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FrankJ 11-08-2015 10:53

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
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Originally Posted by The_ShamWOW88 (Post 1493093)
Sure, in that situation, but they could have not bothered to warn you at all.

I'd love some examples of major cities where car break-ins "never, ever happen, no way no how" that has a major stadium and infrastructure to handle something the size of the FIRST World Championships.

Printing a warning is hardly
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the city and FIRST will use all resources to prevent any danger affecting teams and their students.
They could have arranged to have the parking lot monitored. Relatively small cost to mitigate a known risk. I solved our problem by paying to park in a monitored lot. With 600 plus teams, not an option for everybody.

At the Atlanta regional, trailer parking was provided at the marshaling yard. Not without risk, but at least it was monitored & semi secured area. The GWCC is bordered by fairly sketchy areas. I would not recommend wandering alone of the beaten path there as well.

Andrew Schreiber 11-08-2015 11:12

Re: Please read this (at least the last paragraph)
 
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Originally Posted by I_AM_Clayton (Post 1493067)

4. These people are protesting against police and they are still mad as I am. These people are not out to hurt you. Trust me I live here and these people aren't going to attack a group of robotics students. As an African American student who associates with many others who engage in protests I feel that I have an educated opinion on this subject when it comes to the Ferguson issue.

5. I've lived in St. Louis my entire life and I never once have been robbed threatened or attacked. Sure the media makes the St. Louis area look absolutely horrible to the public but in reality it's excessive reporting. You all know how the media likes to blow things up. Yes there are robberies, yes there are shootings those occur everywhere in the entire world.

I've been to St Louis for every CMP event held there. 2 years ago while walking AROUND the dome (<2 blocks from the dome) at 7pm I was harassed by several folks solely for being white. Obscenities were yelled at me for nothing other than walking to dinner to see some friends. I felt threatened by their tone and their words (there was a group of folks). It was NOT a pleasant experience and I wouldn't wish any of my students to go through it.

In short, another piece of anecdotal evidence.

Foster 11-08-2015 11:57

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
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Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1493078)
I am all for politeness and not beating dead horses, but unless you are a list owner or moderator, you are not really in charge of the topics discussed. Everybody has the option of ignoring the threads they are not interested in.

Without going into my opinion of the relative safety of various cities... Site safety is a valid concern for at least the lead mentors. Safety of venues is at least important as rather or not to shout robot or what MSDS (soon to be be SDS) you should have. Current events that brings up safety of the venues are valid questions. Clayton posted a well thought reply to this.

No, I'm just a long suffering mentor that reads CD. I try to "search" CD before I fling out new topics.

The last times this topic has come up it hasn't ended well. I'm just trying to keep away from the edge.

Clayton tried to make some valid points, but as you can see the nitpicking continues.

But since you took the time to reply with "Site safety is a valid concern", there are few places in the US that would be big enough to hold World Championships that don't have problems.

Yo' come to Philly, sorry about that hitchbot thing... those were bands of thugs from Jersey

Come to Las Vegas, but soon, while we still have water

Hey Worlds in Scramento CA in 2017!!! By then the fires should be out

So no matter who FIRST picks there will still be lots of people poking at it, with bad facts that are promulgated by the media.

Like I just did above. Las Vegas is doing a much better job on water conservation that the other states, they think they are good for the next 15 years.

There are no big fires near Sacramento.

Hitchbot in Philly seems to be a lone idiot.

But please continue bashing Detroit, Houston and St. Louis.....

techhelpbb 11-08-2015 12:08

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
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Originally Posted by Foster (Post 1493106)
Yo' come to Philly, sorry about that hitchbot thing... those were bands of thugs from Jersey

Hitchbot in Philly seems to be a lone idiot.

But please continue bashing Detroit, Houston and St. Louis.....

Slight side track...

I asked at NextFAB in Philadelphia, as a New Jersey resident, if we might help put Hitchbot back on it's...can bottom?

So for all my (hypothetical) alleged 'marauding' over the NJ/PA border I did try to lend a wrench ::ouch:: .

Besides I've had some great times over in Newark and Philadelphia: I just watch where I park or leave my robots, laptops, tools and vehicles to the mercy of strangers.

FrankJ 11-08-2015 12:55

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
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Originally Posted by Foster (Post 1493106)
No, I'm just a long suffering mentor that reads CD. I try to "search" CD before I fling out new topics.
....
But please continue bashing Detroit, Houston and St. Louis.....

The continuing issues at Ferguson is a new topic. Especially when the national news mis-identifies the location. But then the media has been confusing Atlanta with Metro Atlanta for years, so I am used to it. :)

I would not consider anything in this thread as "bashing".

The fact that urban areas all have their issues is kinda a Duh. But then a hiker was recently partially eaten by a grizzly bear at Yellowstone National park. Which goes to show you need to know the environmental dangers wherever you go.

mipo0707 11-08-2015 13:42

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
Toronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

techhelpbb 11-08-2015 14:00

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Originally Posted by mipo0707 (Post 1493114)
Toronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh no! ;)

If teams are not careful on the ferry from/to Billy Bishop Airport it will be a small version of the water game.

gblake 11-08-2015 14:18

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
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Originally Posted by The_ShamWOW88 (Post 1493081)
All cities have crime problems. I would be very confident that the city and FIRST will use all resources to prevent any danger affecting teams and their students.

No they won't (use all resources). But they will do something reasonable.

MaGiC_PiKaChU 11-08-2015 16:42

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
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Originally Posted by mipo0707 (Post 1493114)
Toronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'd love that, but having a few hundreds teams go to Canada might be an issue
(speaking about legal documents)

techhelpbb 11-08-2015 17:34

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
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Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1493131)
(speaking about legal documents)

Oddly enough: one of the places you can go to expedite the production of an American Passport is Philadelphia (we've come full circle). ;) Big signs on all those parking lots down by Independence Hall to not leave valuables in your car (they might get 'liberated').

mipo0707 11-08-2015 19:42

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
keep toronto instead of detroit or any other location,
big, cool, welcoming, tims, 1114 2056 1241 610 4039 5406 188, it aint cold in april end, and worlds needs to move countries as host country

Knufire 11-08-2015 19:51

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
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Originally Posted by mipo0707 (Post 1493152)
keep toronto instead of detroit or any other location,
big, cool, welcoming, tims, 1114 2056 1241 610 4039 5406 188, it aint cold in april end, and worlds needs to move countries as host country

Go look at the percentage of US teams vs international teams at the championship, and then realize the logistical nightmare of getting that many more teams to cross an international border for championships.

techhelpbb 11-08-2015 19:56

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
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Originally Posted by mipo0707 (Post 1493152)
keep toronto instead of detroit or any other location,
big, cool, welcoming, tims, 1114 2056 1241 610 4039 5406 188, it aint cold in april end, and worlds needs to move countries as host country

If the Championships are in Toronto will the volunteers and concessions sell: poutine?

Also now that cheesecake has been 'verbed' - what will 'poutine' as a verb end up meaning?

In the old days we could do globalization of the Championship by walking around the Disney Epcot World Showcase (yes there's a Canada stop there).

The other Gabe 11-08-2015 20:55

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:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

Read previous comments. and threads. I went to St. Louis for 3/4 past years, and my experience from it is that no one really wants to attack a bunch of nerds. Break into their cars, maybe, but that happens in literally every city

Foster 11-08-2015 22:29

Re: Location of World Championships/safety
 
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Originally Posted by techhelpbb (Post 1493154)
If the Championships are in Toronto will the volunteers and concessions sell: poutine?

Also now that cheesecake has been 'verbed' - what will 'poutine' as a verb end up meaning?

In the old days we could do globalization of the Championship by walking around the Disney Epcot World Showcase (yes there's a Canada stop there).

Ok, we go to Canada and while Poutine is more Quebec and Butter Tart is Ontario, if we have both, I'm there as a volunteer in a heartbeat (and what few heartbeats remain!) Viva Canada!!


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