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logank013 26-09-2015 20:54

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Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1497682)
In both the model I suggested and the one Nate suggested most Regional events would be identical to the way they are now. Noone is suggesting that you require every team go to more than one regional event.

But then, you need to qualify more than 6 teams per regional to the regional champs. Otherwise, you'd send everyone from the regional champs to world champs. It would be cool if they sent like 12 teams per regional to the regional champs. and sent half of the teams from regional champs to world champs. That would help filter out all the not so good teams that got to worlds through the regional model.

notmattlythgoe 26-09-2015 21:02

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Originally Posted by logank013 (Post 1497683)
But then, you need to qualify more than 6 teams per regional to the regional champs. Otherwise, you'd send everyone from the regional champs to world champs. It would be cool if they sent like 12 teams per regional to the regional champs. and sent half of the teams from regional champs to world champs. That would help filter out all the not so good teams that got to worlds through the regional model.

The number of teams that qualify for the regional championship could be tweaked. I didn't look at how many would qualify for the regional championship in total and how many would qualify for the world championship.

Doug Frisk 26-09-2015 21:32

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Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1497682)
In both the model I suggested and the one Nate suggested most Regional events would be identical to the way they are now. Noone is suggesting that you require every team go to more than one regional event.

Exactly what problem is this complex solution attempting to address and how does it address it?

Giantwalker 27-09-2015 00:56

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Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1497687)
Exactly what problem is this complex solution attempting to address and how does it address it?

I could be totally wrong here. But, I believe the intention of the Everywhere Else District is to solve the "problem" of two championships. The EED creates a championship-lite event for teams currently in the regional system. This would potentially allow for FIRST to focus on helping the district championships have the current level of inspiration of champs. While also maintaining the competitive atmosphere of the world championship that many on CD highly value.

To respond to the thread in general, I don't think outside of the DCMP and points that you could run the EED like a district at all. I think you would still likely have to maintain large regional events.Quite a few teams would still participate in only one of these regional style events(which is covered by doubling their points from that one event?).

Additionally I think the idea of the EED definitely has some serious positives and negatives to be considered. Some of which have been touched upon already in this thread.

On the plus side, the EED would provide teams currently in the regional system the opportunity to go to two world class events. It would create a more competitive world championship without sacrificing inspiration. And finally, the model would easily allow for regions to split off from the EED to form their own district and reap the full benefits of said split.

On the negative side, under the current cross district play rules, the EED would likely halt any teams from the current districts from playing at any of the current regional events. EED teams would have to pay more to get to the world championship(however they do also get more play time). Teams in the EED would not get the same benefits as they would in other districts. Some regional events might be considered unfair because of the differences in number of matches between events. And the DCMP and the district in general could easily turn into a logistical nightmare.

Overall I think it's a really Interesting idea. If anyone is willing I would be interested in seeing some of the calculations for how many teams you would need to send to EEDCMP and how many teams EEDCMP would have to send to champs. As well as what percentage of FRC would have to convert to districts to make the EEDCMP feasible (if any percentage at all).

Nate Laverdure 27-09-2015 14:54

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Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1497687)
Exactly what problem is this complex solution attempting to address and how does it address it?

Thanks for the question, but in this forum I'm going to decline to frame the proposal as a solution to some specific problem.

To Giantwalker's excellent summary above, I would only add these points as possible motivations for the proposal:

1. The Everywhere Else District allows local organizers to add new historically-district-style events to the competition calendar one at a time, rather than in bulk (as what is currently required when forming a new district out of whole cloth).

2. The Everywhere Else District empowers local event planners to choose the mode of competition that works best for the teams they serve. This preserves the role of the local FIRST affiliate partners in defining the look & feel of the events they produce.

3. I would suggest that while the *transition* from the current competition structure to the Everywhere Else District might be complex, the ultimate working system is more uniform and far simpler than the current structure. In the long term it eliminates the philosophical split between "regional teams" and "district teams" by universalizing the philosophies of the district model. It immediately allows all FRC teams (regardless of geography, regardless of density, regardless of local politics) to qualify for advanced competitions in approximately the same manner. Borders between districts eventually become largely irrelevant, as they only determine which DCMP teams would be assigned to.

Here are some numbers that hopefully add some depth to the proposal. This analysis is based on 2015 registration data.

Lil' Lavery 28-09-2015 16:46

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If you thought trying to book your travel to Championship after a week 5 regional win was tough before, just wait until nobody knows who qualified until after week 7. :rolleyes:


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