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asid61 06-08-2015 23:03
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This will make for an interesting experiment.
I thought that a team had to have 20 students signed up to register, but I'm not sure if I just imagined that.

EDesbiens 06-08-2015 23:08
Re: New rookie team
 
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Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1492754)
This will make for an interesting experiment.
I thought that a team had to have 20 students signed up to register, but I'm not sure if I just imagined that.
Hum, either your imagination, either I didn't see that...

EricH 06-08-2015 23:17
Re: New rookie team
 
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Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1492754)
This will make for an interesting experiment.
I thought that a team had to have 20 students signed up to register, but I'm not sure if I just imagined that.
20??? Nope.


There have been ONE TWO FRC teams with one student that I am aware of. However, his circumstances were that the rest of the team basically didn't show up after a certain point in the build, and he kept going. As I recall, the rest of the team kind of showed up for the next year after some "prodding" in the form of hardware from the regional.

EDesbiens 06-08-2015 23:22
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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1492758)
20??? Nope.
Nice! So I'm legual! Yay!

Christopher149 06-08-2015 23:27
Re: New rookie team
 
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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1492758)
20??? Nope.


There has been ONE FRC team with one student that I am aware of. However, his circumstances were that the rest of the team basically didn't show up after a certain point in the build, and he kept going. As I recall, the rest of the team kind of showed up for the next year after some "prodding" in the form of hardware from the regional.
In 2014, 5110 Elks (Elk Rapids, Michigan) was a single girl, her parents, and a friend dragged to the competitions who I think was human player for the team. They won a judge's award that year, and in 2015 were semifinalists then quarterfinalists. (I think the team has more members now, but we weren't at any of their events this year)

EDesbiens 06-08-2015 23:32
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Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1492760)
In 2014, 5110 Elks (Elk Rapids, Michigan) was a single girl, her parents, and a friend dragged to the competitions who I think was human player for the team. They won a judge's award that year, and in 2015 were semifinalists then quarterfinalists. (I think the team has more members now, but we weren't at any of their events this year)
That's cool :) I'm in exactly the same situation (with someone else from another province to assist me)...

EricH 06-08-2015 23:34
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Originally Posted by EDesbiens (Post 1492759)
Nice! So I'm legual! Yay!
You know, there is something I might be wondering if I were you. Seeing as you brought up "legal"...


In the U.S., where FIRST is based, if there is any sort of paperwork that might be needed to be legal (waivers, contracts, etc.), you MUST be of legal adult age in order to sign it (and thus bind yourself by its terms). In the U.S., that legal age is 18 years. (I am not sure what if any such restrictions Canada has.) If for some reason someone under 18 needs to sign said paperwork, usually a parent or guardian is also required to sign it--essentially backing up that the person under 18 will fulfill their part of the paperwork.

Given that you're admitting to being under 18 at this time, and FIRST's usual policies (which I believe include an adult being the one in charge of the team/registering the team), you might consider taking a good solid look at that paperwork again--and, if necessary, getting a responsible adult to sign it. Why, you ask? Because you really don't want to have to deal with any potential fallout from "falsely signing documents" or whatever the proper term for that action is.



Is Tristan Lall around? I can't wait for him to poke a few holes in this one...Particularly as involving Canadian law, which I know just about nothing about.

EDesbiens 06-08-2015 23:43
Re: New rookie team
 
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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1492762)
You know, there is something I might be wondering if I were you. Seeing as you brought up "legal"...


In the U.S., where FIRST is based, if there is any sort of paperwork that might be needed to be legal (waivers, contracts, etc.), you MUST be of legal adult age in order to sign it (and thus bind yourself by its terms). In the U.S., that legal age is 18 years. (I am not sure what if any such restrictions Canada has.) If for some reason someone under 18 needs to sign said paperwork, usually a parent or guardian is also required to sign it--essentially backing up that the person under 18 will fulfill their part of the paperwork.

Given that you're admitting to being under 18 at this time, and FIRST's usual policies (which I believe include an adult being the one in charge of the team/registering the team), you might consider taking a good solid look at that paperwork again--and, if necessary, getting a responsible adult to sign it. Why, you ask? Because you really don't want to have to deal with any potential fallout from "falsely signing documents" or whatever the proper term for that action is.



Is Tristan Lall around? I can't wait for him to poke a few holes in this one...Particularly as involving Canadian law, which I know just about nothing about.
Majority in Canada is at 18... And yes, my father, who is also my main mentor, will sign the papers, even if I fill them.

Do you know if I will still be able to compete in 2017? I'll be 18 for that season and I'm wondering...

EricH 06-08-2015 23:50
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Originally Posted by EDesbiens (Post 1492765)
Do you know if I will still be able to compete in 2017? I'll be 18 for that season and I'm wondering...
As a student or as a mentor? BTW, age actually has almost nothing to do with it. I was 18 during the last half of build/all of competition in my last year as a student.

The dividing line is: At that point, will you be a pre-college student (high school or below) or a college student (or otherwise out of high school)? If you are a pre-college student, you are considered a student. Otherwise, you are considered a mentor/coach (as far as FIRST is concerned).

EDesbiens 06-08-2015 23:55
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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1492767)
As a student or as a mentor? BTW, age actually has almost nothing to do with it. I was 18 during the last half of build/all of competition in my last year as a student.

The dividing line is: At that point, will you be a pre-college student (high school or below) or a college student (or otherwise out of high school)? If you are a pre-college student, you are considered a student. Otherwise, you are considered a mentor/coach (as far as FIRST is concerned).
But the education system is different in Québec... I'm entering CEGEP now (which is after secondary 5)...

Gregor 07-08-2015 06:02
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Originally Posted by EDesbiens (Post 1492769)
But the education system is different in Québec... I'm entering CEGEP now (which is after secondary 5)...
For the purposes of FRC I'd consider CEGEP as pre-college. Are there other CEGEP teams? What's the precedence?

Monochron 07-08-2015 10:02
Re: New rookie team
 
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Originally Posted by EDesbiens (Post 1492769)
But the education system is different in Québec... I'm entering CEGEP now (which is after secondary 5)...
Canada has a form of College right? (University, Community college, trade school, Grad school, etc.) As long as you aren't yet in one of those then I think you qualify as "pre-college" under FIRST's rules.

EDesbiens 07-08-2015 11:33
Re: New rookie team
 
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Originally Posted by Monochron (Post 1492795)
Canada has a form of College right? (University, Community college, trade school, Grad school, etc.) As long as you aren't yet in one of those then I think you qualify as "pre-college" under FIRST's rules.
Yeah, we have University... CEGEP is like a pre-University and with certain programs, you can, for example, become a technician...

This is the first team in a CEGEP...

MaGiC_PiKaChU 07-08-2015 12:21
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1st year in CEGEP is equivalent to senior year in high school...
If you study in a pre-universitary, you're good...
If you're in a technical program, i think it's considered "College"

EDesbiens 07-08-2015 12:46
Re: New rookie team
 
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Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1492816)
1st year in CEGEP is equivalent to senior year in high school...
If you study in a pre-universitary, you're good...
If you're in a technical program, i think it's considered "College"
That's bad then... :( I'll still try and see with FIRST, maybe it'll be ok :)


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