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cgmv123 10-09-2015 17:20
FRC Blog - Inter-District play in 2016
 
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...-Play-for-2016

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Today's blog comes from Miriam Somero, FRC District Manager.

A cross-functional task force, which included volunteers from all eight FRC Districts, met to evaluate the 2015 inter-district play experience and propose a plan for inter-district play for 2016.

In the 2015 season, Districts collaborated with FIRST HQ to fill any “open” district event spots with teams from other districts. An “open district spot” is defined as a spot that remains open after all teams in a district have had the opportunity to sign up for their two events plus any additional plays they desire. In 2015, we had seven district teams take advantage of this new opportunity and play inter-district.

In the 2016 season inter-district play will continue much in the same manner as 2015.

Teams playing at a district event outside their home district will treat the out-of-district event in the same way that an in-district team treats an additional district event, meaning no points will be earned, but with a few additional caveats:
  1. The event will be considered an “additional event” regardless of when it actually occurs. Example: A team from MAR signs up for its two official MAR district events, one on Week 1 and one on Week 4. Additionally, the team signs up for one of the open spots in New England during Week 3. Even though the New England event is before the team’s second official MAR event, the event will be treated as an additional event and the team would not earn any points at the New England event. We will retain the concept of teams only being able to earn points within their own districts. This concept will be reevaluated at the end of the 2016 season.
  2. Additionally, the out-of-district team would not be eligible for the three Culture Changing Awards: Chairman’s Award, Engineering Inspiration Award, or Rookie All Star. These may be earned only at events within their home district. They will be eligible to win all other awards, but again, they will not earn points for these. The task force feels strongly that these most prestigious of all FRC awards should be reserved for in-district and recognized that presenting these awards to teams from outside the districts would lead to complications at the District Championship level. This direction, though, as the one above, will be evaluated at the end of the 2016 season.

The cost to register for an additional play at a district event outside a team’s home district is $1,000. Teams will continue to transport their robots to the event themselves. Each event may decide whether or not to provide drayage facilities for out-of-district teams. Drayage arrangements, if any, will be posted on the event’s website. If no drayage arrangements are available through the district, it will be the out-of-district team’s responsibility, logistically and financially, to make their own arrangements to get their robot to the event.

The one change for the coming season that the task force did recommend is a change in the timing of registration. They had feedback from teams that they did not participate last year as registration for inter-district events was so late that teams could not make all the necessary arrangements for travel.

The registration process will be as follows:

In-District additional play registration will open Thursday, November 5th, 2015, the same day as unrestricted registration for regionals.

Inter-District registration will begin 1 week later, Thursday, November 12th
  • All teams registering inter-district will be put onto the waitlist

Registration closes & payments are due from the teams November 23rd

Teams will be notified shortly after December 11 as to whether or not a slot is available for them.

Non-district FRC teams will continue to not be eligible to participate in events within districts.

These decisions are final for the upcoming season, but as noted above, this system will be reviewed once again at the end of the 2016. Please send feedback on possible changes to inter-district play for the 2017 season to frcteams@usfirst.org. If you are a District team, be sure also to give your feedback to your District management, as each District has direct representation on the task force making these recommendations.

RoboDawg 12-09-2015 23:58
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This hurts.

"Non-district FRC teams will continue to not be eligible to participate in events within districts."

Once again we are excluded from our home. Seven years of alliance building and rivalry. Sigh.

On the road again.

waialua359 13-09-2015 06:02
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Originally Posted by RoboDawg (Post 1495840)
This hurts.

"Non-district FRC teams will continue to not be eligible to participate in events within districts."
Ditto.

Michael Hill 13-09-2015 07:51
Re: FRC Blog - Inter-District play in 2016
 
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Originally Posted by RoboDawg (Post 1495840)
This hurts.

"Non-district FRC teams will continue to not be eligible to participate in events within districts."

Once again we are excluded from our home. Seven years of alliance building and rivalry. Sigh.

On the road again.
yup...It's really a way to further punish less sustainable regions. Additionally, it makes it less attractive for universities to host events because many want to attract non-local students. Since they get walled off from out of state students, the schools stop caring.

IKE 13-09-2015 09:24
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Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1495860)
yup...It's really a way to further punish less sustainable regions. Additionally, it makes it less attractive for universities to host events because many want to attract non-local students. Since they get walled off from out of state students, the schools stop caring.
I seriously doubt it is meant to punish less sustainable regions. Does it make it more difficult, yes, but punishment seems like the wrong word.

I do hope they are able to open inter district to teams traditionally doing regionals, but for various reasons, I see why they are not opeing it up yet.

I suspect we will continue to see the trend of "out of district" play being early in the season for many teams. There are a lot of good reasons to do a tune-up outside of your district. Hopefully this will fill and balance the early and (sometimes difficult to fill) events. It will also be a trip early in comp season which often helps form team unity. I am anxious to see how much this is taken advantage of this next year.

jeremy callahan 14-09-2015 08:46
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I understand your concerns but I believe you are going about it the wrong way, and think you need to take action in your community. So you, and your community can be more engaging with districts. In FRC we are always tasked with going up against the powerhouse teams. when you do play them we most often get destroyed, but you improve and strive to be like them and grow. So you and your community needs to strive to be like the districts and grow. Instead of saying how disappointing it is not to be them, and give up. The districts aren't going to stop growing because of the teams that haven't adapted yet.

logank013 14-09-2015 10:35
Re: FRC Blog - Inter-District play in 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoboDawg (Post 1495840)
This hurts.

"Non-district FRC teams will continue to not be eligible to participate in events within districts."

Once again we are excluded from our home. Seven years of alliance building and rivalry. Sigh.

On the road again.
I don't even understand that rule. When Michigan teams come to participate in the IN districts, it is strictly practice. Why can't Illinois teams and Ohio teams come to IN district events for practice too. It just doesn't make sense. I bet the only reason is the fact that going to a district event that means nothing will give regional teams extra time to change their robot for 1/5 of the price rendering some regionals unfair due to some teams having more time to change their robot.

Andrew Schreiber 14-09-2015 11:47
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Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1495957)
I don't even understand that rule. When Michigan teams come to participate in the IN districts, it is strictly practice. Why can't Illinois teams and Ohio teams come to IN district events for practice too. It just doesn't make sense. I bet the only reason is the fact that going to a district event that means nothing will give regional teams extra time to change their robot for 1/5 of the price rendering some regionals unfair due to some teams having more time to change their robot.
Follow the money, you'll find an answer

Michael Corsetto 14-09-2015 12:58
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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1495966)
Follow the money, you'll find an answer
QFT

Brian Maher 14-09-2015 14:50
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Let's look at a hypothetical in which regional teams can compete in district events as practice:

An additional regional:
  • Cost $4000 to register for.
  • Gives 8-12 extra qualification matches.
  • Provides additional chances to qualify for CMP.
  • Higher quality event production

An additional district event:
  • Cost $1000 to register for.
  • Gives 12 extra qualification matches.
  • Doesn't provide additional chances to qualify for CMP.
  • Lower quality event production

What are you getting by going to a regional over a district event?
  • 0 to 4 fewer plays
  • Additional chances to qualify for CMP.
  • A better produced event

What are you paying for this? $3000 (assuming no difference in transportation/logistics costs)

While for some teams, the nicer event, increased CMP chances, and travel opportunities are worth $3000, many others would likely prefer to save $3000. FIRST would lose a nice chunk of change by allowing regional teams to go to district events.

Knufire 14-09-2015 14:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BMSOTM (Post 1495980)
Let's look at a hypothetical in which regional teams can compete in district events as practice:

An additional regional:
  • Cost $4000 to register for.
  • Gives 8-12 extra qualification matches.
  • Provides additional chances to qualify for CMP.
  • Higher quality event production

An additional district event:
  • Cost $1000 to register for.
  • Gives 12 extra qualification matches.
  • Doesn't provide additional chances to qualify for CMP.
  • Lower quality event production

What are you getting by going to a regional over a district event?
  • 0 to 4 fewer plays
  • Additional chances to qualify for CMP.
  • A better produced event

What are you paying for this? $3000 (assuming no difference in transportation/logistics costs)

While for some teams, the nicer event, increased CMP chances, and travel opportunities are worth $3000. However, many others would likely prefer to save $3000. FIRST would lose a nice chunk of change by allowing regional teams to go to district events.
Just to clarify, FIRST HQ would lose the entire $4000. When you register for an out-of-district event, your $1000 registration fee goes to the regional nonprofit in charge of that district (IndianaFIRST, FIRST in Michigan, etc.).

PayneTrain 14-09-2015 16:25
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Originally Posted by Knufire (Post 1495982)
Just to clarify, FIRST HQ would lose the entire $4000. When you register for an out-of-district event, your $1000 registration fee goes to the regional nonprofit in charge of that district (IndianaFIRST, FIRST in Michigan, etc.).
Yeah, inter-district play is an agreement between other regions designed to make sure all 40 slots at an event are full. Enabling any teams is a byproduct.

waialua359 14-09-2015 16:44
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Originally Posted by jeremy callahan (Post 1495948)
I understand your concerns but I believe you are going about it the wrong way, and think you need to take action in your community. So you, and your community can be more engaging with districts. In FRC we are always tasked with going up against the powerhouse teams. when you do play them we most often get destroyed, but you improve and strive to be like them and grow. So you and your community needs to strive to be like the districts and grow. Instead of saying how disappointing it is not to be them, and give up. The districts aren't going to stop growing because of the teams that haven't adapted yet.
While I understand your overall message, I dont think the reason is because of jealousy. This isnt a crab in the bucket situation. Districts are the way to go from a cost standpoint, and to me personally, it makes no difference whether I'm in a high school gym or in a big arena competing in an FRC event. Last year however, we did a "regional" held in a high school gym. Cost was $5,000 to compete.
I'm hoping that while districts continue to increase in the years to come, that non-district teams have a chance to help fill slots AFTER every district team has had a chance to sign up.
We want to play in Michigan one day,......we hope.

Mr V 14-09-2015 19:13
Re: FRC Blog - Inter-District play in 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMSOTM (Post 1495980)
Let's look at a hypothetical in which regional teams can compete in district events as practice:

An additional regional:
  • Cost $4000 to register for.
  • Gives 8-12 extra qualification matches.
  • Provides additional chances to qualify for CMP.
  • Higher quality event production

An additional district event:
  • Cost $1000 to register for.
  • Gives 12 extra qualification matches.
  • Doesn't provide additional chances to qualify for CMP.
  • Lower quality event production

What are you getting by going to a regional over a district event?
  • 0 to 4 fewer plays
  • Additional chances to qualify for CMP.
  • A better produced event

What are you paying for this? $3000 (assuming no difference in transportation/logistics costs)

While for some teams, the nicer event, increased CMP chances, and travel opportunities are worth $3000, many others would likely prefer to save $3000. FIRST would lose a nice chunk of change by allowing regional teams to go to district events.
I'm not so sure about "a better produced event" as being a benefit of going to a Regional. Comparing our PNW events to the Regionals we had in the past there might be a bigger screen, but it is usually farther away and they fly in lighting so that the house lights are off/way down and only the field is well lit. The AV and other production qualities are substantially the same between the previous Regionals and the current District events. In fact some of our District events have been held in the same College Gyms and even the total number of teams in attendance is not that far off in the one case.

Now I've never been to an event in another district so I can't speak to their production values, though IN pretty much copied our selection of A/V equipment and a number of our key A/V team took our equipment to IRI 2014 and showed what we do and how we do it.

Look back through the archives and you'll find a lot of people who wish that the production values of Regionals was as high as it is in the PNW district, particularly the streaming and live video feed.

first3234 14-09-2015 22:38
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Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 1495995)
While I understand your overall message, I dont think the reason is because of jealousy. This isnt a crab in the bucket situation. Districts are the way to go from a cost standpoint, and to me personally, it makes no difference whether I'm in a high school gym or in a big arena competing in an FRC event. Last year however, we did a "regional" held in a high school gym. Cost was $5,000 to compete.
I'm hoping that while districts continue to increase in the years to come, that non-district teams have a chance to help fill slots AFTER every district team has had a chance to sign up.
We want to play in Michigan one day,......we hope.
When Hawaii goes to districts and if there's spots available we will welcome you here to Michigan

Aren Siekmeier 15-09-2015 04:37
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Originally Posted by first3234 (Post 1496035)
When Hawaii goes to districts and if there's spots available we will welcome you here to Michigan
You're already free to compete at the Hawaii regional. On the other hand, Hawaii teams can't do the opposite and compete in Michigan. And what about teams in areas where supporting a district system can't happen in the near future, if ever?

EricH 15-09-2015 19:08
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Originally Posted by Aren Siekmeier (Post 1496050)
And what about teams in areas where supporting a district system can't happen in the near future, if ever?
You mean like Hawaii?

Here's the #1 problem with districts in HI.

It's NOT the number of teams.
It's NOT the distance from the mainland.


It's that Every. Single. Time. a team from HI wants to compete in a location that is NOT on their island, they have to airfreight the robot AND fly the team (well, they could possibly catch a ferry... but that takes a lot longer).


So, for those of you in MI, particularly the Lower Peninsula, to understand: You need to attend an event at the MN border, and the Mackinac Bridge is out (and there's a ferry starting in Detroit if you really want to take a couple of days). Now make that TWO districts like that. That's Hawaii's problem, in a nutshell.

waialua359 15-09-2015 19:26
Re: FRC Blog - Inter-District play in 2016
 
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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1496113)
You mean like Hawaii?

Here's the #1 problem with districts in HI.

It's NOT the number of teams.
It's NOT the distance from the mainland.


It's that Every. Single. Time. a team from HI wants to compete in a location that is NOT on their island, they have to airfreight the robot AND fly the team (well, they could possibly catch a ferry... but that takes a lot longer).


So, for those of you in MI, particularly the Lower Peninsula, to understand: You need to attend an event at the MN border, and the Mackinac Bridge is out (and there's a ferry starting in Detroit if you really want to take a couple of days). Now make that TWO districts like that. That's Hawaii's problem, in a nutshell.
I wish it was that good.
The teams that are not on Oahu complain every year. The amount they spend to compete in Honolulu is astronomical and more than half of what they would spend to compete in California as an example.
Robots have to be flown to every event attended other than Oahu teams. There is no ferry that you speak of. Long gone. Robots would never be able to compete in back to back weekends due to the way it has to ship from event to event.
With hotel expenses, the neighbor island teams find themselves spending a lot more than us who can go home daily.
Driving to an event makes districts more feasible. Being from Hawaii makes it just about impossible both financially and logistically.

Paul Copioli 17-09-2015 03:29
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Glenn,

This is one of the prices you pay for living in paradise my friend.

Ryan Dognaux 17-09-2015 11:19
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The real question is will inter-district play be ready for 2017? We'll have even more districts by then and will probably hit a point where multiple districts border each other (especially if Illinois goes it alone and Missouri / Kansas create their own).

I'd hate to see some of our southern Illinois friends have to drive hours when they have events 20-30 minutes away in St. Louis.

Richard Wallace 17-09-2015 12:11
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Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux (Post 1496312)
The real question is will inter-district play be ready for 2017? We'll have even more districts by then and will probably hit a point where multiple districts border each other (especially if Illinois goes it alone and Missouri / Kansas create their own).

I'd hate to see some of our southern Illinois friends have to drive hours when they have events 20-30 minutes away in St. Louis.
Many of those teams trace their roots to the beginning of the St. Louis Regional. Keeping them out of district play in their home area would be wrong.

I feel the same way about Indiana, Ohio, and Ontario teams that competed in the Great Lakes Regional, back in the day. Excluding them from FiM districts may have been necessary* to get district-style competition started, but I don't believe it should be necessary to repeat that pain elsewhere now.

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*A debatable topic, but the debate is moot now.

Christopher149 17-09-2015 12:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1496113)
So, for those of you in MI, particularly the Lower Peninsula, to understand: You need to attend an event at the MN border, and the Mackinac Bridge is out (and there's a ferry starting in Detroit if you really want to take a couple of days). Now make that TWO districts like that. That's Hawaii's problem, in a nutshell.
I tease a little, but you could just go via Chicago in this situation.

Probably more like the event is on Isle Royale.

MARS_James 17-09-2015 13:00
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I am hoping one day preferably sooner rather then later FIRST will allow individual teams to choose what their team will be doing, what I mean is you have a list of every District with a button and then a Regional System button. Let teams who geographically are closer to a district, even if it isn't their "home" district, choose to be in a district while teams in a district who geographically better suited to go to a regional choose to opt out of a districts. It has become abundantly clear that state borders do not make the best markers for district borders.

Mr V 17-09-2015 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1496326)
I am hoping one day preferably sooner rather then later FIRST will allow individual teams to choose what their team will be doing, what I mean is you have a list of every District with a button and then a Regional System button. Let teams who geographically are closer to a district, even if it isn't their "home" district, choose to be in a district while teams in a district who geographically better suited to go to a regional choose to opt out of a districts. It has become abundantly clear that state borders do not make the best markers for district borders.
But for tracking teams the state boarders are the best available solution currently. Having teams be able to opt in or out would create a logistical nightmare for FIRST and the organizations running the individual districts. I do agree that state lines are not the best for the teams though. Case in point that I'm very familiar with is Idaho. The teams in the northern part of the state are as little as 30 min away from the locations we've held a district event and last year the DCMP. So many of them ended up going to Calgary which prevented some teams from attending a second event like they had in the past. The new Boise Regional will be better.

Originally FIRST wanted all or none of ID, for ease of sorting teams, but we eventually them convinced to allow the N. ID teams to join the PNW district. Because of the effort to make Boise happen that decision was reversed.

aspiece 17-09-2015 14:11
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Here is my reflection on our experience with inner district play last year. http://aspiece.blogspot.com/2015/05/...tunity-to.html

Jon Stratis 17-09-2015 14:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1496326)
I am hoping one day preferably sooner rather then later FIRST will allow individual teams to choose what their team will be doing, what I mean is you have a list of every District with a button and then a Regional System button. Let teams who geographically are closer to a district, even if it isn't their "home" district, choose to be in a district while teams in a district who geographically better suited to go to a regional choose to opt out of a districts. It has become abundantly clear that state borders do not make the best markers for district borders.
While something like this would certainly help many "borderline" teams as districts grow, it would also be a nightmare to manage. As one example, when Minnesota finally goes to districts, it'll be interesting to see what happens with Western Wisconsin and North Dakota teams that currently come to our regionals... Do they get included in the district for their ease of travel? Do they get excluded so the Minnesota State High School League can sponsor a state tournament in week 7 instead of opting out of a broader district tournament (hypothetical, I have no idea how things will work with the MSHSL when Minnesota goes to districts)?

Instead of basic "open enrollment", I could see a redistricting process every so often (maybe 5 years?) where the district borders are redrawn. It would give teams a chance to provide input as to where the borders should be, give FIRST a chance to merge or split districts as needed (for example, Michigan could split in half since it's so huge, while Indiana could merge with a neighboring state to make a larger district), and let us appropriately adapt to any funding/political changes that occur.

While state borders may not make sense in some situations, in others they might. It's not only about travel distance for teams.

Zebra_Fact_Man 17-09-2015 16:41
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Originally Posted by Mr V (Post 1496328)
...Having teams be able to opt in or out would create a logistical nightmare for FIRST and the organizations running the individual districts...
I really don't see how that would be the case. If nothing else, you could put it in TIMS as a checkoff box for the Main Contact to select at the beginning of the season: -Regional -NE -MAR -PNW etc.

Registration info is shared from FIRST to the individual regions (including Main/Alt. Contacts); I don't see why this data couldn't also be transferred.

In a database, it's just one more column of data.

Alan Anderson 17-09-2015 17:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr V (Post 1496328)
Having teams be able to opt in or out would create a logistical nightmare for FIRST and the organizations running the individual districts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebra_Fact_Man (Post 1496341)
I really don't see how that would be the case. If nothing else, you could put it in TIMS as a checkoff box for the Main Contact to select at the beginning of the season: -Regional -NE -MAR -PNW etc.

Registration info is shared from FIRST to the individual regions (including Main/Alt. Contacts); I don't see why this data couldn't also be transferred.

In a database, it's just one more column of data.
The nightmare is not the data. The nightmare is the logistics. For example, IndianaFIRST needed to know with a reasonable level of certainty how many teams to account for when planning the district events. That has to be done well in advance of when teams actually register. An extra dozen more, or a half dozen fewer than expected, would really hurt those plans.

waialua359 17-09-2015 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 1496274)
Glenn,

This is one of the prices you pay for living in paradise my friend.
:o

dag0620 17-09-2015 19:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1496346)
The nightmare is not the data. The nightmare is the logistics. For example, IndianaFIRST needed to know with a reasonable level of certainty how many teams to account for when planning the district events. That has to be done well in advance of when teams actually register. An extra dozen more, or a half dozen fewer than expected, would really hurt those plans.
I'm still un decided as to if letting teams pick what's best for them is good or not. I completely agree that the logistics of this would be a nightmare, but I do see where teams are coming from at the same time.

With that said an idea thrown around before that could work in this situation, is in order to compete in a district you don't technically belong too (i.e. Capital NY teams who want to compete in NE), is to sign a multi-year agreement to become a part of that district. Agreements would have to be signed at least 6 months prior to registration if not earlier. While a team could move after their agreement is up, ideally the culture should be once you decide on the region that makes the most sense for you, you stay there.

This allows teams to be in the district that makes the most sense for them, but at the same time prevents a constantly fluctuating amount of teams a district needs capacity for.

GaryVoshol 17-09-2015 21:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dag0620 (Post 1496364)
With that said an idea thrown around before that could work in this situation, is in order to compete in a district you don't technically belong too (i.e. Capital NY teams who want to compete in NE), is to sign a multi-year agreement to become a part of that district. Agreements would have to be signed at least 6 months prior to registration if not earlier. While a team could move after their agreement is up, ideally the culture should be once you decide on the region that makes the most sense for you, you stay there.
And you make some kind of commitment on supporting the district. Not just show up a few weekends a year for competitions.

EricH 18-09-2015 18:41
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Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1496331)
While something like this would certainly help many "borderline" teams as districts grow, it would also be a nightmare to manage. As one example, when Minnesota finally goes to districts, it'll be interesting to see what happens with Western Wisconsin and North Dakota teams that currently come to our regionals... Do they get included in the district for their ease of travel? Do they get excluded so the Minnesota State High School League can sponsor a state tournament in week 7 instead of opting out of a broader district tournament (hypothetical, I have no idea how things will work with the MSHSL when Minnesota goes to districts)?
There's an easy one with the Dakotas. There's one line of thought that says that instead of North and South, they should have been split East and West. SD gets a boundary running north/south on the Missouri; ND gets it from the where the Missouri crosses the border via a route of their choosing to the Canadian border.

dag0620 18-09-2015 21:57
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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1496383)
And you make some kind of commitment on supporting the district. Not just show up a few weekends a year for competitions.

Absolutely! In my mind, teams doing this would be part of the district for all purposes, not just for events. Providing support and being a contributing member of the districts community year round is a standard that would be expected.


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