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logank013 06-07-2015 20:18

2015 Pre-IRI Event Scouting
 
Hey guys. I made a pre-scouting sheet for the fun of it. As we are closer to the event, I want this database to have its own stream so I can update some data. Some of you may have seen older versions of this on other streams. It includes lots of data! Using Ed Law's (Coach for 2834) Scouting Database and The Blue Alliance, I was able to make this sheet. It includes every team that was invited to IRI with the exceptions of those who declined to come. I will update it if any other teams decline.

I want the most up to date data for teams. I would really like if someone from each team could PM me with update. I already had 1 team PM me with an update. Please PM me or comment in the stream with update. I would like teams to be able to use this if they can't bring a big team for scouting or to use this as a secondary source for scouting.

If you have any suggestions on what to add, just comment in the stream. I will re-upload if I add or edit anything. If I am capable of doing it, I will add whatever suggestions you have. Thanks and enjoy!

Update 7/6/15: All teams that have declined are off of the sheet. Took away off season event data. Not enough off season events have data. I added a section called "visual scouting". It has lots of cool data I think. A lot of the contribution ranks are sort of theoretical and are based on if every team played like they did at worlds, had equal schedules, and have the same drivers. So don't take those ranks super seriously. Some divisions were hard to scout do to little matches on blue alliance so. If you disagree with any of my data or you have data in places that I have no data for that team, please PM me or comment in the stream. Enjoy!

Update 7/6/15 I just formed a google sheets version for updates. I will comment on this stream if I update anything on this sheet. I will still periodically put on excel updates for users like me that enjoy excel more.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

nick4130 06-07-2015 20:31

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where did you find the world rank? do you have a link?
:D

logank013 06-07-2015 20:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nick4130 (Post 1489155)
where did you find the world rank? do you have a link?
:D

Here is the link to Ed Law's scouting data base

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2174

Go to the bottom of his documents (Not the bottom of the page) and download the document that says this "Team_2834 2015_Scouting_Database Championship v2.xlsm" there should be a tab that is labeled "World Rank" I like this database a lot.

Gregor 06-07-2015 20:46

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For something like this google sheets is much better suited, even if you don't allow editing permissions (but you could, and have teams fill in some of their own stuff). You don't have to keep uploading revisions, and we don't have to keep downloading them.

logank013 06-07-2015 21:12

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I added the link for google sheets as well. Here it is again. I have now updated 107's data do to new data.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

logank013 11-07-2015 15:15

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I've added some more info to the first page. This will also be one of the last calls for teams that want to update there info. I want to ask teams on Thursday night certain questions so I'd like this to be near final. Thanks for the data too.

carpedav000 11-07-2015 15:30

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We can use upside-down cans (did it at Newton on one occasion). Does that count as up-righting? And we can cap 6-stacks.

logank013 11-07-2015 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1489715)
We can use upside-down cans (did it at Newton on one occasion). Does that count as up-righting? And we can cap 6-stacks.

No but that does count for your orientation. I will make that edit. Many teams only can use the cans with the top facing up like our team. That's why teams up-righting cans is so important for us. I will make that edit. Thanks

carpedav000 11-07-2015 15:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1489716)
No but that does count for your orientation. I will make that edit. Many teams only can use the cans with the top facing up like our team. That's why teams up-righting cans is so important for us. I will make that edit. Thanks

Thanks for editing. Mind telling me when IRI is? :yikes:

EDIT: What is CCWM?

IndySam 11-07-2015 15:41

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We can upright cans and build a full stack in the landfill.

logank013 11-07-2015 15:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1489717)
Thanks for editing. Mind telling me when IRI is? :yikes:

EDIT: What is CCWM?

Was the IRI date sarcasm? lol. It's the 16th-18th.

CCWM stand for calculated contribution to winning margin. Don't ask me how to calculate it because I have no idea. I believe it is a matrix like OPR. Anyway, it calculates defense and offense but since there was very little defense to play this year, it is still an accurate representation of offense as well. OPR is still probably more accurate than CCWM for this year

logank013 11-07-2015 15:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1489719)
We can upright cans and build a full stack in the landfill.

Sweet. I heard about the landfill from Makeshift robotics. Never knew you were able to do that. I will edit that now.

Edit: You guys still do HP as well right? Thanks

carpedav000 11-07-2015 15:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1489719)
We can upright cans and build a full stack in the landfill.

Wait... you guys are landfill now?

logank013 11-07-2015 20:15

Re: 2015 Pre-IRI Event Scouting
 
Hey Guys. I made this summary sheet. This could be used to use during drafting and alliance selection. I hope this is helpful. I will probably use something similar if we end up a captain or first pick. Here is the link for the google doc.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

Thanks for viewing. If you have any questions about the doc, the abbreviations, or see that I made a mistake, just post in this feed or PM me.

carpedav000 11-07-2015 20:39

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Two questions:
1.) Whats up with the hashtags and money signs and all that?
2.) Why don't all of the teams have their stats completed?

logank013 11-07-2015 20:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1489762)
Two questions:
1.) Whats up with the hashtags and money signs and all that?
2.) Why don't all of the teams have their stats completed?

I have the teams in order of "Contribution (No Auto)" any of the teams with the same symbols have the same contribution points. Any team with a "!" has 126 points. Therefore, I just put it on the top team with that symbol. Should I Fill out everyone's points or should i leave it like i have it? Also, the "X"s and "O"s mean yes to different degrees. Blank Means no

Kevin Leonard 11-07-2015 22:19

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5254 has had an interesting array of autonomous modes this year:
At TVR, they had a 610-style 2-can grabber. At FLR, they had no auto. At championships, they added the single can grabber that they used once or twice.

At MidKnight Mayhem a few weeks back, we tested the three tote autonomous program, which worked 5/5 times attempted in qualifications.

20 is working on can grabbers, and has a 3 tote autonomous routine that has never worked once on the real field (despite a multitude of tests), but works near every time on the practice field (so we'll find out, I guess). We've also been changing our teleop routine completely, making 1-2 capped stacks of 6 noodled instead of 1-2 capped stacks of 5.

I appreciate your desire to rank teams by what they've done consistently rather than by what they've made at maximum, but maybe you should include both their average and maximum.

logank013 11-07-2015 22:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1489775)
5254 has had an interesting array of autonomous modes this year:
At TVR, they had a 610-style 2-can grabber. At FLR, they had no auto. At championships, they added the single can grabber that they used once or twice.

At MidKnight Mayhem a few weeks back, we tested the three tote autonomous program, which worked 5/5 times attempted in qualifications.

20 is working on can grabbers, and has a 3 tote autonomous routine that has never worked once on the real field (despite a multitude of tests), but works near every time on the practice field (so we'll find out, I guess). We've also been changing our teleop routine completely, making 1-2 capped stacks of 6 noodled instead of 1-2 capped stacks of 5.

I appreciate your desire to rank teams by what they've done consistently rather than by what they've made at maximum, but maybe you should include both their average and maximum.

Sorry. I need some clarification. was it team 20 or team 5254 who had the three tote auto work 5 out of 5 times? Thanks

Kevin Leonard 11-07-2015 22:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1489777)
Sorry. I need some clarification. was it team 20 or team 5254 who had the three tote auto work 5 out of 5 times? Thanks

5254. 20 did not attend MidKnight Mayhem. I should have been more clear.

logank013 11-07-2015 22:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1489778)
5254. 20 did not attend MidKnight Mayhem. I should have been more clear.

Haha. No Problem. Thanks for the data

IndySam 11-07-2015 22:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1489722)
Wait... you guys are landfill now?

We can do landfill yes, but we are still primarily a human fed robot. We do two full now pretty easily and even managed a couple of threes in practice today but everything has to go perfectly for threes to happen (from hp.)

logank013 11-07-2015 22:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1489783)
We can do landfill yes, but we are still primarily a human fed robot. We do two full now pretty easily and even managed a couple of threes in practice today but everything has to go perfectly for threes to happen (from hp.)

you do two full stacks from hp? or landfill? or both? Thanks

IndySam 12-07-2015 10:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1489784)
you do two full stacks from hp? or landfill? or both? Thanks

HP, just 1+ from the landfill.

logank013 12-07-2015 10:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1489808)
HP, just 1+ from the landfill.

Ok. Thanks. I'm on mobile so I can't update the Google sheet but, I will update it when I get back to my computer.

carpedav000 12-07-2015 10:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1489783)
We can do landfill yes, but we are still primarily a human fed robot. We do two full now pretty easily and even managed a couple of threes in practice today but everything has to go perfectly for threes to happen (from hp.)

Niiice. I always saw that kind of stacking potential in the 829 machine.

Jim Schaddelee 13-07-2015 11:48

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Team 107 getting ready for IRI

Kevin Leonard 13-07-2015 12:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Schaddelee (Post 1489995)
Team 107 getting ready for IRI

I don't know what this means, but it scares me.

logank013 13-07-2015 12:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Schaddelee (Post 1489995)
Team 107 getting ready for IRI

How long for 6 full stacks? And I wish we had that many totes at our shop. Hahaha.

logank013 13-07-2015 13:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Schaddelee (Post 1489995)
Team 107 getting ready for IRI

How is the half stack auto working out for Elims?

aeastet 13-07-2015 13:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1490005)
How is the half stack auto working out for Elims?

We get our first stack done in about 20 seconds now. It will do well for us.

carpedav000 13-07-2015 14:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aeastet (Post 1490019)
We get our first stack done in about 20 seconds now. It will do well for us.

So what Im hearing is... add 107 to the list of bots that make 4 full stacks?

Jim Schaddelee 13-07-2015 15:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1490000)
I don't know what this means, but it scares me.

look at the yellow totes. that is precision stacking.:)

logank013 13-07-2015 15:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1490021)
So what Im hearing is... add 107 to the list of bots that make 4 full stacks?

I'd say they probably can do 4 stacks maybe in eliminations. Since the yellow totes can be used in eliminations, the basically do there a three totes, 1 can auto with the can on top. Then they already have half a stack in autonomous. So then they just have to add 3 more totes and litter for a full stack.

Jim Schaddelee 13-07-2015 15:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1490005)
How is the half stack auto working out for Elims?

Here is a link to our autonomous. https://youtu.be/kGj0PjfuGgU
with the yellow tote being use as scoring stacks after auton in eliminations
matchs we just grab the 3 yellow totes and add three totes to finish our first stack. I would like to thank team 74 letting us us there space and totes to practice. Good luck to all the teams at IRI . I cant wait.

logank013 13-07-2015 15:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Schaddelee (Post 1490039)
Here is a link to our autonomous. https://youtu.be/kGj0PjfuGgU
with the yellow tote being use as scoring stacks after auton in eliminations
matchs we just grab the 3 yellow totes and add three totes to finish our first stack. I would like to thank team 74 letting us us there space and totes to practice. Good luck to all the teams at IRI . I cant wait.

I see. I don't think you can have a can preloaded so will u have to go get a can and then go back for those 3 totes?

bkahl 13-07-2015 15:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1490042)
I see. I don't think you can have a can preloaded so will u have to go get a can and then go back for those 3 totes?

Can preload is allowed. It is one of the 2 extra cans that alliances are allowed to place ANYWHERE.

Jim Schaddelee 13-07-2015 15:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1490042)
I see. I don't think you can have a can preloaded so will u have to go get a can and then go back for those 3 totes?

Iri rule change, I think it's really going to help team with good 3 tote autons.

logank013 13-07-2015 15:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bkahl (Post 1490045)
Can preload is allowed. It is one of the 2 extra cans that alliances are allowed to place ANYWHERE.

Yeah but I figured anywhere meant anywhere touching th floor... Could you put it on top of a tote? Cuz then any team with a three tote auto can run their 3 tote auto and have half a stack

Kevin Leonard 13-07-2015 15:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1490049)
Yeah but I figured anywhere meant anywhere touching th floor... Could you put it on top of a tote? Cuz then any team with a three tote auto can run their 3 tote auto and have half a stack

Yes.
But only during elims.

logank013 13-07-2015 15:59

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Yeah obviously. But you could still preload that can in if you have a can holder at the top to save you some time. Just not on top of that tote.

Kevin Leonard 13-07-2015 16:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1490052)
Yeah obviously. But you could still preload that can in if you have a can holder at the top to save you some time. Just not on top of that tote.

Why not on top of the tote?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 1480474)
The attached paper contains the 2015 IRI Rule Changes, in the form of a FIRST "Team Update".

To summarize -

The IRI Committee has the benefit of seeing RecycleRUSH in action and seeing the level of play that can be achieved by teams. With this benefit, we are incorporating the rule changes, modification and additions as outlined below.

The intent of the IRI Committee is to minimize the changes to the game and avoid negatively impacting a team / robot / strategy that was implemented to play the game as originally designed, while also increasing the game challenge and level of play for the IRI. Our goals for these changes include: 1) Allow for high scores by minimizing the chance of running out of game pieces; 2) Minimize the number of match outcomes determined in the first second of the match; 3) Don’t invalidate an existing good design or strategy; 4) Keep the event safe; and 5) Don’t start a can-war arms race that encourages teams to invest significant time and resources into an ever-faster device to capture Recycle Containers from the step.
The committee believes the rule changes below meet these goals.

2015 IRI Rule Changes

Each Alliance is allowed 2 extra Recycle Containers, placed on their side of the field, where the Alliance wants. These Containers can be placed anywhere between the guardrails, player station wall and the step, but must be completely out of the Auto Zone. (For example, they can be on a tote, on the carpet, on the scoring platform, on another Recycle container.) The Alliance can also choose to not place these on the field and they will remain out of play for the duration of the match.

6 extra totes per corner (12 per alliance).

Yellow Totes can be used to make regular stacks during Playoffs.

No penalty for yellow totes that cross the step until after co-op has scored.
(Note: Intentionally pushing yellow totes onto the other side before co-op will be a warning, and then a yellow card.)

During the Autonomous period, the "Right side" (from the drivers station perspective) Recycle Containers on the step may only be contacted by the alliance facing them. After Autonomous, Recycle Containers remaining on the step are open to either alliance.

The alliance is allowed to adjust the Yellow Totes and Recycle Containers - as long as they stay within the taped rectangles and in the same "order".

Slightly larger than transport robots can go on / off the field in "play mode" to save time if this can be safely done. The FTA and / or Head Referee may request for teams to return to the transport configuration for safety reasons. All robots must be a able to demonstrate that they can achieve the transport configuration.

A human player may contact with Litter that has entered the field as long as the human player does not cross the field boundary.

+5 pound weight allowance to allow for modifications, repairs, etc.

No inspection - however the FTA or Head Referee may challenge the safety of a device and may request modifications.

Alliance selection draft order is 1-8, 1-8, 8-1. All other alliance selection rules are unchanged.

In PLAYOFFS -
4 team alliances.
All teams on the Alliance do not have to play.
A human player from the 4th team may be a part of the alliance in the match.
The Alliance captain must submit the driver station positions before the match.

Draft order 1-8, 1-8, 8-1

No change to Playoff structure, maximum stack height, noodle use, scoring values.

Emphasis mine.

logank013 13-07-2015 16:09

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Not on top of the tote for qualifications because the yellow totes can't be used for stacks in qualifications.

Kevin Leonard 13-07-2015 16:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1490055)
Not on top of the tote for qualifications because the yellow totes can't be used for stacks in qualifications.

There is no rule preventing this. (Although, sure, I don't see much of a competitive advantage being gleaned from doing this, unless teams wanted to show that they could for some reason.)

logank013 13-07-2015 17:31

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Yes. The rules above say "yellow totes may be used to make regular stacks in playoff" so not in qualifications.

Jim Schaddelee 13-07-2015 18:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1490056)
There is no rule preventing this. (Although, sure, I don't see much of a advantage being gleaned from doing this, unless teams wanted to show that they could for some reason.)

That is a great point and the only reason we posted the video was to show our capability for eliminations.but for us adding the can grabber helps by saving time on our first stack and also helps us on our delivery time when play from the first player station.

Jim Schaddelee 13-07-2015 18:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1490056)
There is no rule preventing this. (Although, sure, I don't see much of a advantage being gleaned from doing this, unless teams wanted to show that they could for some reason.)

That is a great point and the only reason we posted the video was to show our capability for eliminations.but for us adding the can grabber helps by saving time on our first stack and also helps us on our delivery time when play from the first player station.

Abhishek R 13-07-2015 19:56

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We finally made co-op and 2 stacks today!

Edit: from the landfill!

Shifter 15-07-2015 21:53

Re: 2015 Pre-IRI Event Scouting
 
At MakeShift we've had a lot of discussion about the rule changes for IRI and we're excited to see how they play out.

We think it will be important in qualification matches to be capable of contributing three capped six-stacks.

And a twenty-point auto would be nice.

With so many great teams and (likely) access to only seven RC's, playoffs may come down to which alliance can consistently drain the HP of totes.

Looking forward to seeing everyone this weekend!

SoccerTaco 16-07-2015 10:51

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3824 is soooo looking forward to participating in and watching what will surely be some incredible matches at IRI.

For those that are not too familiar with 3824, here is some info about our team / robot.

- #1 seed and winner in 4 of our last 5 regionals. (First overall draft pick in the 5th.)

- For Recycle Rush, #1 seed and winner at both Palmetto and Smoky Mtn. 12th seed on Tesla, on #3 alliance, finalists, one win from playing on Einstein (oh so close!!).

- HP robot. Either side. 3 full 42 point stacks (when our alliance is able to allocate us 3 cans). See any of the videos of the Tesla playoffs, on TBA.

- We can cap a 4 or 5 high stack of totes, with additional totes / container, making it a full 42 point stack.

- We can noodle a can, and drop it off for an alliance partner.

- We do NOT do can grabbing, landfill or 20 point auto.

Summary: We can stay in one of the two HP corners, out of our partner's way, and contribute 3 full stacks.

Good luck to all the teams!


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