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tr6scott 21-09-2015 17:15

pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 


I saw the PNW district diagram, and never heard of a Voronoi diagram I thought I would check it out. I used the site http://lpetrich.org/Science/Geometry...Demo_GMap.html but could not figure out how to save the data points, so it would be more dynamic.

I was interested in seeing how the new Marysville district impacted the home venues for some of the teams we typically run up against. Also with the elimination of the Bedford district, what impact that had to the down river teams.

Also the tip of the thumb data is inaccurate, as has them competing in Saginaw, but interesting.

Zebra_Fact_Man 21-09-2015 18:22

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tr6scott (Post 1496829)
...Also with the elimination of the Bedford district, what impact that had to the down river teams...

Has this actually been confirmed?
There are only 18 districts currently listed for FiM, and I expect anywhere from 20-22 for the 2016 season. My assumption was that they had not agreed upon a hosting week yet.
If confirmed, anyone know why they are pulling back?

GaryVoshol 21-09-2015 20:55

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
The absolute straight-line distances don't take into account that sometimes "you can't get there from here." For example, the tip of the thumb is split off, presumably to the Standish event, when in reality it would be much shorter for them to go to Marysville, Flint or Midland.

Christopher149 21-09-2015 21:03

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
Gary: the other half of the state does show Standish as the thumb tip's "home" location.

tr6scott 21-09-2015 21:12

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
Nothing confirmed, just going by what is posted as of today on http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events

It may be that they are holding it in reserve to see how many rookie teams get added.

Just based on what is published... and that registration for home events opens this Thursday.

Seeing the current schedule has:

4 events week 1 Kettering, Southfield, Standish, Waterford
2 events week 2 Gull Lake, St. Joesph
3 events week 3 Centerline, Escanaba, Midland
4 events week 4 GVSU, Livonia, Marysville, Mason
3 events week 5 Howell, East Kentwood, Troy
2 events week 6 Woodhaven, Traverse City

It would seem if they need to add it would be week 2 and week 6.

When I first looked at this I thought there was a typo, as they had 4 week 1 events, and only 2 week two, but now with Week 4 with 4 events... I think it is not in error, they will have to have 4 fields in Michigan.

It all depends on how new rookies are added and how many rookies are still viable after the 1st and 2nd years.

Basel A 21-09-2015 21:32

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebra_Fact_Man (Post 1496842)
Has this actually been confirmed?
There are only 18 districts currently listed for FiM, and I expect anywhere from 20-22 for the 2016 season. My assumption was that they had not agreed upon a hosting week yet.
If confirmed, anyone know why they are pulling back?

My understanding is that Bedford district will not be occurring this year. I also believe that the other events are just about set, but just have yet to be announced (hopefully FiM will be forthcoming with that information, oh wait they've never been forthcoming with information).

Christopher149 21-09-2015 21:51

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tr6scott (Post 1496874)
Nothing confirmed, just going by what is posted as of today on http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events

It may be that they are holding it in reserve to see how many rookie teams get added.

Just based on what is published... and that registration for home events opens this Thursday.

Seeing the current schedule has:

4 events week 1 Kettering, Southfield, Standish, Waterford
2 events week 2 Gull Lake, St. Joesph
3 events week 3 Centerline, Escanaba, Midland
4 events week 4 GVSU, Livonia, Marysville, Mason
3 events week 5 Howell, East Kentwood, Troy
2 events week 6 Woodhaven, Traverse City

It would seem if they need to add it would be week 2 and week 6.

When I first looked at this I thought there was a typo, as they had 4 week 1 events, and only 2 week two, but now with Week 4 with 4 events... I think it is not in error, they will have to have 4 fields in Michigan.

It all depends on how new rookies are added and how many rookies are still viable after the 1st and 2nd years.

I heard a semi-official rumor that there will be something like 20 district events this year. No idea where they will be (*fingers crossed for Sault Ste. Marie*)

Using some math, 18 events can support 18*40/2=360 teams (assuming 40 team event, 2 plays for everyone). Last year, Michigan had 347 teams. So, if the state grows by even +14 teams, they will NEED a 19th event. Midland moved from week 2 to week 3, but that may well have been a schedule conflict coming up at Midland itself (and not necessarily working around an unannounced event).

SoftwareBug2.0 21-09-2015 22:03

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1496877)
My understanding is that Bedford district will not be occurring this year. I also believe that the other events are just about set, but just have yet to be announced (hopefully FiM will be forthcoming with that information, oh wait they've never been forthcoming with information).

Speaking of being forthcoming, has FiM ever released a list of who was assigned where in past years or do you just have to infer based on when teams register?

tr6scott 22-09-2015 06:10

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
I have not seen a list published. About 5 years ago I asked for our home event be changed from Waterford to Kettering. Kettering was (and is) a sponsor for the team, and we wanted to build on that relationship.

We were denied, I looked for the information published at that time, and could not find any.

I have not looked in earnest since then.

tr6scott 22-09-2015 08:14

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1496871)
The absolute straight-line distances don't take into account that sometimes "you can't get there from here." For example, the tip of the thumb is split off, presumably to the Standish event, when in reality it would be much shorter for them to go to Marysville, Flint or Midland.

The Gary edit. :)

tip of thumb edit by Scott McBride, on Flickr

logank013 22-09-2015 13:17

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
How do districts work in Michigan? Do they have to play their 2 events in their smaller sub-district or are these sub-districts showing how the teams inside their sub-district will probably go to their events in their sub district? Does that make sense? Haha. Thanks

Christopher149 22-09-2015 14:10

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1496980)
How do districts work in Michigan? Do they have to play their 2 events in their smaller sub-district or are these sub-districts showing how the teams inside their sub-district will probably go to their events in their sub district? Does that make sense? Haha. Thanks

This map is just a distance measurement of what is probably your "home" event (ie, the event closest to you). At initial signup (this Thursday) we get to accept or reject the home event. At second event signup, we get to pick any other one that has room.

For example, for the last two years and this year our home event is Escanaba and our second closest event is Traverse City. But last year (because shenanigans) we went to Kentwood as the non-home event. And this year, Traverse City being a week 6 is making us look at other options.

But no, there is no sub-districting (this map's subdistricts are for administrative purposes and have no bearing on teams).

Edit: Seeing you're from Indiana - having a map like this is nice because we have a metric ton more events than Indiana with a more interestingly shaped state.

Basel A 22-09-2015 18:26

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SoftwareBug2.0 (Post 1496888)
Speaking of being forthcoming, has FiM ever released a list of who was assigned where in past years or do you just have to infer based on when teams register?

That information for the 2015 season is available in the below spreadsheet. It was sent out last September 23rd (2014), so it's not perfectly up-to-date (e.g. rookies don't have numbers). I don't have and am not aware of any source for this information for any other year.

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Team Number        Home                Location of the Team's School
240                Bedford                Monroe
1023                Bedford                Temperance
1528                Bedford                Monroe
3547                Bedford                Monroe
3773                Bedford                Tecumseh
4395                Bedford                Dundee
5144                Bedford                Adrian
20150199        Bedford                Camden
20150247        Bedford                Milan
123                Center Line        Hamtramck
453                Center Line        Clinton Twsp
818                Center Line        Warren
910                Center Line        Madison Heights
1189                Center Line        Grosse Pointe Farms
1941                Center Line        Detroit
2048                Center Line        Detroit
2591                Center Line        Detroit
2673                Center Line        Detroit
3096                Center Line        Detroit
3175                Center Line        Grosse Pointe Woods
3398                Center Line        Detroit
3619                Center Line        Detroit
3632                Center Line        Detroit
4507                Center Line        Detroit
4758                Center Line        Detroit
4779                Center Line        Marine City
4811                Center Line        Madison Heights
4815                Center Line        Center Line
4851                Center Line        Detroit
5065                Center Line        Hamtramck
5068                Center Line        Detroit
5073                Center Line        Detroit
5197                Center Line        Detroit
5214                Center Line        St. Clair Shores
5225                Center Line        Eastpointe
20150052        Center Line        Detroit
20150220        Center Line        Detroit
857                Escanaba        Houghton
2153                Escanaba        Chassell
2586                Escanaba        Calumet
3602                Escanaba        Escanaba
3617                Escanaba        Marquette
4375                Escanaba        Ishpeming
4391                Escanaba        Gladstone
4392                Escanaba        Brimley
4715                Escanaba        Cooks
4827                Escanaba        Negaunee
4835                Escanaba        Manistique
4970                Escanaba        Harris
4995                Escanaba        Paradise
20150257        Escanaba        Wilson
1677                Gull Lake        Kalmazoo
2054                Gull Lake        Hopkins
2767                Gull Lake        Portage
3542                Gull Lake        Bedford
3658                Gull Lake        Battle Creek
4325                Gull Lake        Three Rivers
4327                Gull Lake        Battle Creek
4368                Gull Lake        Vicksburg
4381                Gull Lake        Richland
4408                Gull Lake        Battle Creek
4453                Gull Lake        Marshall
4482                Gull Lake        Kalamazoo
4483                Gull Lake        Battle Creek
5152                Gull Lake        Otsego
5161                Gull Lake        Plainwell
5194                Gull Lake        Gobles
5204                Gull Lake        Three Rivers
5227                Gull Lake        Schoolcraft
5248                Gull Lake        Hastings
5256                Gull Lake        Lake Odessa
20150146        Gull Lake        Burr Oak
20150196        Gull Lake        Paw Paw
20150300        Gull Lake        Galesburg
1502                Howell                Chelsea
2145                Howell                Lake Fenton
3536                Howell                Hartland
3568                Howell                Linden
3656                Howell                Dexter
3668                Howell                Whitmore Lake
3707                Howell                Brighton
4362                Howell                Howell
4776                Howell                Howell
5114                Howell                Fenton
70                Kettering        Goodrich
314                Kettering        Flint
322                Kettering        Flint
468                Kettering        Flushing
494                Kettering        Goodrich
894                Kettering        Flint
1243                Kettering        Swartz Creek
1322                Kettering        Fenton
1506                Kettering        Flint
1684                Kettering        Lapeer
2337                Kettering        Grand Blanc
3415                Kettering        Montrose
3534                Kettering        Davison
3535                Kettering        Lapeer
4994                Kettering        Kingston
4998                Kettering        Flint
5017                Kettering        Harbor Beach
5084                Kettering        Corunna
5150                Kettering        Flint
5155                Kettering        Ubly
5201                Kettering        North Branch
5215                Kettering        Frankenmuth
5226                Kettering        Flint
5234                Kettering        Elsie
5235                Kettering        Chesaning
5238                Kettering        Otisville
5251                Kettering        Flint
5260                Kettering        Owosso
5282                Kettering        Durand
20150170        Kettering        Clio
20150171        Kettering        Flint
20150184        Kettering        Burton
20150186        Kettering        Birch Run
20150221        Kettering        Burton
20150223        Kettering        Mt. Morris
20150307        Kettering        Lapeer
1504                Lansing                Okemos
2611                Lansing                Jackson
3655                Lansing                Mason
4216                Lansing                Jackson
4568                Lansing                North Adams
5205                Lansing                Concord
20150048        Lansing                Jonesville
20150270        Lansing                Grass Lake Twsp
66                Livonia                Ypsilanti
313                Livonia                Wayne
470                Livonia                Ypsilanti
503                Livonia                Novi
548                Livonia                Northville
830                Livonia                Ann Arbor
862                Livonia                Canton
1076                Livonia                Ann Arbor
1250                Livonia                Dearborn
2832                Livonia                Livonia
3322                Livonia                Ann Arbor
3641                Livonia                South Lyon
4390                Livonia                Dearborn
4768                Livonia                Detroit
5066                Livonia                Saline
5067                Livonia                Ann Arbor
5217                Livonia                Dearborn
5220                Livonia                Westalnd
5233                Livonia                Westland
20150024        Livonia                Ann Arbor
20150116        Livonia                Dearborn
703                Midland                Saginaw
2619                Midland                Midland
3570                Midland                Alma
3770                Midland                Bullock Creek
4382                Midland                Saginaw
4819                Midland                Mt Pleasant
5081                Midland                Bay City
5156                Midland                Pigeon
5166                Midland                Freeland
5193                Midland                Saginaw
5203                Midland                Sanford
5216                Midland                Essexville
5222                Midland                Saginaw
5224                Midland                Standish
5229                Midland                Saginaw Twsp
5231                Midland                Shepard
5257                Midland                Coleman
20150040        Midland                Midland
20150062        Midland                Midland
20150066        Midland                Harrisville
20150183        Midland                Sebewaing
20150188        Midland                Midland
20150216        Midland                Auburn
20150249        Midland                Pinconning
20150308        Midland                Midland
94                Southfield        Southfield
247                Southfield        Berkley
573                Southfield        Bloomfield Hills
835                Southfield        Beverly Hills
1025                Southfield        Ferndale
1188                Southfield        Royal Oak
1701                Southfield        Detroit
2224                Southfield        Detroit
2960                Southfield        Seaholm
3414                Southfield        Farmington
3548                Southfield        Royal Oak
4680                Southfield        Detroit
4840                Southfield        Redford twsp
4854                Southfield        Detroit
5008                Southfield        Detroit
5014                Southfield        Detroit
5239                Southfield        Harper Woods
5252                Southfield        Detroit
20150266        Southfield        Detroit
20150271        Southfield        Detroit
1254                St. Joseph        St Lawrence
1940                St. Joseph        Benton Harbor
2474                St. Joseph        Dowagiac
2959                St. Joseph        Coloma
3452                St. Joseph        Berrien Springs
3509                St. Joseph        Niles
3620                St. Joseph        St Joseph
4237                St. Joseph        Stevensville
4409                St. Joseph        Benton Harbor
4855                St. Joseph        South Haven
5056                St. Joseph        Buchanan
5069                St. Joseph        Edwardsburg
5182                St. Joseph        Dowagiac
5246                St. Joseph        Hartford
20150265        St. Joseph        Three Oaks
1596                Traverse City        Sault Ste Marie
1711                Traverse City        Traverse City
1896                Traverse City        Traverse City
2246                Traverse City        Johannesburg
3537                Traverse City        Indian River
3603                Traverse City        Reed City
3618                Traverse City        Petoskey
3639                Traverse City        Mesick
3688                Traverse City        Suttons Bay
3767                Traverse City        Traverse City
3886                Traverse City        Traverse City
4376                Traverse City        Charlevoix
4377                Traverse City        Boyne City
4398                Traverse City        Traverse City
4983                Traverse City        Mancelona
4988                Traverse City        Cedarville
5072                Traverse City        DeTour Village
5086                Traverse City        Cadillac
5110                Traverse City        Elk Rapids
5175                Traverse City        Pickford
5183                Traverse City        Gaylord
5213                Traverse City        St. Ignace
5223                Traverse City        Hillman
5230                Traverse City        Alpena
5247                Traverse City        East Jordan
5314                Traverse City        Pellston
20150157        Traverse City        Onaway
20150230        Traverse City        Bellaire
20150283        Traverse City        Roscommon
201                Troy                Rochester
217                Troy                Sterling Heights
226                Troy                Troy
245                Troy                Rochester
469                Troy                Bloomfield Hills
1718                Troy                Armada
2604                Troy                Capac
2851                Troy                Shelby Township
3302                Troy                Clawson
3539                Troy                Romeo
3667                Troy                Port Huron
4130                Troy                Richmond
4384                Troy                Troy
4810                Troy                Clinton Twsp
4961                Troy                Almont
5046                Troy                Memphis
5048                Troy                Imlay City
5167                Troy                Marysville
20150096        Troy                Rochester Hills
1                Waterford        Pontiac
27                Waterford        Clarkston
33                Waterford        Pontiac
51                Waterford        Pontiac
67                Waterford        Milford
68                Waterford        Brandon
302                Waterford        Lake Orion
308                Waterford        Walled Lake
2137                Waterford        Oxford
2612                Waterford        Waterford
2834                Waterford        Bloomfield Hills
3098                Waterford        Waterford
3538                Waterford        Avondale
4737                Waterford        West Bloomfield
5053                Waterford        Waterford
74                West Michigan        Holland
85                West Michigan        Zeeland
107                West Michigan        Holland
141                West Michigan        Holland
216                West Michigan        Grandville
244                West Michigan        Grandville
288                West Michigan        Grandville
858                West Michigan        Wyoming
904                West Michigan        Grand Rapids
1918                West Michigan        Fremont
2075                West Michigan        Grand Rapids
2405                West Michigan        Fruitport
2771                West Michigan        Kentwood
3234                West Michigan        Lowell
3357                West Michigan        Grand Rapids
3458                West Michigan        Holland
3546                West Michigan        Grand Haven
3572                West Michigan        Norton Shores
3875                West Michigan        Kentwood
4003                West Michigan        Allendale
4004                West Michigan        Muskegon
4337                West Michigan        Holton
4405                West Michigan        Plymouth
4956                West Michigan        Whitehall
4967                West Michigan        Belmont
5162                West Michigan        Big Rapids
5173                West Michigan        Fenneville
5255                West Michigan        Muskegon Heights
5316                West Michigan        Saranac
20150016        West Michigan        Grand Rapids
20150178        West Michigan        Coopersvielle
20150198        West Michigan        Big Rapdis
20150255        West Michigan        Grand Rapids
280                Woodhaven        Taylor
815                Woodhaven        Allen Park
2620                Woodhaven        Southgate
2676                Woodhaven        Ecorse
3604                Woodhaven        Brownstown
4380                Woodhaven        Detroit
4838                Woodhaven        River Rouge
5050                Woodhaven        Carleton
5090                Woodhaven        Trenton
5263                Woodhaven        Riverview
20150179        Woodhaven        Grosse Ile


logank013 23-09-2015 07:22

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1496989)
This map is just a distance measurement of what is probably your "home" event (ie, the event closest to you). At initial signup (this Thursday) we get to accept or reject the home event. At second event signup, we get to pick any other one that has room.

For example, for the last two years and this year our home event is Escanaba and our second closest event is Traverse City. But last year (because shenanigans) we went to Kentwood as the non-home event. And this year, Traverse City being a week 6 is making us look at other options.

But no, there is no sub-districting (this map's subdistricts are for administrative purposes and have no bearing on teams).

Edit: Seeing you're from Indiana - having a map like this is nice because we have a metric ton more events than Indiana with a more interestingly shaped state.

Haha. Yeah. You guys have a lot more events than us. Our team is actually looking at going to an FiM event so that's why I was curious. So do the "home teams" in their "home district" have "first dibs" on that event if they have too many people sign up for that event? Like, I'd be guaranteed to go to my "home event" no matter what? Thanks

first3234 23-09-2015 07:56

Re: pic: Voronoi Diagram of Michigan Districts LP
 
According to what I understand is that FiM has first dibs on the events then out of district teams do after all Michigan teams have but a according to first this what they said on iter-district play for 2015 "FIRST will collaborate with FIRST HQ to fill any “open” district event spots with teams from other districts. An “open district spot” is defined as a spot that remains open after all teams in a district have had the opportunity to sign up for their two events plus any additional plays they desire."


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