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AdamHeard

08-10-2015 17:32

Re: [FRC Blog] 2016 Radio Update

This is cheaper than I remember paying for the d-link (after logging in to AM to see price).

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

nuclearnerd

08-10-2015 17:44

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Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1499208)

Why would it need to plug into the MXP? You have 2 ports on the new radio. 1 port will be for the roboRio, but you could just plug a standard switch into the other port.

A couple of reasons - you could power the switch without additional wires, you are right next the the roborio ethernet port, so one length of cable can be very short, and it doesn't take up any more room on the belly pan or frame. In short, putting the switch on the MXP is not needed, but it's nice and tidy.

Foster

08-10-2015 18:24

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Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 1499193)

While nothing would prevent a team from posting the special price here, teams would be well advised to remember that if they make it EASY for people to give FIRST teams a special price, then they are likely to get special prices in the future.

If teams choose to make it a pain in the butt to give FIRST teams a special price, well, don't expect to get special prices in the future.

Jason

Exactly. Meet me on the corner with my Labview and NI dealers (Hey Foster, want a taste? FIRST snort is free, lets hook you up, we'll be your regular dealers, hey !) Buy Labview and NI stuff on the street, FIRST has a very sweet deal.

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Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1499210)

This may be the best thing since sliced bread and maybe I'm not seeing it, but it does seem a bit expensive to me as well.

$100 on a $5000 robot? Really? You'll blow that on expedited Fed-Ex shipping (*) in week 4.

It's a white box, buy three and deal with it. It's October and you now now the footprint (aprox 2^pear's across) ** is out in the open. Yay you.

For those that need 2^12 ports, let me direct you to the Cisco Product line, but I think weight may be a problem..

(*) Fed Ex is an amazing sponsor, no disrespect intended.
(**) Not good, next we will see the FRC field is 168 standard pears long. For years the world has gone with metric bananas for size and yet the Americans stick to the out dated pear.

headlight

08-10-2015 20:24

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The power over ethernet might be kinda neat. Might be possible to make a breakout plug so the radio and roborio can be powered from an offboard power source without a battery in the robot, being able to deploy code through battery swaps or power loss might be somewhat useful. Are there any other relevant PoE devices?

I wonder how much of an impact the firmware will have on teams.

Sperkowsky

08-10-2015 21:13

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Are we going to get these every year in the KOP. If so it looks like in a few years our robotics room is getting a fancy new router. :p

EricH

08-10-2015 21:20

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Originally Posted by Sperkowsky (Post 1499245)

Are we going to get these every year in the KOP. If so it looks like in a few years our robotics room is getting a fancy new router. :p

Generally speaking, control system components are only given to all teams in the KOP when they change/are new. This is a change, therefore all teams get one. After the first round of that, they will (in general) only go to rookies in the KOP--though I wouldn't find it inconceivable for them to crop up in FIRST Choice or for sale at AndyMark in addition to any other places they'd be sold commercially.

sraque

08-10-2015 21:23

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Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1499198)

Smaller is good. Looks like its a 12v router which means it will need to be wired to the other side of the VRM,

We ran one of these at IRI. I am pretty sure we did not need to rewire anything. We just pulled off the DLINK and put this one on.

-Steve

thatnameistaken

08-10-2015 21:29

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1499246)

I believe veterans received routers in the KOP the past 2 years despite being the same model from 2013.

EmileH

08-10-2015 21:33

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This router supports PoE, so in theory if later versions of the RoboRIO supported being able to inject power into the ethernet cables (or had a setting to do so in the webdash), you could save yourself the additional wiring and hassle of a power cable into the VRM altogether, another perk over the DLink router.

Sperkowsky

08-10-2015 21:35

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1499246)

call me crazy but I feel like I saw a radio in the 2014 and 2015 KOP.
For all I know it could have been from First Choice. I started caring about robotics a lot more around the beginning of the build season last year.

I do remember convincing my mentor to put the Nvidia Quadro k4000 as the top pick on last years FChoice which wasnt hard since hes as big of a hardware geek as I am. Seriously though why was a $1,200 gpu only 200 points.

EricH

08-10-2015 21:35

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Originally Posted by thatnameistaken (Post 1499248)

I believe veterans received routers in the KOP the past 2 years despite being the same model from 2013.

Last year, it was in there. That being said, last year also featured a new control system, when it would make sense to give out the entire system rather than just the new parts.

thatnameistaken

08-10-2015 21:39

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1499252)

Last year, it was in there. That being said, last year also featured a new control system, when it would make sense to give out the entire system rather than just the new parts.

I also distinctly remember getting it in 2014... am I just crazy? :confused:

EDIT: I looked it up, and we did get routers in 2014. Along with a decent amount of the control system, actually. http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...4-kit-of-parts

EricH

08-10-2015 21:43

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Originally Posted by thatnameistaken (Post 1499253)

I also distinctly remember getting it in 2014... am I just crazy? :confused:

Or I could be. I don't remember hearing about it being given out to non-rookies between '09 and '12, so it could have been a policy change after Einstein 2012.

Whippet

08-10-2015 21:45

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1499254)

Or I could be. I don't remember hearing about it being given out to non-rookies between '09 and '12, so it could have been a policy change after Einstein 2012.

I can confirm. My team was a rookie in 2012, and we currently have 4 radios, and we have never had the budget to warrant purchasing another one.

Sperkowsky

08-10-2015 21:50

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Originally Posted by thatnameistaken (Post 1499253)

That's quite odd. It looks like everything is there except for the Rio. Did they just decide to give all that stuff to us so they didn't have a lot left over after the control system switch.

That's not something that normally happens right?

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