youtu.be/tQP4IsnIAXo?t=1277

Arhowk 24-05-2015 07:25
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
I'm surprised at the low rating for 33... Sure maybe it didn't go far in worlds (hit a bump coming into States that they really never recovered from) but the bot is absolutely gorgeous.

Sperkowsky 24-05-2015 09:21
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1483850)
Every match I watched 254, they were super efficient and consistently made 4 stacks like 148 would. The ramp was a great idea even though it was stolen from 2056 I believe. I thought that they could have been a contender to make it to the semis on Einstein.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelBick (Post 1483852)
I'm not sure there was anybody more consistent at making 4 stacks a match capped than 254, especially considering the fact that they were also doing the co-op
Quote:
Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1483853)
Agreed. I forgot about how they did Co-op too.
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Originally Posted by tindleroot (Post 1483891)
I agreed with this completely...until SVR happened. Since then, 254 has blown me away by their abilities. No team, I repeat, NO TEAM, can score over 200 points BY THEMSELVES as consistently as 254 can. 254, time and time again, has scored 20+42+42+36+36+40=216 (given their opponent completes Co-op), hence their average over 200 at their final events. For them not to make it at LEAST to Einstein semifinals I thought was crazy - until it happened. Regardless, their robot made me "go crazy" after they improved for SVR.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1483896)
I read his post then saw you literally had the same reaction as me.

254 built an Einstein caliber robot this year; like they do most years.
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Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri (Post 1483895)
Huh?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1483897)
I had a similar response to reading this.

I would argue that 254's performance at SVR might have been the most dominant robot performance in the history of FRC. I haven't been around long enough to say for sure, but I can't imagine a robot that would be so much better than the competition.

I also don't have the numbers readily available, but I would be willing to bet that 254's OPR from SVR, put on a scale of standard deviation, would be the greatest outlier in FRC of all time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1483898)
From what I've seen from people on here and the few videos around, 71 from 2002 is considered the most dominant. Since you say you've been around since 2007, just as I am, you should remember 1114 from 2008. I would place 254's performance this year behind both of those.
Quote:
Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1483900)
254's performance this year was lower than the level of 71 in 2002 from what I've seen. I don't know how good 1114 did in 2008, but they would be very hard pressed to beat 254 this year.
I remember at SVR, 254 was able to do coop + 4 canned 6 stacks on their own, at least 3 with noodles. Quals 88, in a match where they were against the 2nd, 4th, and 11th seeds. That tops even 1114 performances, to the point where the OPR of 254 at SVR was 160, whereas 1114 was around 130. And third place was much lower than even 1114.
I feel like 254 could have won on Einstein if various stuff hadn't happened in quarterfinals on Carson.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1483901)
If you look at my signature, it can be seen that I was in FLL in 2007, so I was not watching 1114 at that time, but I have seen OPR data that suggests 1114's performance this year was greater that that of 2008. I unfortunately know very little about 71 in 2002, but maybe someone with more experience can chime in about that.
Regardless, My real point was that by no means have 254 "missed their mark a bit" this year.
Quote:
Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1483906)
71 used this thing called a "file card drive", which was essentially just digging file cards into the floor to get a lot of traction.
The match started, they would fly forward at high speed, slam into all three trailers/ mobile goals and inch forwards to bring them into their zone for victory.
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKvva_ZCHw
The counter was to move even faster than them and prevent them from latching onto all three to begin with.
See : https://youtu.be/tQP4IsnIAXo?t=1277
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhowk (Post 1483910)
I'm surprised at the low rating for 33... Sure maybe it didn't go far in worlds (hit a bump coming into States that they really never recovered from) but the bot is absolutely gorgeous.
forgive me everyone. I was basing my thoughts on their cvr performance. Looking farther their silicon valley performance and worlds performances were much more impressive.

tindleroot 24-05-2015 11:45
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1483901)
If you look at my signature, it can be seen that I was in FLL in 2007, so I was not watching 1114 at that time, but I have seen OPR data that suggests 1114's performance this year was greater that that of 2008. I unfortunately know very little about 71 in 2002, but maybe someone with more experience can chime in about that.
Regardless, My real point was that by no means have 254 "missed their mark a bit" this year.
In addition to asid's response, I was just going to add that 71's robot was dominant in the "unbeatable" fashion (similar to 469 in 2010), since they would win the match if they got all three goals (which they did almost all the time). This year, there was really no match for this, especially since there was no win-loss until finals. The only way a team could really be "unbeatable" this year was if they got ahold of all 4 center bins and made enough stacks. This was stressed all season by CitrusDad and Karthik, among others. Nonetheless, I believe 254 and 1114 were both extremely good this year, and I would equate their performance this year with that of 1114 in 2008. Be careful when you match OPR data between years, since Recycle Rush had higher point matches than Overdrive, simply because of the scoring system of each year.

Cory 24-05-2015 20:12
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1483906)
71 used this thing called a "file card drive", which was essentially just digging file cards into the floor to get a lot of traction.
The match started, they would fly forward at high speed, slam into all three trailers/ mobile goals and inch forwards to bring them into their zone for victory.
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKvva_ZCHw
The counter was to move even faster than them and prevent them from latching onto all three to begin with.
See : https://youtu.be/tQP4IsnIAXo?t=1277
Statistics will never convey how dominant 71 was in 2002, due to the game structure. It was the first "chokehold stragey" and to this day the best implemented chokehold strategy (469 2010 was more beatable, IMO).

It would be foolish to compare our SVR performance this year to 71's 2002 season. One was basically a time trial, the other was flat out domination of the opponent.

Bryce2471 24-05-2015 23:21
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1483972)
Statistics will never convey how dominant 71 was in 2002, due to the game structure. It was the first "chokehold stragey" and to this day the best implemented chokehold strategy (469 2010 was more beatable, IMO).

It would be foolish to compare our SVR performance this year to 71's 2002 season. One was basically a time trial, the other was flat out domination of the opponent.
Thanks for posting. I'm glad that someone who was around at the time could comment on this topic.
I wish I could have witnessed 71 in action.

Happy birthday!

EricH 24-05-2015 23:33
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1483972)
Statistics will never convey how dominant 71 was in 2002, due to the game structure. It was the first "chokehold stragey" and to this day the best implemented chokehold strategy (469 2010 was more beatable, IMO).
Just out of curiosity, who would win, in your opinion, between 71, '02 version, and 71, '97 version? '97 was somewhat of a chokehold, I think--wasn't around but I've heard about it.

yomega55 25-05-2015 00:27
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
2826 - Super clean reliability.
148 - Great specialization
1114 - I love the landfill clearing (and the harpoons too).
987 - Good all-rounder.

lpickett 25-05-2015 14:55
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
1987 was an excellent robot after they worked out the kinks. They were a powerhouse with the right alliance. Of course, I agree 1730 was underrated. We could do a solid 3-tote auto with 3 6-stacks with can and noodle. We also just needed a good alliance to be in the 200's.

I also liked 1114 and 254.

chrisfl 25-05-2015 15:14
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgilbueno (Post 1483465)
1. Why isn't 971 on the list?

They were one of the most creative looking robots of the season as well as very efficient.

2. 1717

Lightest swerve of the season :D ;)

Also loved 1114 and 330. They did well this season like I expected them to.
How light was the swerve modules?

dgilbueno 26-05-2015 15:12
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfl (Post 1484050)
How light was the swerve modules?
about 6lbs with sims about 5.5bls without per module

chrisfl 26-05-2015 16:04
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgilbueno (Post 1484225)
about 6lbs with sims about 5.5bls without per module
I'm drawing one during the offseason and I'm missing the mounting plates and motors but the spinning module is just under 1 pound

AdamHeard 26-05-2015 16:28
Re: Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgilbueno (Post 1484225)
about 6lbs with sims about 5.5bls without per module
Where did you get those .5 lb CIMs? :rolleyes:


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