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I have a question about district scoring: according to the rules page given at the start of this thread, scoring for teams in district drafts is the average of their scores for all district events.
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I had to take myself off of the MI draft entirely I have too many conflicts popping up to run it. Hopefully someone else can run it.
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EDIT: After looking through the draft runner sheet, I think I can do this. I'll do it. |
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So with the help of the RFA data base i have begun updating the drafts but while going through them a thought crossed my mind about an update the to the waiver rules:
Lockout Period: If a team has competed at an event the previous week they are given temporary on-waiver status until 2 days following the event. Why the change: In order to avoid a scenario where an unexpected team does exceedingly well at their first (or second) event and someone picks them for all their subsequent events just by being quicker to the keyboard, it will still give priority to the teams at the top of the waiver queue. It isn't a big change and it shouldn't result in much headaches for who ever is running the waiver wire but it makes being at the top of the waiver list still worth while, and makes picking up said teams more fair for the whole league. Just a thought that crossed my mind that we may want to implement. |
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Schedule and other notes:
Enjoy the days off (there are no scheduled drafts until Saturday). That being said, the MI and MAR drafts are both up for picking, should anybody want to do so. So, the basic plan on these two-day, 6-round drafts is that the first day is a normal 3-round day, and the second day reverses the drafting order but maintains the picklists. There's a reason for that "non-random players" button on the draft generator part of the sheet, and this is it. The schedule from now until Kickoff is all district drafting: MI, MAR, PNW, and NE are all 2-day drafts; Chesapeake is likely to be another. North Carolina and Peachtree are single-day. Then we get a day to relax and then it's time to build a robot. A couple of notes as far as "what's next": Waivers remain open for any team that crops up and wasn't in the initial draft; trades are perfectly valid between players if everybody is willing. Further schedule note: We still have a number of drafts to run. However, we don't know the teams attending those events yet. I'm referring, of course, to the DCMP events, which will draft sometime around Week 5-6 of competition, and to the Championship's 8 divisional drafts, which will draft the weekend before Champs if at all possible. This is going to be a little hectic during those draft weekends... |
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Can we send a second pick list for day 2 of the block drafts?
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So I have a late addition to the Swamp Life team: Jeremy Callahan, he will be handling the remainder of Swamp Life's FiM picks.
EDIT: I have finished updating the threads and everything should be up to date, check the threads to make sure you have your appropriate teams EDIT EDIT: Just letting everyone know that 2383 Ninjineers showed up as a team at the Orlando Regional, feel free to put in waiver claims. |
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2383 is on waiver in Orlando. Claims will need to be in by 1/4/16, 8 PM Eastern.
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Team 987 looks to be signed up for Arizona West. OrangeJuice would like to make a claim for them.
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Current priority is: OrangeJuice Broconnor Falcon The Breakfast Company Swamp Life Rotten Fruit Alliance The ULCAN FIRST Pick |
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We will not be making a claim for 2383. Once the waiver claim goes through for 987, we will trade out 3187.
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Well... It's 8 PM Eastern.
So, it's time to reveal that Rotten Fruit Alliance picks up 2383 in Orlando off of waivers. And by virtue of being at the top of the waiver list, Orange Juice picks up 987 in Arizona West. Speaking of Arizona West, Falcon claims 1197 there, replacing 991 (if successful). (OK, so I've got inside info...) Waiver closes 1/7 at 8 PM Eastern. Current waiver priority list: Broconnor Falcon The Breakfast Company Swamp Life The ULCAN FIRST Pick Rotten Fruit Alliance OrangeJuice |
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RFA will bring in 2383 for 2556 at Orlando. I have updated the pick sheet to reflect the new waivers.
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Only two drafts left: Chesapeake Day 2 and Peachtree. And Kickoff is still three days away...
So, what happens after the last drafts? That's easy... Waiting. Waiting for teams to come off of the waitlists (or not). Offering and accepting trades (or not). And waiting for Week 0... After all the waiting comes the drafting of the DCMPs. The good news is that they're spread over two weekends: PNW, Chesapeake, and NC will draft between 4/3 and 4/5, and the rest will draft between 4/10 and 4/12. The bad news is that the teams are really good, and you only get 3. And then comes the week after DCMPs, better known as Championship Division Draft Week (er... OK. Whatever. ;) ) All 8 divisions get drafted, but the drafting order is no longer random... We'll get to that later. |
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Current waiver priority list: Broconnor The Breakfast Company Swamp Life The ULCAN FIRST Pick Rotten Fruit Alliance OrangeJuice Falcon |
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Apologies to an anonymous claimant for making them wait over a day for the posting:
1023 is on waiver in Pittsburgh, with a claim. Claim window closes 1/13 at 8 PM EST. |
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The same District Ranking Method used last year will be implemented this season.
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Usually, we go W-L-T at 2-0-1, then add on ranking points for just the top 15 or 16 teams. (Last year, of course, was an exception.) I'm thinking there are a few ways to go here. 1) W-L-T, + standard rank points for the teams that seed high enough to make elims on their own if the cards line up. 2) RP total, + standard rank points. 3) District Ranking. 4) W-L-T, + District Ranking. 5) RP total, + District Ranking. Of the 5, I'm leaning towards #5, as it gives out the most total points and is the easiest to calculate. OTOH, it'll really bias towards districts and smaller events with their 12+ matches/team. My second option would be #2, due to it being more standard. |
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Trying to use W-L-T as a stand-alone is a poor metric, because most teams may be designing strategies that net them a higher average RP, but net them a lower match score. Trying to use RP is a little better, but it creates an inflation of ranking points (relative to award and elimination points). This inflation may adversely affect Fantasy teams that made databases/picks based on a certain weighting of on-field performance. The fact that District Ranking is normalized and is comparable between events has me leaning this route. Trying to add additional rank points to the district ranking defeats the purpose of normalization IMO. Quote:
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1st seed, 20 points 2nd-3rd seed, 12 points 4th-8th seed, 6 points 9th-12th seed, 3 points 13th-16th seed, 2 points Subject to change based on the game given, naturally. Quote:
The main reason we went to the district ranking in the first place is because FIRST wasn't tracking W-L-T, so we had no way to calculate that. District rank only affects district advancement, which was also the case last year, but we have W-L-T back this year. Remember, we're scoring at events, NOT between them. FIRST doesn't normalize between events. (Except for the district ranking.) The only two times we HAVEN'T used straight W-L-T were 2012 (the bridges were added in) and 2015 (no W-L-T to count). In all other years, it's been W-L-T + rank. That's a big part of why I favor the options without the district ranking--this is, after all, a Traditional league, though being the only league kind of led to that tag being dropped. How about using Option 4? Keep the W-L-T, but swap out the rank bonus points for the district ranking, which gives all the teams points. If we really wanted to, we could assign a negative value to the losses. Quote:
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What's the problem with option 1? You have your standard W/L/T and then extra RP would be reflected in the actual standings.
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OK, we have another waiver claim up:
Anonymous team has claimed 11 in South Florida. This one closes 1/22/16, we'll call it midnight PST. |
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GKC just went from 57 to 58 teams. ;)
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For reference, the current priority list is: Broconnor The Breakfast Company The ULCAN FIRST Pick Rotten Fruit Alliance OrangeJuice Falcon Swamp Life |
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Well, I do believe that I've got some waivers to award.
The Breakfast Company picks up 11 for 2905 in South Florida. And ordinarily I'd let the waivers run for 1986, but when the top of the list makes a claim, there's no point. Broconnor drops 5730 to pick up 1986 in GKC. Current priority list: The ULCAN FIRST Pick Rotten Fruit Alliance OrangeJuice Falcon Swamp Life The Breakfast Company Broconnor |
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OK, folks, as a reminder, we're coming up on competition season. So, we've got a few notes...
--Lists will lock (no trades, unless someone is replacing a no-show) at midnight on Wednesday prior to an event beginning. So, Palmetto locks the day after Bag Day. Week 1 events lock 1 week later. --Scoring: As discussed some time ago, we will be scoring W-L-T, and adding in some ranking points using the District ranking model. And a waiver is up: 842, Las Vegas, closes 2/24 at midnight Eastern. |
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And another waiver just went up: 5817, Orange County. We'll call that the same close time as before.
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Just for reference, can someone list the point values for scoring? I know there's been discussion on the style but it has all been fairly ambiguous as to the actual point values. Thanks.
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I believe the rest is the same as last year? |
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Here's the changes: W-L-T is back at 2-0-1. And we'll use the district ranking for ranking pointage. OK, the waivers... 842 goes to ULCAN 5817 goes to Broconnor for 6220. NEW WAIVER: 1197, San Diego Regional. Falcon claims. If you're missing a team in a locked regional, you'll be assigned a random team during scoring. Waiver Priority: FIRST Pick Rotten Fruit Alliance OrangeJuice Falcon Swamp Life The Breakfast Company The ULCAN Broconnor |
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As for automated Fantasy scoring, RFA is getting close. In the meantime, I'm working on the manual scores for Palmetto, for those curious ;) |
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*Falcon is 4 points short, missed QF finish for 1102 *OJ's team 4013 is 2 points short, missed imagery award *OJ's team 2614 is 10 points short, maybe incorrect elims finish? Code:
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Also, Breakfast Company has claimed 5872 in Bayou off of waivers. I think I forgot to put the close of waivers on 1197 at San Diego--Midnight tomorrow (Tuesday, 3/1). 5872 will close at list lock (midnight of Wednesday, 3/2). |
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I was reminded that as a standard practice, picking up an otherwise-waiver team in the week before the event (defined as "Midnight Saturday night until list lock") doesn't count as waiver. *Checks time for the 1197 claim*--Guess I could have called that as free agent...Oh well, I called it as waiver.
Falcon picks up 1197 for 1159 in San Diego (waiver). There's a trade in GTR-C, too, by RFA (attempted challenge to that did not have priority, on top of that standard practice I'd forgotten about). FIRST Pick Rotten Fruit Alliance OrangeJuice Swamp Life The Breakfast Company The ULCAN Broconnor Falcon One reminder: For any team that is competing in Week 1, there will be a 2-day waiver period on ADDING them to future alliances. Subtractions have no such restriction. The reason behind this is so that "breakout" teams aren't snapped up by quick trigger fingers (or concerted strategies by teams... not that anybody would do that). |
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Folks, for this past week, I've been working on an automated scoring system to help everyone out.
Leveraging the power of pivot tables and a little bit of scripting, the end result is available by clicking here. Just some of the sheets: "ScoreTotal" - Total scores for all teams. "ScoreByEvent" - Score breakdown for all FF teams by the event. "ScoreByWeek" - Score breakdown for all FF teams by the competition week. "Raw Picks" - All picks and points for each FF teams. The rest of the sheets hold raw data, roll ups, and other information needed to power the autoscoring. As of right now, this thing will (should) score regionals and districts and keep it up as the season goes on. If there are any questions/suggestions I can field them here. Additionally, if you poke around and find any errors, let me know and I'll get them ironed out as soon as possible. Thanks, - Sunny G. Edit: As a note, the scoring isn't real-time. The processing for gathering data can be manually kicked off. |
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Has high score been eliminated as a point getter at regionals, cause it is listed under championship but not regionals.
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Also, I have removed the rosters from the drafting schedule sheet, and will now be only updating the Live Scoring Raw Picks sheet. As of right now these rosters are up to date, excluding the pending waiver at Bayou on 5872. Note: Many of the CD threads have not been caught up to reflect all the waivers and trades. |
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*checks time* It's after midnight Eastern, and nobody else has asked for the Bayou team. Looks like TBC is getting a fresh team. Current Waiver Priority FIRST Pick Rotten Fruit Alliance OrangeJuice Swamp Life The ULCAN Broconnor Falcon The Breakfast Company Oh, right, the high score. It's not clearly called out in the rules. High EVENT score it is, then. I'll have to remember to make a note about that. |
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Folks,
Just as a reminder, the automated scoring sheet is available here, and the scores are up-to-date as of 7:39 PM on 3/5. With that being said, I would like to encourage folks to double check the sheet, and please let me know if you find any errors (points missing, missing data, etc.). Thanks, - Sunny G. |
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GTRC: (Automatic) 170, (Us) 165. Update: 4001 only scored 15 award points, not 20 (Creativity). Lake Superior: Good Northern Lights: Good San Diego: (Automatic) 87, (Us) 138. This is probably because of the automated system being outdated. Also, We only have 35 listed for FIM even though 1025 scored 77 points (again probably the outdated-ness), And I have us for 84 in PNW, not 85. I'm not referencing the other districts since they are incomplete. I might have made some mistakes since I'm scoring for the first time. |
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Looking at the issues: With 4001, the automated system is giving them 5 extra points for the highest score. That would make it a total of 20 for Creativity Award and the Highest Score. San Diego, I believe the issue was older data. Automated scoring is showing 138 in San Diego for you guys. FIM, Refreshed data is showing 77 points for you guys. PNW, Refreshed data is showing 85 points for you guys. That should address all the issues. In addition, there was an issue with data formatting impacting the MAR district; thanks to Navid for bringing that to my attention. If there's anything else, please let us know, - Sunny G. |
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ULCAN needs a random at GTRC, 4777 didn't compete and has a 0 score.
Also at San diego with 2504 Fun visuals: ![]() ![]() |
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IIRC, inter-district play counts towards the home district as well. In that case, Falcon, The ULCAN, and OrangeJuice should get points respectively for Indiana's 234, 1501, and 5188 who all played in NC last weekend. Similar for other inter-district teams, if there were any others. This should be reflected in the Automated Scoring sheet as well.
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There was also an issue where some week 6 regionals were not showing up. We've made the fix and now all week 6 regionals should be available. Let us know if there's anything else, - Sunny G. |
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Again there are still some randoms that need to be added
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Edit: Added randoms that needed to be filled for no-shows as suggested: Spoiler for Randoms Filled:
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I'd like to remind folks that if a team competed in an event this last weekend, they're on waiver until tomorrow night if somebody picks them up.
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http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&postcount=248 Discussion started at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&postcount=207. I heard no objections at that time, or when I brought it up last week. |
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RFA -
NC District: 5511 (OUT), 4290 (IN) IN District: 4485 (OUT), 4982 (IN) MAR District: 2729 (OUT), 834 (IN) MI District: 107 (OUT), 4377 (IN) CHS District: 1895 (OUT), 2199 (IN) NE District: 246 (OUT), 4761 (IN) |
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I'd say ONE event is the limit for district teams. I seem to remember that being the ruling either this year or last year. |
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All swaps have been processed, the Live Scoring sheet is up to date.
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More fun visualizations. If you have any suggestions of things you want to see let me know.
Firstly the overall picture: ![]() ![]() Week 2 stats ONLY: ![]() ![]() Districts ONLY: ![]() |
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Also we shouldn't have recieved points from 68 since they played in a regional not a district. :ahh:
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This is the same situation as 27 or 217 competing at Buckeye this weekend. They're competing outside of their district. Appropriately so, 27, 68 and 217 do not get points for FiM based on their performances outside FiM. In addition, 68 could not compete for Chairman's or Engineering Inspiration, as that would require them attending the Indiana District Championship. So they literally could not achieve the same number of points as any other team there, excluding 1701, which is also in the same boat (being from Michigan). 68 should not get FF points for Indiana. We don't allow them to be drafted in Indiana, so they shouldn't get FF points for competing in Indiana. |
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For this season, as noted, district teams playing in district events get their points averaged for all district events (regardless of district location), while district teams playing in regionals get the regional points they earn. Easiest way to sum it up. For next season... we'll figure that out after the season ends. |
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If two alliances are tied for high score, how is that scored? Do all 6 teams receive 5 points?
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I've got a long list of swaps to process, I checked to make sure they are legal. None of these teams competed this weekend and as such shouldn't be waivers. I'll post when these are implemented.
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Rocket City: 4188 (IN), 1706 (OUT)
Free agent, has been two days since competing. PCH: 1683 (OUT), 4910 (IN) Free agent, has been two days since competing. |
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I've gotten behind... Here's more to add to my processing list:
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Submitting some swaps and going to process the 2 new Waterloo requests as well:
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TBC is busy, mroe swaps to process:
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MI: 3688 (IN), 74 (OUT)
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2486 at LVR is a waiver claim. 836 is already picked. Can we put claims in threads instead of here? It's a bit of a pain to have to check here.
Also rule wise. It's kinda crap that the pick stealing strategy has devolved into "wait till they are free agents then pick them" |
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4009 is a waiver claim as well
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Here are the list of swaps I just processed: Code:
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