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One other thing I want to propose is to offer waiver priority to teams at a regional who have one (or more) pick drop out of the regional. In these cases, I think it makes sense that their new pick should be allowed regardless of waiver priority and time before the event, but once an event starts, then their team is replaced with a random. |
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Since FIRST Pick is first in the waiver priority, we are going to use that spot on 4009 at Idaho, trading them out with 3513.
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I think I found a problem with automated scoring right now - if you haven't noticed yet, it appears that the high score points are being awarded to the #1 seed alliance at every event, regardless of who got the actual high scores. This makes the scores at many events incorrect. I've also come across a few cases of missed qualification win scores, particularly at the Arkansas Rock City Regional.
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Looking specifically at Rock City, the 1st seed did actually get the highest score in Q1, Match 1 with a score of 172. However, I looked into a couple of events and noticed some discrepancies. I couldn't even tell you what the actual error was, but I've implemented a fix and updated all events up to date. To help track the highest score a little better, I've added a description column in the RawAwardsData sheet that'll indicate the match and the highest score for which the "award" was granted. Let me know if this makes sense, and please let us know if you guys find any more issues, - Sunny G. |
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MI: 910 (OUT), 858 (IN)
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Swapping no-shows for randoms, as Brennan pointed them out:
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Waiver Priority:The waiver claim for 48 at Queen City is still on the table, posted today by The ULCAN. |
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Visuals for week 3:
We definitely have distict packs forming, RFA solidly in first place, the chase for the remaining spots btwn TBC, FP, Broconnor, and OJ is alive. ![]() Really what set this breakaway is RFA's killer score at Australia. ![]() And of course their current lead in overall district points ![]() District Points over time: ![]() |
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Week 3 specifics:
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Queen City: 4028 (IN), 144 (OUT) South Florida: 2905 (IN), 3556 (IN), 4471 (OUT), 4500 (OUT) Western Canada: 3211 (IN), 5078 (OUT) |
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2522 in 1378 out hawaii
3802 in 4570 out Hub City 4301 in 4799 out Hub city 5818 in 5461 out Idaho 4125 in 5430 out Idaho 5847 in 2709 out Midwest 2393 in 4740 out Smoky Mountain |
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Yes sir.
While we are on waivers, we are also claiming 4639 Lonestar 4904 SVR 167 North Star 2352 Lonestar Priority will be sent to Eric privately later. |
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Just for the sake of clarity, I have sent in a claim for 5050 in FiM.
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Automated scoring is still having quite a bit of trouble with district calculations, it seems. Many, many picks for every team are missing points at one or multiple events for ranking and awards. Qualifications win/loss is almost always correct and eliminations performance is always right. In the case of First Pick, my calculations are bringing us more than 300 points higher than the score listed on the Automated Scoring, and I'm sure every other team has similar situations.
If you go into the "Raw Picks" tab and look at districts, you can see the gaps of missing data. |
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1) When you say "gaps of missing data", what exactly are you referring to? 2) Can you provide an example of picks that are missing awards and eliminations information at events? This'll help me chase down the issues much quicker. Thanks, - Sunny G. |
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Draft order from the 2016 season.
Teams that were kicked/withdrawn from the league were factored out eg. if the draft was 1. Team that got kicked out/withdrew 2. Team that is still in The team bumps up to #1 pick position. Districts aren't included cause it got swapped around. ![]() ![]() Weighted rankings 1st pick = 8 pnts 2nd pick = 7 pnts 3rd pick = 6 pnts ..... .... 8th pick = 1pnts ![]() |
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The 48 claim is good to process (dropping 6084).
The rest should be handled by Tuesday night--there is at least one other claim for 5818 in Idaho that I'm aware of, will advise. And Falcon will put a claim in for 5818 as well (dropping 1566 if successful). |
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Without much more knowledge than educated guesses about how, when, and where you pull data and parse through it, I can't really help trace back the problem, but to me it looks like random teams are missing random points, and these missing points are traced to the ranking points in almost every case. Looking further, it appears that many district teams are also missing points for robot awards and high scores. 1024 won two robot awards this year and also had the high score at all three of their district points, so if I'm reading the chart correctly their column K on the raw picks sheet should have 45 points but instead has 0. That's the best help I can give at identifying the problem. I am really happy that you guys made the system to simplify scoring throughout the season, and I will keep checking it against First Pick's scores (calculated manually by me) to make sure all points are being awarded properly. |
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Those explanations were perfect, and I was able to identify the issues and make the fixes in the automated scoring.
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Unfortunately, when new awards flow into the system, they're going to cause some havoc until we go in and assign points for them. In this case, I have given this "award" 0 points, and the issue should now be fixed. Quote:
Let me know if there are any other concerns, - Sunny G. |
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I'd like to remind everybody that the District Championship drafts are coming up right after Week 5 action (and, in some cases, during that action!). Checking the spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...in8/edit#gid=0, we have...
PNW DCMP on Sunday, 7 PM Eastern Chesapeake DCMP and Indiana DCMP on Monday, 7 PM Eastern North Carolina DCMP on Tuesday, 7 PM Eastern Chesapeake and North Carolina still need draft runners. Now, here's the catch. I could just randomize the order of each draft, same as usual. But, as has been noted, that tends to not give an even spread. I could base off of the current points--but that's even more annoying. So what I'm going to do instead is: The first draft (PNW) will be randomized. After that, each subsequent draft will move the list "down" one space. That is, first pick in the first draft is now second pick, second is now third, last pick is now first, etc. The only day we're doing two drafts is on Monday--first draft posted takes the first rotation and second draft posted takes the second. What this does (for this size of league) is that everybody will have one pick in every spot on the list. As a reminder, CMP drafting will happen once the CMP divisions are released. We'll be starting probably the Friday before the event and draft two drafts/day until we're done. Can't do much without the divisions... Draft order for CMP is in order of regular-season fantasy finish. |
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Why are we literally changing the entire structure of the DCMP drafts now? I'm not going to say that we wouldn't agree to the rule changes, if these had been enacted in the beginning of the season. But, we are a week out from the drafts. The district drafts were more balanced; as shown here in these threads. MAR: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140825 NE: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140894 CHS: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140909 PNW: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140889 PCH: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140944 FiM: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140723 We should keep the original setup for 2016, and go by the district rankings. As previously stated in the thread, there's a lot of changes to look forward to in terms of execution and the rules for Fantasy FIRST for 2017, as we continue in the future as a more stable/fun part of the Chief Delphi community. Sincerely, Rotten Fruit Alliance |
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That being said, we will go by district ranking, as shown in the scoring sheet (BTW, I find that links to external documents need to be reposted every few pages just to keep them handy). Ignore my prior post on that topic. |
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I wouldn't say I was complaining, but I was definitely suggesting a different approach to district draft seeding, before said drafts took place. Myself and the others in agreement did not provide a final algorithm or solution at the time. I would be happy to help develop a new approach, based on league feedback in the off-season. In case anyone is curious, I have similar data to Brennan's on seed order. Ours is not segregated though and includes seed position based on the starting count of FF teams (10), and does not have district drafts separated out (but I could provide that if anyone is interested): Code:
FF Teams AVG Draft SeedIn case anyone is interested, here's data which shows averages of just district pick positions for each FF team (across the regions). *Note: A 1st seed in a 24 team draft gets pick positions 1, 16, and 17, for an average pick position of ~11.33, the rest of the numbers were derived similarly (as can be seen on the attached sheet). Code:
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Quick-ish note on waivers:
I never got that note from TBC on their priority order (unless most of their picks were already out)--but I think we're good to run some. Navid, have you been handling most of those? There's actually some competition this time around (5818 has 3 claims). |
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Here's the list:
TBC: 5818 for 5461 (Idaho), 4904 for ???? (SVR), 3802 for 4570 (Hub City), 4639 for ???? (Lone Star), 2352 for ???? (Lone Star) ULCAN: 5050 for 2851 (Michigan) Leaves the priority as: OrangeJuice SwampLife Broconnor First Pick RFA Falcon ULCAN TBC |
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4639 in, 5416 out (Lone Star)
2352 in, 5427 out (Lone Star) 649 out , 4904 in |
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I really hate to do this to you guys, but PNW DCMP currently only has 7 teams signed up. So, I'm going to bump that one back a day in favor of...
Chesapeake (58 teams) will be run tomorrow, switching positions with PNW. Draft will be up shortly (as in, once I get it set up). |
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In that case, may as well bump PNW to Tuesday for NC, and put NC on Monday. Gives PNW a little more time to fill in enough for a draft. |
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I'm going to have trouble getting one of tomorrow's drafts going on time (if at all), and whether I can run one on Tuesday is dependent on stuff I can't control.
I'm thinking that I'll check on IN's status, and if that looks OK I'll put it up with a note that lists are going to be vastly appreciated over live picks. |
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MI: 3767 (OUT) for 2771 (IN)
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*That being said, the PNW qualified list will probably be very close to accurate. Teams out here don't have to pay an additional registration fee for DCMP (It was covered in initial registration).* I will keep an eye on team lists during the day, and can take a draft if wanted and need be. |
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http://frc-events.firstinspires.org/ Individual Pages Updated: NC PNW I'll throw NC up now, and we can do it tomorrow with PNW then. Feel free to start making picks. |
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I'll put up PNW tomorrow. It'll be a bit late (work schedule changed), probably around a 7:45-8:00 EST start time. That's partly to allow setup time, and partly to allow IN to have a chance to wrap up if it's still going.
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Literally makes no sense to have out of district points count AND be able to swap. |
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So I've been thinking more about proposed changes for next year - should I start a thread to keep it separate from the 2016 season thread?
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PNW will be up shortly, thanks for the (im)patience :p. I'm aiming for a 7:45 Eastern start time. |
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Well, that Team Update put a minor wrench in things...looks like we may need to make some MI DCMP scoring changes given the Octofinals.
Good news: We have some time. |
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http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&postcount=332 We'll just do the same thing, QFs at MSC are 6 points and OFs are 3 points. Only at MSC, mind you. |
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Last year, the "Octofinals" flowed through as regular qualification matches, which may severely complicate things. Let's hope that Octofinals flow through as their own set of playoff matches. - Sunny G. |
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Visuals! (I know i'm slow)
The distinct clumps are definitely forming within the ranks, the battle for world champs draft positioning is on! :ahh: ![]() ![]() New visual for you for highest event score: Leauge high is RFA at Australia with 246. ![]() And here is how districts only are shaking out. Interesting how much larger the %gap is btwn this and overall scores. ![]() Also can we get a final ruling on that 2771 swap Eric? |
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So now we have ourselves a bit of a schedule for the remaining DCMP drafts. Subject to change, of course...
Nobody drafts tomorrow night--giving a little time for the lists to be put together. MI and New England will draft on Monday night (they're done first). I'll take MI, but someone needs to cover New England. MAR drafts on Tuesday. Wednesday sees Peachtree close out the regular-season drafts. Championship drafting: We'll start that on 4/21, running two fields/night. I can cover most of those, but will need some help. If some folks step up, that could be opened up on 4/20 instead. |
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Also MAR draft can't happen til Falcon gets its random for 6216. |
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Waivers are now caught up. Swapping out Week 4/5 No-Shows for randoms is almost done as well (Week 6 and 7 didn't have any). I've swapped out the following:
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Pulled this off excel, if it isn't it I don't have it.
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Thanks guys, here are the last of them:
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Here's the scoop on MI:
I will post the draft order and start time tonight. HOWEVER, only 18 teams are registered. So, I will update the team list tomorrow and post the draft. We should be ready to go by 7, BUT I'll hold the draft until 7:30, and do a final check for teams before then. If, during the draft, you find a team that is registered but not on the draft list list, post with a link to the team's page showing that they're registered--it'll count. If, AFTER the draft, you find a similar team, waivers kick in, closing Wednesday at midnight Eastern. If we don't have enough teams to field a full draft, we'll push back a day or so. I think I can handle two drafts at once if I need to... (famous last words). |
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Peachtree is now up, pending draft tomorrow. With the DCMPs loading in tomorrow night, drafts will lock for trades at midnight Pacific tomorrow night. Enjoy the Week 7 action.
After Week 7's dust settles, we wait... For the division announcements. Each division gets its own draft, and I'll put the championship scores up after DCMPs are done. We'll probably need to do two of them per night, and won't have a lot of margin as far as timing (I figure it'll take about a week to get everybody in and registered and all that). |
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I have updated the live scoring sheet and will do so again after matches finish today. Regular season scoring won't be truly final until Sunny gets to it, just a heads up. |
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There were some problems with the API with the octofinals; Frank Merrick was dealing with it at PCH with Danny, but it should be fixed now, in theory.
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Not a problem, fellas. I don't expect we'll need the finishing order until at least Wednesday (when we'll need it to set up the Championship drafts).
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I've implemented the Octofinalist logic for MSC.
It should be good/correct, but I threw it together quickly at the airport. As such, I'd appreciate if someone could double check the work and make sure the numbers make sense. Thanks, - Sunny G. |
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Before scores are final, Brennan noted today that there are two No-Shows on rosters for the PCH DCMP that need to be swapped for randoms. No random list is posted, do you have it Eric?
Swamp Life: 3635 The ULCAN: 5594 |
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Well, there goes THAT plan.
http://www.firstinspires.org/robotic...ip-lineup-show Given that we won't know divisions until Friday... I think we're going to need some planning. CMP starts Wednesday, but NOBODY wants to draft then. Travel, opening the pits, you get the idea. That leaves Friday right after divisions finish announcing (yeah, right--8:30 Eastern at a guess, with no time for a picklist), Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday (when folks are packing/traveling, so it's lousy). Guess what that means? THREE-A-DAYs.Well... Maybe not. I should going to be able to run a draft every night except maybe Saturday. But, if y'all don't object, I can probably sneak a Saturday afternoon/evening draft in (as in, probably about 5 PM Eastern or a bit before). And, the draft schedule ain't changin'. So other than the times for a Saturday afternoon-ish draft, I can post all the subdivisions I'll be running at once (less team list) and when they'll be active. If someone else can take a draft each day, we should be A-OK. Add to that that I'm fairly confident I can run two drafts at once if need be... So, short version: I'll post 4 draft orders for 4 of the subdivisions later this week. Pick all at once or one at a time, your choice, once the division lists are out. If someone can handle the second draft each day, great; if not, let's hope the posted orders go quickly... |
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TBC would be willing to help run drafts so that we can have all 8 division threads up at once. I feel like that would actually help speed up some of the process. I propose: Code:
Archimedes - Deadline April 23With all drafts going up the 22nd Drafts on the 22nd is bad, and going to the 26th is also bad. |
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I'm comfortable with both concepts, you've got my help either way. Just let me know which drafts you want me to run and when.
RFA will get all our first picks ready to submit shortly after divisions release. This way Broconnor and TBC can jump on with picks ahead of schedule if they like. Having all 8 posted for early drafting would be nice. |
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You know, I like that idea even better.
So, I'll post all 8 drafts up tonight, without teams. (Just to make sure everything's correct as far as order, and have them ready to go.) As soon as we have the teams (or shortly afterwards--I've got a team meeting on Friday at that time), team lists go on, randoms get generated and posted. Miss your slot on the date, get a random so we can move on. I'll be sending a reminder to some folks who seem to have fallen asleep to wake up so we don't have to randomize them... |
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RFA has submitted all 8 of our first picks. Let the madness begin ;)
*Eric, let me know what drafts you need me to run |
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I'm going to get the team lists and random lists into the threads now, which will take *few* minutes... That should allow for full manual drafting if necessary. [Edit] And everything is up, team list, first pick, and the random list. |
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Archimedes and Carson have run; tomorrow brings up Carver, Curie, and Galileo. So far, we've had two picks apiece, maybe three.
Just as a reminder, all drafts are open for selections. If it's your turn, feel free to make a pick. |
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I don't plan to issue any boots, but if certain folks* don't start saying anything, they're auto-randomed going forwards. *Swamp Life, ULCAN, you guys need to pay attention to this one... |
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Last year's CMP point value revisions, to be updated in this year's automated scoring system:
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FF MVP: At the NC DCMP, 3506 scored 125 FF points (Drafted by FIRST Pick) FF Rookie of the Year: At the Montreal Regional, 5910 scored 79 FF points, (Drafted by The Breakfast Company) |
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And the Elgin Clock Award obviously went to the Rotten Fruit Alliance.
Drafting is now complete. Trades will be allowed up until pits close on Wednesday. After that... let the best alliance win, and may your teams be playing against each other on Einstein! |
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Sorry about the delay folks, the automated scoring has been updated for worlds.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1715321681 Please double check my work; let me know of any issues/errors. - Sunny G. |
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So, have we come to a conclusion that the scoring is correct yet? Thanks to Sunny for whipping it up.
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