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Owen Busler

18-09-2015 10:48

FRC Blog- Frank Answers Friday: Pool Noodles

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...y-Pool-Noodles

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Today’s good question comes from Billfred (not his real name, but we’re rolling with it) Leverette, a mentor on FRC Team 4901, Garnet Squadron, from Columbia, South Carolina, USA:

Question:

Should we buy pool noodles this fall?

--Billfred Leverette
Head Bot Coach and Eternal Optimist
FRC 4901 (Garnet Squadron)

Answer:

Hi Billfred,

Yes, you should buy pool noodles. For your bumpers, this time.

Frank

Yes.

Thad House

18-09-2015 10:50

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Best news to come out of FIRST in a while.

Never thought I'd be this excited about bumpers...

MysterE

18-09-2015 10:51

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Yaaaaaaaaaas.

FrankJ

18-09-2015 10:52

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I had a dream last night that it was a water game. Maybe the drivers will use pool noodles to float.

Best game hint ever.

Owen Busler

18-09-2015 10:54

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Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1496440)

I had a dream last night that it was a water game. Maybe the drivers will use pool noodles to float.

Best game hint ever.

Really. Only three replies and its already at a water game.

Darkseer54

18-09-2015 10:54

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This calls for a celebration! Though I never thought the CD community would be so happy to see more defense.

marshall

18-09-2015 10:54

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Thankfully we have some green ones left over from last year. I hope. Unless someone had a pool party with them.

Useful link for new teams:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...p age_o00_s00

carpedav000

18-09-2015 10:58

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Ah, yes. Defense means gearboxes and eight wheel tank drive and all things wanderful.

Matthew2468

18-09-2015 11:04

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Best post I have ever read by far🎉

Nathan Streeter

18-09-2015 11:08

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Now that is a clear game hint!

jvriezen

18-09-2015 11:12

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I predict the 2016 game field will not be divided into two halves by an impassible barrier.

Alpha Beta

18-09-2015 11:15

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Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1496444)

Ah, yes. Defense means gearboxes and eight wheel tank drive and all things wanderful.

It also means opportunity for higher current draws in pushing matches between high powered drive-trains. Good time to look over the brownout specs (page 7) on the roboRIO.

carpedav000

18-09-2015 11:45

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Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1496451)

It also means opportunity for higher current draws in pushing matches between high powered drive-trains. Good time to look over the brownout specs (page 7) on the roboRIO.

Yeah, as a mechanical monkey I frequently forget about these things...

Jon Stratis

18-09-2015 11:49

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I challenge everyone celebrating this news (including myself!) to go out there and make an effort to teach another team how to make good looking bumpers that attach easily and securely. It's always been a headache at an event, and will be doubly so this year, as we'll have two years worth of rookie teams who have never made bumpers... Not to mention the team's that have forgotten how to make them, or had the key person who made them graduate last year without passing on the knowledge!

pabeekm

18-09-2015 11:54

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Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1496459)

Better yet, teach them about easy, powerful drivetrains.

FrankJ

18-09-2015 11:56

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Originally Posted by Owen Busler (Post 1496441)

Really. Only three replies and its already at a water game.

This is something similar to Goodwin's law. If a thread goes on long enough, water game will be mentioned. Now we just need to think of a name for it.

carpedav000

18-09-2015 12:05

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Originally Posted by pabeekm (Post 1496460)

Better yet, teach them about easy, powerful drivetrains.

Yes. Just a quick question for everyone. What is your favorite drivetrain for a defense-heavy game (please dont link the thread from 2011 [you know which one])? My personal favorite is butterfly.

DesignComp

18-09-2015 12:08

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Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1496463)

Yes. Just a quick question for everyone. What is your favorite drivetrain for a defense-heavy game (please dont link the thread from 2011 [you know which one])? My personal favorite is butterfly.

AdamHeard

18-09-2015 12:08

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Originally Posted by DesignComp (Post 1496464)

Stop it Andrew.

Katie_UPS

18-09-2015 12:14

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Wait, Billfred's name isn't actually Billfred? What next? No one is JVN?

Joe G.

18-09-2015 12:17

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Based on the reaction, I'm now convinced that the entire 2015 season was an elaborate ploy by FIRST to get teams to stop complaining about bumpers.

Abhishek R

18-09-2015 12:19

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Ah yes, time for more contact sports.

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Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1496463)

Yes. Just a quick question for everyone. What is your favorite drivetrain for a defense-heavy game (please dont link the thread from 2011 [you know which one])? My personal favorite is butterfly.

Butterfly +1

mwmac

18-09-2015 12:20

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My favorite Frank's Blog post ever! Now we can recycle the green noodle discards from 2015.

Zebra_Fact_Man

18-09-2015 12:23

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But I wanted defense AND no bumpers 8(
Surely the RoboRIO is as sturdy as the IFI Robot Controllers.

RonnieS

18-09-2015 12:45

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Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1496463)

Yes. Just a quick question for everyone. What is your favorite drivetrain for a defense-heavy game (please dont link the thread from 2011 [you know which one])? My personal favorite is butterfly.

One speed...FAST. Don't waste time in a pushing match that will limit your offensive potential.

-Ronnie

cadandcookies

18-09-2015 12:52

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Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1496463)

Yes. Just a quick question for everyone. What is your favorite drivetrain for a defense-heavy game (please dont link the thread from 2011 [you know which one])? My personal favorite is butterfly.

Kitbot drive train. For 90+% of teams spending time on a fancy custom drive train isn't worth the resources.

tindleroot

18-09-2015 12:53

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Originally Posted by Katie_UPS (Post 1496468)

Wait, Billfred's name isn't actually Billfred? What next? No one is JVN?

Maybe Karthik's last name isn't actually Kanagasabapathy;)

E Dawg

18-09-2015 12:59

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Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1496461)

This is something similar to Goodwin's law. If a thread goes on long enough, water game will be mentioned. Now we just need to think of a name for it.

Durstig's Law.

'Durstig' is German for thirsty. And we're "thirsty" for a water game.

D.Allred

18-09-2015 13:07

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Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1496450)

I predict the 2016 game field will not be divided into two halves by an impassible barrier.

Hmm... I predict the field will be divided into sections that are impassable by some.

marshall

18-09-2015 13:13

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Originally Posted by E Dawg (Post 1496482)

Durstig's Law.

'Durstig' is German for thirsty. And we're "thirsty" for a water game.

I think Frank's Law might be more appropriate.

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Who's Frank?

Take your pick. That's the good thing about calling it Frank's Law.

MoistRobot

18-09-2015 13:47

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Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1496461)

This is something similar to Goodwin's law. If a thread goes on long enough, water game will be mentioned. Now we just need to think of a name for it.

My unbiased vote is for Moist's law.

Brian Maher

18-09-2015 13:53

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Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1496461)

This is something similar to Goodwin's law. If a thread goes on long enough, water game will be mentioned. Now we just need to think of a name for it.

I say Frank's law, in honor of the law's originator, and also Frank Merrick.

GeeTwo

18-09-2015 14:10

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Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1496461)

This is something similar to Goodwin's law. If a thread goes on long enough, water game will be mentioned. Now we just need to think of a name for it.

It's not a law, it's a malady. Perhaps Delphi Hydrophilitis?

R2D2DOC

18-09-2015 14:15

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Hello All. For those of you who remember the "simulated" low gravity of LUNACY via regolith, consider a water game "simulated" viscosity via ball pit. Bazinga!!

Oh, but how do you set-up? Wade through the simulated water? Does the robot float on top? Is there a "dry" area for set-up and then it's flooded at the start of the game? What about autonomous? Etc. . . . Etc. . . Etc. . . .

Richard Wallace

18-09-2015 14:20

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Originally Posted by R2D2DOC (Post 1496491)

Bazinga!!

Hallry

18-09-2015 15:12

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Originally Posted by tindleroot (Post 1496480)

Maybe Karthik's last name isn't actually Kanagasabapathy;)

I thought it was Smith? :rolleyes:

dudefise

18-09-2015 15:59

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wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo

I'm excited to see me some real defense again.

jvriezen

18-09-2015 16:41

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Hmm.. what if the 2016 game has a separated field, (3v0) with heavy bumper-ed field elements that need to be 'rammed' to accomplish the task?

dtengineering

18-09-2015 17:16

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Great question, we're hoping to have several rookie teams in BC this year, and finding pool noodles in Canada in February (even in soggy Vancouver) is exactly as challenging as you'd expect it to be. Time to hit the fall clear-out at Canadian Tire.

Jason

ATannahill

18-09-2015 17:19

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Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 1496506)

Just for the record, if you asked this question at this time last year the answer would have been:

"Yes."

Pool noodles != Bumper

Great question, we're hoping to have several rookie teams in BC this year, and finding pool noodles in Canada in February (even in soggy Vancouver) is exactly as challenging as you'd expect it to be. Time to hit the fall clear-out at Canadian Tire.

Jason

While you are correct, Frank did state that the pool noodles were for bumpers. I highly doubt Frank would be advising teams to make a purchase for bumper building material for bumpers if he did not expect teams to have bumpers.

Edit: I see your edit.

mwmac

18-09-2015 17:24

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Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1496504)

Hmm.. what if the 2016 game has a separated field, (3v0) with heavy bumper-ed field elements that need to be 'rammed' to accomplish the task?

Then it would rank right up there with 2009 and 2015 as one of the top 3 worst FRC games.

Anupam Goli

18-09-2015 17:31

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Originally Posted by D.Allred (Post 1496483)

Hmm... I predict the field will be divided into sections that are impassable by some.

I mean, some teams can't even move past arbitrary lines on the field.

Jalerre

18-09-2015 19:55

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Originally Posted by R2D2DOC (Post 1496491)

I think corn kernels would be a better idea than a ball pit. Smaller particles more closely resemble the viscosity of water. I can't remember where I got the idea from...

bearbot

18-09-2015 19:59

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Bumpers are going back on robot so excited

Darkseer54

18-09-2015 21:29

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Originally Posted by carpedav000 (Post 1496463)

Yes. Just a quick question for everyone. What is your favorite drivetrain for a defense-heavy game (please dont link the thread from 2011 [you know which one])? My personal favorite is butterfly.

Completely unbiased, octocanum is definitely the best. ;)

Electronica1

18-09-2015 21:34

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Originally Posted by Darkseer54 (Post 1496531)

Completely unbiased, octocanum is definitely the best. ;)

Bro please, the best is obviously what ever 469 used in 2011 :P

AdamHeard

19-09-2015 01:18

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Originally Posted by Electronica1 (Post 1496532)

Bro please, the best is obviously what ever 469 used in 2011 :P

Really?

cadandcookies

19-09-2015 01:21

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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1496547)

Really?

Adam would not like to toot his team's own horn, but...

AdamHeard

19-09-2015 01:56

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Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1496548)

Adam would not like to toot his team's own horn, but...

Toot toot

Knufire

19-09-2015 02:03

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Originally Posted by Electronica1 (Post 1496532)

Bro please, the best is obviously what ever 469 used in 2011 :P

If you really want to drop nearly 50lbs on a drivetrain. Also, that was powered by servo-shifted Dewalts, had to program a stutter-step to shift.

nuclearnerd

19-09-2015 02:17

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Originally Posted by RonnieS (Post 1496478)

One speed...FAST. Don't waste time in a pushing match that will limit your offensive potential.

-Ronnie

Shifters are super useful! There are times on offense when you just have to plow through to get to where you need to be (Our killer feature in 2014 was that we could score over top of a defender if we could push them into the key in front of the low goal.) Also, if we go back to a single game piece (pretty please?) you'll need to spend some time on defense :)

ShotgunNinja

22-09-2015 13:47

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Originally Posted by mwmac (Post 1496509)

Then it would rank right up there with 2009 and 2015 as one of the top 3 worst FRC games.

Hey, I liked Lunacy... it helped that my 'bot went to Atlanta, though.

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