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Haha I understsand. He was our FLL coach when Abraham was born, he also took a break then. He is a VERY good coach/mentor.

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9 matches with 68 teams last year
this year should have 9-10 matches

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Setup/reset time is longer this year. May alter how many matches they can get through.

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Bold Predictions:

The alliance with the highest score at IRI will not win the event.

Five alliances will have either the captain or first pick be a landfill specialist.

One in every five qualification matches will leave at least one can on the step after autonomous.

Two alliances will leave the quarterfinals due to a can being dropped from a full stack.

If a team misses one auto (totes or cans) they will not be trusted in half of their remaining matches.

One semifinalist will need to use their backup robot due to mechanical failures.

One alliance will lose because none of the three teams on the field can reliably upright cans.

Top robots will make a capped 6 stack in autonomous from the landfill.

Every alliance will be capable of making 7 tall stacks, but it will only happen in 50% of qualifications and 80% of eliminations.

To advance from quarterfinals: Average of 250
To advance from semifinals: Average of 270

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you still can't make a 7 stack?

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I think he means 7 distinct stacks of 6 totes high.

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Correct, 7 tall stacks= 7 stacks of 5 or 6.

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Your predictions are my favorite so far (you could make them better by changing the "W" and the "F")

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seven.


tell that to the magical looking forward guy... Besides the whole 2826 declining thing, sounds alright to me :D

Top seeds:
1 2826
2 118
3 624
4 1114
5 1023
6 2056
7 1730
8 1756
9 2122
10 67
11 2468

Results:
1 2826 118 1619 (W)
2 624 1114 195 (SF)
3 1023 2056 548 (F)
4 1730 2338 1218 (SF)
5 1756 3130 1640
6 2122 16 330
7 67 1310 233
8 2468 107 1625

2826 gets top seed with their auto and consistent teleop. Picks 118 for their strong landfill abilities and consistent step auto. 1619 stacks a lot. Highest-scoring auto period and highest-scoring teleop period of any alliance.

624 gets second with consistent strong teleop performances and a consistent auto. 1114 has put on their regional pullers and landfills for this alliance. 195 stacks a lot. 1114 goes too ham in semis, putting this high-scoring alliance just behind the third seed.

1023 is ridiculously consistent in everything they do, hitting their 20pt auto every match of the event. 2056 landfills extremely well and runs their step auto. 548 now makes 6-stacks and will perform well with their improvement. The consistency of this alliance will get them to finals, but 2826's auto and 118's greater landfill potential will not allow the 1023 alliance to keep up.

1730 makes 3 6-stacks from feeder with a strong 20pt auto. 2338 runs step auto, uses ramp tethered to 1730 (thanks weight limit) to stack from HP. 1218 landfills. Consistency gets this alliance into semis, but lower scoring potential does not allow them to advance.

1756 returns to their long ramp, running their strong 20pt auto and doing 3 6-stacks out of the feeder. 3130 makes their pullers work for IRI rules, landfilling 2 full stacks consistently. 1640 stacks a lot.

2122 and 16 both have strong can pullers and 20pt autos, but I think 2122 will opt to pull cans while 16 runs their auto. 330 stacks a lot.

67 uses their step auto, with a stronger teleop than they showed at champs. 1310 runs their auto and manages the landfill. 233 stacks a lot.

2468 struggles to form a competitive alliance, as the only captain without either can pullers or a stack auto. 107 resolves their 20pt auto problem with consistency in auto, and stacks out of the feeder. They get lucky, pulling 1625 off the back of the draft, giving them both a landfiller and a strong step auto.

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directions were not clear :P

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"2122 and 16 both have strong can pullers and 20pt autos, but I think 2122 will opt to pull cans while 16 runs their auto. 330 stacks a lot."

Going to have to check with programming team to see when they created our 20 pt auto routine:confused:

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Additionally, 16's 20 point autonomous was not very consistent in Carson. But I could easily see them showing up with a workiing routine. They are the Bomb Squad after all.

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Agreed, given the depth of the field at IRI, I expect to see many teams with post CMP improvements to their robot's performance. I also expect to see at least one match with 8 6-high stacks...with five of them capped and noodled.

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I think that it's possible to have 7 capped since each alliance is guaranteed 7 cans if at least 1 team has 2 can burglars.

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Or 1 claw that can be used twice ;)

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Will 1741 be able to do that at IRI. That would be great to see.

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7 capped should be a fairly frequent occurrence. The distinguishing feature will be how many are noodled given the likely congestion near the hp stations and the presence of ramps.

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Seeing that 1114 and 179 are landfill bots, it would be interesting to see what would happen in that situation. 2826 would just do their own thing off in the corner.

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We did that at Newton in almost every match.

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179 is no longer a landfill robot. They made around 2 six stacks from the feeder at bayou. :)

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Who said our bot is the same as it was at Bayou? :D

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TIL Teams at IRI stack a lot. :P

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It didn't seem that different at fpl :o.

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Might just be me, but I can't get to the link.

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Not just you. Got excited to see upgrades to the swampthing. Instead a broken link :(

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It must be a secret.:D I'm terrified for what they have in store.

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Video for the modifications is in the plans. If it dosnt get made before IRI we will post a working facebook link with the video before the event.

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Kevin,

Grrrrr! We at 3824 never did like those silly noodles!! :cool:

I think we will see a lot less noodle throwing for a couple of reasons. The obvious reason is that we will be putting more of them in cans. 14 cans and 20 noodles - that is only 6 extra noodles. If cans split 7/7 and you are not noodling, you are in trouble. Also, with cans split 7/7 and every other point crucial, throwing a game object that the other team can use to get more points (by pushing them to the landfill) might be a questionable strategy.

Steve

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Very nice....

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Or, there might be more noodles because teams realize that as long as they land where they're supposed to, they're difficult to clear, get in their opponent's way (causing crazy things to happen sometimes), and are worth only two less points/noodle than if they were in cans. Plus, you still have three noodles to throw regardless that can be strategically placed with a good thrower.

If I'm up against an alliance I know I can't beat straight up in finals, and I need a miracle, I'm throwing all my noodles as close to my opponent's ramps and scoring platforms as possible and hoping they falter enough to give me the match.

That probably sounds terrible, and I hate noodles just as much as the next guy, but since they're a part of the game at IRI, I would use that however I can.

And no offense to 3824's robot- you guys have an incredible machine. Noodles screw up everybody.

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oh wow... I thought I saw you guys do that... and I forgot 33... just... oops...

Their auto started pretty rough at Midwest, but they definitely made improvements, whether that be in code or in placement of the robot. I expect the scaling improvements to continue.

predictions version 2:

1 2826 118 1619
2 624 1114 195
3 1023 33 548
4 1730 2056 1640
5 1756 2338 1218
6 2122 3130 330
7 67 1310 233
8 2468 16 107

QF Seeding:
1 624 1114 195
2 2826 118 1619
3 1023 33 548
4 1730 2056 1640
5 1756 2338 1218
6 2468 16 107
7 2122 3130 330
8 67 1310 233

SF Seeding:
1 2826 118 1619
2 1023 33 548
3 624 1114 195
4 1730 2056 1640

Winner: 2826 118 1619

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Let's do some generic picklists with 8 robots each:

Theoretical picklist if I'm a feeder robot:
Theoretical picklist if I'm a landfill robot:
It'll be interesting to see whether the top feeder robots that can't get 1114, 118, 33 or 2056 do first: pick a top tier feeder or the next best landfill.

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I would say next best landfill because most of the feeder robots can put up at least 2 full stacks.

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Well if you look at the next best landfill robots: (1310, 3130, 1756, etc.), they can all make 2 stacks/match, and you're likely to get one of them in the second round. While the next best feeder robots are making 3 stacks/match.

So it depends on whether you believe you can get a good enough landfill machine in the second round, if you need specific attributes (tote stack auto, can grabbers), or if you think you need the consistency at the human player station more.

It also depends on whether teams have good scouting (and I've talked to a number of very good teams who don't have any scouting planned for IRI because they don't have the manpower. :yikes:)

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those teams should glean inspiration from here http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=137681

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You will see a ton of 300+ scores at IRI because they're adding a couple hundred extra points worth of green bins to the field. Virtually every team there can stack and cap, so seeing 7 or even 8 capped six stacks shouldn't be unexpected.

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When did +2 cans equal a couple hundred points? I think we'll definitely see a fair share of 300 point matches, but I'd be willing to say there will be a lot more that fall around 294.

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You mean +4. There have been dozens of matches that totaled more than 200 where at least 4 RCs were used.

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+2 cans plus the all stars of the game can definitely makes 300+ points possible
obv not every match but many and definitely playoffs

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I'm not sure I'm following you. I was under the impression we were talking about individual alliance scores. If you want to group entire match scores, the 300 point mark got broken awhile ago.

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I think DareDad was talking about the whole field but I think I was misunderstanding him also because 4 cans would still be worth only 168 points at most.

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My bad. I was thinking there were 3 additional cans added per side, plus I was exaggerating a bit because the new cans are essentially available without effort.

But as for 300, the "bad" teams at IRI can put up 2 capped six stacks so at an alliance level, 42*6 or 252 is almost a baseline score. Add a 20 to 28 point auton and you're up at 270-280. If an alliance has one robot that can put up a third capped six stack it's over 300.

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In reality you only have 5 cans available to your side easily; the first hurdle will be retrieving more cans from the step.

Many teams who can make 2-3 stacks do so with the already available cans, so even with the ones from the step teams have to manipulate those to whatever orientation they need and then proceed to stacking.

Furthermore, landfill robots are scarce, so often you will find a qualification alliance with three HP loading robots (or possibly vice versa, maybe you get multiple landfillers while there are only 3 stacks worth in the landfill). Such an alliance is limited to how much they can stack as an alliance as well.

I think 300 will definitely be broken multiple times, but I don't think it will be as often as some may think. Combined with the usual IRI factors like new drive teams, robot degradation over the season, etc. it will be a rare but exciting feat when it does happen.

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I predict there will be 7 games that are 300+ points.

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After doing th match, it seems that there are forty some double can burglars at IRI. Getting the two cans on the right every match should be simple. I bet most matches, each side will have 7 cans as long as they lign someone up to get the cans on the right.

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How many single can burglars (I count three so far [1741, 5188, 1720])

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Yeah. I messed that up. There are 26 Double can Burglars and 7 Single Can Burglars.

the 8 singles are 1024, 1720, 1741, and 5188 have consistent 1 step can autos
the 4 not so consistent robots are 5254, 2614, 2337, and 217

1024 is 1 can for IRI rules due to the fact they grab the 2 center cans

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I dont think 1024 is going to be using their burglars.

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I don't see why not. Just take away the right can burglar (since they back up) and run the same auto. Or keep the right can burglar and change the auto, then, they would be able to scoop up the center can the other alliance missed in auto.

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Wait... we're allowed to grab the cans the other alliance misses? The time has come for the 4-bar claw to shine!

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Yes. The left side can ban is only for autonomous mode from what I understand. The rule states "During the Autonomous period, the “Right side” (from the drivers station perspective) Recycle Containers on the step may only be contacted by the alliance facing them. After Autonomous, Recycle Containers remaining on the step are open to either alliance.

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Final pre-IRI predictions- this time with no explanations.

1114-2056-1325-4678 SF
118-624-2468-330 F
33-1625-225-2590 W
2826-1218-1640-4143
1730-1619-3824-125
2338-1023-195-3130 SF
1756-4039-68-1310
1806-2122-16-233

2015 IRI Champions: Killfire Winesis

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With a name like that, you have me convinced.

One issue though: if I'm not mistaken, 2590 is the only chute door stacker on that alliance.

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extra weight= RAMPS!!!!!

because you're right, 3/4 bots prefer landfill, and 1 can't do feeder. it could work as an interesting strategy, though, with either 33 or 1625 clearing most of the landfill, leaving step totes for 225

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That strategy doesn't seem like it would hold up. For starters lets say 33 or 1625 clears most of the landfill (heck the whole landfill even) and makes 3 stacks. Lets say 2590 makes 3 stacks from the feeder station. Why would you waste 225's talents on the step totes? There's not much benefit of having three landfill bots on an alliance of four unless one of them can adapt to feeder station. There's 42 totes to us back there. Using only 18 is just a shame.

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Here is how I would prefer to play this one, if we were lucky enough to be on this alliance:

For autonomous, 33 does their 3-tote, we do our upright can grab. We leave 2 cans in the auto zone, 33 is holding 1, for +8 points. There is also a potential option to have 1625 ready to can grab immediately in teleoperated mode if the other alliance misses a can.

33 is capable of 3 stacks of 6 out of the landfill, so I don't think 4 stacks from the feeder station with a long ramp is unreasonable as a possibility. 1625 also gets a long ramp. 33 gets 4 cans, 1625 gets three, and they both empty the feeder station. They don't have to waste any time can-hunting, since every can is already upright and sitting near the feeder stations. We put up 18-20 totes from the landfill/step, nicely stacked super dense on the very full scoring platforms.

In this scenario, there are 7 cans scored at level 6, 28 auto points, all the feeder station totes scored, and the equivalent or more of all the landfill totes scored. If it doesn't work out, pull us out, have one of the other robots do landfill, and put 2590 on feeder station.

I think the consistent robots with long ramps, active intakes, fast stacking, and lots of practice will go first in the draft, whether they normally play landfill or feeder station. Shout-out to 5254, who implemented this strategy at Midknight Mayhem to make stacks faster than anybody else at the competition.

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We've actually been working on that. After a good bit of drive practice we can put up 2 stacks minimum from both stations and can get closer to 3 on a good run, especially from the right chute door where the platform is close.

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No 548 :ahh:

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125 isn't attending IRI. The list of attending teams for IRI was updated yesterday on the IRI invitation thread.

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Well, that makes for an easy switch :p