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ttldomination 28-03-2016 13:15

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Those explanations were perfect, and I was able to identify the issues and make the fixes in the automated scoring.

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Originally Posted by tindleroot (Post 1564112)
The gaps of missing data that I'm referring to are missing points for mostly district teams (regionals are almost perfect except for a few instances of missed qualification win points). In the "Raw Picks" tab, Column J (District Points) are shown as 0 for all CHS teams except 1262 and 1610. This problem maintains over all of the districts. Some teams also have ranking points missing from one of their two events, such that they are awarded approximately half points for ranking.

For this one, I found an issue in how the district points calculation was being done. Long story short, the calculation was being done at the district level and not the event level, which lead to issues throughout the sheet.

I have made the appropriate fixes to make sure that the district points are being calculated at the event level and then are being rolled up to the district level.


Quote:

Originally Posted by tindleroot (Post 1564112)
Looking further, it appears that many district teams are also missing points for robot awards and high scores. 1024 won two robot awards this year and also had the high score at all three of their district points, so if I'm reading the chart correctly their column K on the raw picks sheet should have 45 points but instead has 0.

The issue is that the district system started handing out awards for teams that had qualified for states, but we were not recognizing that award. This ultimately threw and error and caused the teams' scores to go to 0.

Unfortunately, when new awards flow into the system, they're going to cause some havoc until we go in and assign points for them.

In this case, I have given this "award" 0 points, and the issue should now be fixed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tindleroot (Post 1564112)
That's the best help I can give at identifying the problem. I am really happy that you guys made the system to simplify scoring throughout the season, and I will keep checking it against First Pick's scores (calculated manually by me) to make sure all points are being awarded properly.

I appreciate you keeping track of your score to help keep the automated system honest, and I appreciate everyone's help in ironing out issues in the system.

Let me know if there are any other concerns,
- Sunny G.

EricH 29-03-2016 00:43

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
I'd like to remind everybody that the District Championship drafts are coming up right after Week 5 action (and, in some cases, during that action!). Checking the spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...in8/edit#gid=0, we have...

PNW DCMP on Sunday, 7 PM Eastern
Chesapeake DCMP and Indiana DCMP on Monday, 7 PM Eastern
North Carolina DCMP on Tuesday, 7 PM Eastern

Chesapeake and North Carolina still need draft runners.

Now, here's the catch. I could just randomize the order of each draft, same as usual. But, as has been noted, that tends to not give an even spread. I could base off of the current points--but that's even more annoying. So what I'm going to do instead is:

The first draft (PNW) will be randomized. After that, each subsequent draft will move the list "down" one space. That is, first pick in the first draft is now second pick, second is now third, last pick is now first, etc. The only day we're doing two drafts is on Monday--first draft posted takes the first rotation and second draft posted takes the second. What this does (for this size of league) is that everybody will have one pick in every spot on the list.


As a reminder, CMP drafting will happen once the CMP divisions are released. We'll be starting probably the Friday before the event and draft two drafts/day until we're done. Can't do much without the divisions... Draft order for CMP is in order of regular-season fantasy finish.

ghostmachine360 29-03-2016 01:26

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Why are we literally changing the entire structure of the DCMP drafts now? I'm not going to say that we wouldn't agree to the rule changes, if these had been enacted in the beginning of the season. But, we are a week out from the drafts.

The district drafts were more balanced; as shown here in these threads.
MAR: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140825
NE: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140894
CHS: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140909
PNW: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140889
PCH: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140944
FiM: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140723

We should keep the original setup for 2016, and go by the district rankings. As previously stated in the thread, there's a lot of changes to look forward to in terms of execution and the rules for Fantasy FIRST for 2017, as we continue in the future as a more stable/fun part of the Chief Delphi community.

Sincerely,

Rotten Fruit Alliance

EricH 29-03-2016 01:42

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ghostmachine360 (Post 1564519)
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Why are we literally changing the entire structure of the DCMP drafts now? I'm not going to say that we wouldn't agree to the rule changes, if these had been enacted in the beginning of the season. But, we are a week out from the drafts.

The district drafts were more balanced; as shown here in these threads.
[...]

We should keep the original setup for 2016, and go by the district rankings. As previously stated in the thread, there's a lot of changes to look forward to in terms of execution and the rules for Fantasy FIRST for 2017, as we continue in the future as a more stable/fun part of the Chief Delphi community.

Sincerely,

Rotten Fruit Alliance

Just so RFA is aware, RFA was complaining earlier in the season that the drafts were unbalanced due to randomness, and the DCMP and District drafts being unbalanced hurt players. So I was making a change to address that. Or so I thought.

That being said, we will go by district ranking, as shown in the scoring sheet (BTW, I find that links to external documents need to be reposted every few pages just to keep them handy). Ignore my prior post on that topic.

Navid Shafa 29-03-2016 03:42

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1564520)
Just so RFA is aware, RFA was complaining earlier in the season that the drafts were unbalanced due to randomness, and the DCMP and District drafts being unbalanced hurt players. So I was making a change to address that. Or so I thought.

I'll take responsibility for the post in question: (#86).

I wouldn't say I was complaining, but I was definitely suggesting a different approach to district draft seeding, before said drafts took place. Myself and the others in agreement did not provide a final algorithm or solution at the time. I would be happy to help develop a new approach, based on league feedback in the off-season.

In case anyone is curious, I have similar data to Brennan's on seed order. Ours is not segregated though and includes seed position based on the starting count of FF teams (10), and does not have district drafts separated out (but I could provide that if anyone is interested):

Code:

FF Teams        AVG Draft Seed
Rotten Fruit Alliance        4.5
Falcon                        4.68
OrangeJuice                4.82
Swamp Life                4.89
The ULCAN                4.95
Broconnor                5.17
FIRST Pick                5.26
The Breakfast Company        5.73

Just looking at district drafts alone, we have variations in the team pool size which make weighting the pick order in certain regions difficult. A 1st seed in Michigan, where we draft 48 teams (from a pool of 400) is definitely not the same as a 1st seed in Indiana where we draft 24 teams (from a pool of 54). I did like the concept of adding onto the serpentine for day two of drafts, but I don't think it solves the underlying issue(s).

In case anyone is interested, here's data which shows averages of just district pick positions for each FF team (across the regions). *Note: A 1st seed in a 24 team draft gets pick positions 1, 16, and 17, for an average pick position of ~11.33, the rest of the numbers were derived similarly (as can be seen on the attached sheet).

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(FF Team)(Sum of District Pick Positions)(Average Seeded District Pick Position)
Broconnor                158.17        19.77
Falcon                        158.83        19.85
Swamp Life                159.17        19.90
Rotten Fruit Alliance        159.83        19.98
FIRST Pick                160.50        20.06
OrangeJuice                160.50        20.06
The ULCAN                160.50        20.06
The Breakfast Company        162.50        20.31

I'm hoping the individual tracking of drafts (by TBC, OJ, and RFA), as well as the automated scoring system from this season will help us develop new methods next year.

ghostmachine360 29-03-2016 23:22

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
RFA:

2771 (OUT), 3767 (IN)

EricH 30-03-2016 01:04

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quick-ish note on waivers:

I never got that note from TBC on their priority order (unless most of their picks were already out)--but I think we're good to run some. Navid, have you been handling most of those? There's actually some competition this time around (5818 has 3 claims).

BrennanB 30-03-2016 10:27

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1565058)
Quick-ish note on waivers:

I never got that note from TBC on their priority order (unless most of their picks were already out)--but I think we're good to run some. Navid, have you been handling most of those? There's actually some competition this time around (5818 has 3 claims).

Whoopsies.

Priority has been sent in PM to Eric

Navid Shafa 30-03-2016 11:37

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1565058)
Quick-ish note on waivers:

I never got that note from TBC on their priority order (unless most of their picks were already out)--but I think we're good to run some. Navid, have you been handling most of those? There's actually some competition this time around (5818 has 3 claims).

I am up to date on all free trades, except the most recent from Kyle:
Quote:

Originally Posted by ghostmachine360 (Post 1565033)
RFA:

2771 (OUT), 3767 (IN)

I need to catch up on are all the waivers that expired last night. Here's the list of original claimants. Just let me know who actually got what, and what they are swapping out:

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Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1563743)
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FF Team        OUT        IN        Event
TBC        ?        3802        Hub City
TBC        ?        5818        Idaho
ULCAN        ?        5050        MI
TBC        ?        4639        Lonestar
TBC        ?        4904        SVR
TBC        ?        2352        Lonestar


This was the last stated waiver priority:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1562282)
I believe the new waiver priority should be:

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Waiver Priority:
OrangeJuice
Falcon
Swamp Life
The Breakfast Company
The ULCAN
Broconnor
FIRST Pick
Rotten Fruit Alliance


I processed 48 @ Queen City for Falcon, so Falcon should move to the bottom before handling last night's batch. Other than that, I still need to fill in randoms for all of the Week 4 No-Shows when I get a chance (Thanks Brennan!)...

Randoms to Resolve (Week 4):
Code:

FF        Out        Regional
Falcon        698        Colorado Regional
Swamp        2815        Dallas Regional
Falcon        6233        Dallas Regional
OJ        2789        Dallas Regional
Falcon        5873        Dallas Regional
OJ        5947        Finger Lakes Regional
OJ        2502        Iowa Regional
ULCAN        4762        Iowa Regional
FP        5076        North Bay Regional


EricH 30-03-2016 11:50

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Here's the list:
TBC: 5818 for 5461 (Idaho), 4904 for ???? (SVR), 3802 for 4570 (Hub City), 4639 for ???? (Lone Star), 2352 for ???? (Lone Star)
ULCAN: 5050 for 2851 (Michigan)

Leaves the priority as:
OrangeJuice
SwampLife
Broconnor
First Pick
RFA
Falcon
ULCAN
TBC

Navid Shafa 01-04-2016 01:26

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1565260)
Here's the list:
TBC: 5818 for 5461 (Idaho), 4904 for ???? (SVR), 3802 for 4570 (Hub City), 4639 for ???? (Lone Star), 2352 for ???? (Lone Star)
ULCAN: 5050 for 2851 (Michigan)

Leaves the priority as:
OrangeJuice
SwampLife
Broconnor
First Pick
RFA
Falcon
ULCAN
TBC

I am up to date now on all swaps, excluding the TBC waivers above that need attention, and the Week 4 randoms. I'll try and get to those tomorrow, non-robot life has been busy.

BrennanB 02-04-2016 11:51

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
4639 in, 5416 out (Lone Star)
2352 in, 5427 out (Lone Star)
649 out , 4904 in

EricH 03-04-2016 00:23

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
I really hate to do this to you guys, but PNW DCMP currently only has 7 teams signed up. So, I'm going to bump that one back a day in favor of...

Chesapeake (58 teams) will be run tomorrow, switching positions with PNW. Draft will be up shortly (as in, once I get it set up).

Navid Shafa 03-04-2016 00:24

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1566712)
I really hate to do this to you guys, but PNW DCMP currently only has 7 teams signed up. So, I'm going to bump that one back a day in favor of...

Chesapeake (58 teams) will be run tomorrow, switching positions with PNW. Draft will be up shortly (as in, once I get it set up).

I was literally just typing a post like this one suggesting we swap CHS for PNW, since Auburn is still going on tomorrow...

EricH 03-04-2016 00:32

Re: [FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1566713)
I was literally just typing a post like this one suggesting we swap CHS for PNW, since Auburn is still going on tomorrow...

That would explain it...

In that case, may as well bump PNW to Tuesday for NC, and put NC on Monday. Gives PNW a little more time to fill in enough for a draft.


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