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wilsonmw04 21-10-2015 21:56

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1501197)
Not really keen on trying to get pushed out of our home event. We already are increasing travel this year.

Agreed on both counts.

TDav540 21-10-2015 22:04

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1501197)
First event. I'd be surprised if we were not the first or second team to register.

Not really keen on trying to get pushed out of our home event. We already are increasing travel this year.

I'm very surprised to see that, especially because it is your "home" event. If it were your second/farther event, it would be more understandable and acceptable. But as is it seems unfair at best.

wilsonmw04 21-10-2015 22:21

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Originally Posted by TDav540 (Post 1501237)
I'm very surprised to see that, especially because it is your "home" event. If it were your second/farther event, it would be more understandable and acceptable. But as is it seems unfair at best.

shouldn't the teams coming from NOVA have been asked/urged to attend one of the 4 events in their area?

mrmummert 22-10-2015 00:07

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I know 1793 (Norview in Norfolk) is one of the wait listed teams for Doswell.
They signed up for Hampton Roads as their home event (as it should be). There are several more that still only list one event (1908 in Eastville, Northhampton High on the Eastern shore, 2107 in Portsmouth, 3168 in Suffolk and 3359 in Portsmouth (who is hosting Hampton roads) I don't know if this is because they haven't registered for a second one or they are wait listed. 388 way out in Grundy hasn't even registered for anything yet. From what i saw at the meeting last season during the VCU regional they weren't too happy about the whole district thing to begin with.

Oddly 1885 is coming to Hampton Roads and the DC event but not Northern Va. which they are hosting at their own school.

Electronica1 22-10-2015 00:12

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Originally Posted by mrmummert (Post 1501249)
Oddly 1885 is coming to Hampton Roads and the DC event but not Northern Va. which they are hosting at their own school.

I know if I was hosting an event, the last thing I would want to do is attempt to host the event while competing at said event.

mrmummert 22-10-2015 00:19

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Originally Posted by Electronica1 (Post 1501251)
I know if I was hosting an event, the last thing I would want to do is attempt to host the event while competing at said event.

Yeah i can see the point of 1885 maybe doing that for that reason....but 1885 is one of the bigger teams. Then again 3359 is hosting and competing at Hampton Roads....BTW there isn't much in the way of food or lodging near Churchland High until you get a few miles from the school so be prepared.

wilsonmw04 22-10-2015 00:32

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Originally Posted by mrmummert (Post 1501253)
Yeah i can see the point of 1885 maybe doing that for that reason....but 1885 is one of the bigger teams. Then again 3359 is hosting and competing at Hampton Roads....BTW there isn't much in the way of food or lodging near Churchland High until you get a few miles from the school so be prepared.

that's the same for Doswell, too.

PayneTrain 22-10-2015 00:39

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Originally Posted by mrmummert (Post 1501253)
Yeah i can see the point of 1885 maybe doing that for that reason....but 1885 is one of the bigger teams. Then again 3359 is hosting and competing at Hampton Roads....BTW there isn't much in the way of food or lodging near Churchland High until you get a few miles from the school so be prepared.

When I was scouting out all the events I think the northern Maryland event was around a half hour to the closest hotel group. EDIT: That's for a district in North Carolina, all CHS Events have hotels around 15 minutes away.

I'm pretty sure 388 will not be competing this year, but I have not heard an up-or-down on that yet.


I've sorta spent tonight trying to guess who is on the waitlist for the event. As much as people may think I enjoy coming off as a knob, I gotta say that even reasonable and kind people would think this is not great.


A team should not be expected/asked to drop out of their home event and therefore be forced into traveling to 2 districts and potentially 2 championship events, just so someone else who didn't make registration a priority only has to travel to 1 or even zero districts. While the term "sacrifice" has been held over my head re: the district system before, this is not exactly what was advertised. It feels even worse knowing that other teams at the same event did not get the same email 422 got, and "gracious professionalism" was used in an effort to coerce us to fix a mistake we cannot afford to fix, be it directly in financing another additional trip or indirectly in damaging the relationships with parents, alumni, school, and sponsors.


I really want to know if other teams at the event got the same message or if a message of this nature has been sent out to other teams in other district systems before this.

P.J. 22-10-2015 01:02

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1501256)
I really want to know if other teams at the event got the same message or if a message of this nature has been sent out to other teams in other district systems before this.

I don't know for sure, as I am no expert by any means, but I don't think many other FIRST in Michigan people will be perusing this thread so I'll toss in my experience. But in my 7 years in a district system I have never heard of a situation like this arising. Especially at a home district, as those are guaranteed spots.

EricH 22-10-2015 01:10

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Originally Posted by P.J. (Post 1501258)
I don't know for sure, as I am no expert by any means, but I don't think many other FIRST in Michigan people will be perusing this thread so I'll toss in my experience. But in my 7 years in a district system I have never heard of a situation like this arising. Especially at a home district, as those are guaranteed spots.

I've heard of it in regionals. Specifically, I've heard that a team that had attended a particular regional as their home regional since it (regional, not team--team predated regional) started was asked to go elsewhere to make room for an out-of-area rookie. I believe space was eventually found, but not at that team's expense. Bear in mind that this information is at minimum second-hand, and not from this year's registration. (I'm also going to note, briefly, that the CLOSEST ROOKIE team to the event, bar nobody, had to register for the second-closest event, a "hotel" event for them, and ended up not competing to my knowledge. That I know from looking at the team lists and being at both events! I don't know why, however.)

Navid Shafa 22-10-2015 01:22

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1501256)
A team should not be expected/asked to drop out of their home event and therefore be forced into traveling to 2 districts and potentially 2 championship events, just so someone else who didn't make registration a priority only has to travel to 1 or even zero districts.

Agreed, wholeheartedly.

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1501256)
While the term "sacrifice" has been held over my head re: the district system before, this is not exactly what was advertised. It feels even worse knowing that other teams at the same event did not get the same email 422 got, and "gracious professionalism" was used in an effort to coerce us to fix a mistake we cannot afford to fix, be it directly in financing another additional trip or indirectly in damaging the relationships with parents, alumni, school, and sponsors.

I've heard Gracious Professionalism used in so many inappropriate scenarios. The usage of it in this situation is neither Gracious or Professional...

notmattlythgoe 22-10-2015 06:18

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1501256)
A team should not be expected/asked to drop out of their home event...

Agreed completely, this is pretty messed up. It makes so much more sense to ask a team that is already travelling to the event to just travel the extra 2 hours to HR than it does to ask a home team to travel the two hours.

DaveL 22-10-2015 06:28

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Originally Posted by DRH2o (Post 1493831)
The sad thing for us down in Southside VA ( The map created shows only one team, but there are are 6 within a ~50 mile radius ) is that we could travel to all events in NC easier than we can get to ANY event in our own district. I have expressed my concern with FIRST. NC wants us also -- just sayin

Keep asking. I don't see why FIRST would not let some small percent of teams to opt out of their district to compete in another district. If FIRST agrees to this, they may require your team to attend the district championship in that selected district.

North Sailor 22-10-2015 07:12

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Originally Posted by Electronica1 (Post 1501251)
I know if I was hosting an event, the last thing I would want to do is attempt to host the event while competing at said event.

I can confirm that this is the reason. As an added bonus we love the teams down in Hampton Roads!

Nate Laverdure 22-10-2015 07:16

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1501256)
I really want to know if other teams at the event got the same message or if a message of this nature has been sent out to other teams in other district systems before this.

You should ask them (whoever sent the email) to do the GP thing and vsponsor your registration fee for the alternate event.


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