Security at regionals.
 

I want to remind everyone of the not so desirable visitors that we get at the Regionals. Each year stuff goes missing by low lifes who pray on our competition. I wish that F.I.R.S.T. would have more security at the Regionals by not alowing any one other than team members in the pit area. If there were visitors who had a genuine interest in the competition then they could be escorted by team members.
A word of advice to every one.
DONT leave stuff out in clear view.
NEVER leave your booth area un-atended, if you have a game ask your next door neighbor to watch your booth while your gone offer to do the same for them when its their turn.
If you see any one walking out of a booth thats not in a team uniform ask what hes doing, if hes honest he will answer you.
Call security if in doubt.
Lets have a theft free competition this year.
Nick237

The problem with the team member only system is how do you know who is a member and who isn't? After all some teams don't have uniforms and not everyone gets their ASME cards in time for some of the events (or they leave them behind). The best way to handle thefts in my opinion is to do what my team did. After you unpack you tools puts all of the coats, hats, etc., in the empty tool boxes and put wire ties or locks on them. This way if someone tries to take your stuff it would take them a few minutes and attract a lot of attention to themselves.

Whoa!!! Not let non-team members into the pits??? Personally I'd never want to go along with that. For example, in Philly last year, our team only sent a small group to compete. We went out to pizza late Thursday night and got to talking to the pizza man. Sure enough, he and his son stopped by the pits the next day so he could show his son all the neat robots. Now if we had to sign him in or anything like that, the experience never would have happened. Basically just keep an eye on your stuff and always try to have one person from your team stay in the pits at all times.

~Tom Fairchild~, who loved having the pizza man stop by.

Let's not get upset about something just because of a different opinion. I thank Nick for his reminder to be cautious during the competitions, and also for his suggestions on possible solutions. Security last year was an issue -- I hear stories from a number of teams not only about stolen tools, but more expensive things such as cameras and laptop computers. While I do not like the idea of letting only team members in the pit area, that is only my opinion. I think the best solution is the main point of Nick's post -- just keep in mind that your stuff might be taken if it is left unattended.

Patrick

Crappy Words???
 

Carolyn... Let me "enlighten" you to a personal expierience that happened at our Regional 2 years ago in Hartford CT. Our Team had the H.E.R.O. booth (Helping Every Robot Organization ). We had a booth full of Spare parts and Materials and these Parts were available to any team that was in need. Our motto was "Need a part Take a part, Got a Part Give a Part".
We found out that many of the new teams were compeeting on a Bare Budget and could not afford Tools so we set up a Tool Loan System. I personaly Bought $1000 worth of new Tools for this use. Every Tool Borrowed was immidiatly returned, we never lost a single item.
For three days every thing went well, in fact the Idea was so popular that we were noticed by the Judges for our effort. We were awarded the Team Spirit Award.
While we were on stage being awarded the Team Spirit Trophy some one decided to Take our Tools, The Tools were In a Very large Trunk and took Two People to move it. Every Team member at our Regional benifited from our H.E.R.O. booth and I dont believe for a minute that it was taken by one of them.
At that same competition one team lost a LapTop, another lost cameras so what kind of CRAPPY words would you use to describe a THIEF.
I dont mince words. The whole Idea of my post was to inform and remind. When your at the competition its easy to get caught up in the Hype and Excitement and things do get left out for all to see. Not every one is as Trusting as you and its great that you have never been a victim.
My post was a reminder to the older and more Expierienced Teams and a Heads up to the Rookie Teams.
Accusing me and others of having "HALF A BRAIN" for leaving Valuable stuff out was not called for and totaly out of order, However if you would like to soften the taste this left in my mouth then I would be happy to except your Check for my Personal losses ($1000.00).
Nick237

I am sorry to hear that Nick. Our team has had bad experiences in the past, and we say, "Anything you bring to the competition, you keep with you for the entire competition." I was really shocked that someone could move a whole tool box without anyone noticing. However our team lost a digital camera that was a gift to us. Which was pretty bad. It is always the sad truth that a couple of students would steal.

I always wanted FIRST to provide us with a "lock box" (a real one, not Al Gore's), or at least rent out lockers for the day. Our team always has at least a guy in the pits at all times, and if they weren't that everything would be locked up. Another thing, I think would be nice, but would never happen, is having security cameras in the pits and view them in the competition area, to see any suspicious activity.

Kyle. Im sorry to hear of your loss too but I dont believe that any student would steal from another team. If you look at how much is stolen from teams at the Nationals compared to whats taken at a Regional you will see a vast difference.
The Regionals are a magnet for Locals to come and pick up any free stuff lying around, at the Regionals any one can enter and walk around. At the Nationals the only people walking around that are not team members are Tourists who happen to be also in Florida.
At the Regionals we should have some Security but the only people who are working at these events are in the stands watching the games or they are no where to be seen at all.
We had several Cars broken into while parked in the parking lot in Hartford, where was the Security and why werent they doing their job?.
The teams pay to be in the regionals and should expect some sort of protection from "LOW LIFES". I call a thief a thief because thats what he is, I dont believe he does what he does because he had a hard up bringing or was abused in a past life but some bleeding heart Liberals would forgive these thieves because of some excuse or another. These are the people who have never been robbed or injured by some poor miss guided "LOW LIFE".
Nick237

I don't know...
 

I'm not so sure that not a single team member would ever steal anything from another team's pit. Sure, I wouldn't, nor would anyone on my team (I think), but sadly it is possible. Gracious Professionalism might not be top priority on the mind's of some team members - perhaps getting the tool to fix the robot is. Further, speaking for my team, we bring quite a few specialty tools that an average 'local' probably would have no use for - and I don't know if the 'thrill' of stealing would get them to take whatever it is.
This year, my team got a sponsorship from Airline Hydraulics for BOSCH parts for a pit area. Included in the design of one of the tables is a locking door. Yeah, its on wheels (legs extend to hold secure), but I don't think anyone will be wheeling off this 6x2 table:)
Thanks for the heads up Mr. Reynolds.

Pit Security
 

Pit area security is truly bad during the award ceremonies. Last year at Philly (2001) we were all the way down there in 44th place (And those of you that were there will remember that there were 45 teams in attendance. Our bot may have been simple and junky looking, but it was not totally our fault that we got 44th; it was the two matches we had back to back that scored about a dozen points each due to robotic failures on the bridge by other teams that dropped us from 15th to 38th in ten minutes...), so we weren't competing in the finals. We boxed up all our stuff, locked the stuff that didn't fit in the robot crate that we closed up, and walked away. I took the laptop we had and went to watch the remaining matches and the finals, and save all of our pictures to the hard disk and play a little Starcraft. The laptop bag that I left at our pit was mysteriously gone when we got back, stolen. Luckily, only the battery charger and a serial cable were in there, so I didn't lose anything I didn't have an extra one of, but thievery still occurred. One of the teams in a nearby booth lost two laptops, though. Goes to show you what some people will do while they are somewhere they don't belong.

Yikes. It's amazing how heated arguements get in here.

Anyway...maybe my team is lucky but we've never had anything taken. Maybe because we always have several adults and students at our pit (mainly b/c we always seem to be working on fixing our bot). I don't know. We have just learned that if you want to keep anything of your own that's costly in the pit, you give it to the designated adult who's job is to hold onto cameras or whatever. It's always worked well. I really don't know what to say besides the general hold onto what's not cheap to replace or don't bring it at all.

My Turn to clear a few things.
You said.
1) ***Losing $1000. isn't something to leave a good taste in anyones mouth but it couldn't have been bad enough to turn you off from FIRST. ***
Where did you come up with me being TURNED OFF FROM F.I.R.S.T. No where did I say I was turned OFF from F.I.R.S.T. in my innocent post giving warning to those who might have forgotten or be newbies.
2) ***I did say this "if you have half a brain you dont leave anything valuable sitting around."***
Your use of the word "YOU" is used twice in the above statement, yes I took it to mean ME.
3) ***And maybe stolen tools are the result of borrowing and not getting returned (not intentionally)." I hope that is not where your bleeding heart liberal comment came from.***
The Bleeding Heart Liberal came form your objection to me calling thieves "LOW LIFES", Your words were...I must frown on your crappy choice of words. Believe me the words that I wanted to call these "Crappy Low Lifes" Would Positivly not be worthy of posting here.
Lastly.
4) ***not allowing non team members into pits would be disasterous to FIRST.
Let me tell you some thing, the first time a visitor get injured in the pit in any part of the Regionals F.I.R.S.T. will have all the publicity it can ever want, and 10 seconds after that "ALL" visitors will cease being alowed into the pit area publicity or no publicity. We all know how hectic it is in the pits and thats with teams that reasonably know whats going on but visitors have no clue.
Some one being seriously hurt in the pit area is a disaster waiting to happen.
So I propose this Idea, There are a couple of hours on Thursday in the morning and lunch times. Also there is a period of time on Saturday when no Robots are being moved about these would be ideal times for Visitors to walk around and talk to teams.
If SME can put out ID Cards then why cant F.I.R.S.T. No one would be alowed in the pit area with out one on and this would also releeve some of the confusion in the pits. I dont think there is any one who has not had a toe, shin or elbow contact another teams robot while trying to get to the staging area for their next game.
so thats my .02c
nick237

the same things are being repeated and its kinda getting personal and out of hand. maybe this one should be locked, brandon :eek:

:eek: I second the motion.....

Sure he could lock it

or

maybe some people could bury the hatchet and come up with ways to stop thieves while still sharing the spirit of FIRST

or

we could use this thread to beg Dean to stop the visitors all together

I leave it up to you

Ok, ok

I dont know about you guys, but I hear more and more bitterness in each additional post. Lock the thread.

I think that we are all getting a little to emotional here. It is not FIRSTS responsibility to take care of your stuff, nor should it be. You just need to keep a sign in/out list for tools and just look after your stuff. And yes every team needs a locking tool box.

Security
 

Ok this is what my team does

First off the team is divided into two different parts for the competition Drive Team and Scout Team. The Drive Team is the only people allowed in the pits consists of six students and 8-10 adults 6-8 engineers. People on the Scouting team stay in the bleachers and are not allowed in the pits at the beginning of the competition they can go in the pits to scout before the competition starts. When we compete there is always 2 adults at the pit watching our stuff and like 8 adults up in the bleachers watching are stuff with the rest of the team.

One other general suggestion would be bring only the stuff you need at the competion with you. For example I've seen teams with like 4 labtops running around. There is no need for 4 labtops. In fact I don't truly understand the need for labtops in the FIRST place other than if you need to program your robot with it but that should already be done.

Anyways that is my little rant on this whole security issue

If you have a glitch in your programming (or all of a sudden, the robot doesn't want to work), then the labtop can save a competition for you. You know things always go wrong no matter how many times it works before hand. But you are right on one thing: you don't need 4 with you. One should be enough, and as long as someone has it with them at all times, you should be set.

Last year at Nationals, my team elected not to have our crate removed from the pit area. Instead, we pushed it in the corner and used it for storage. Every time our pit area was empty, we would take all items of any significant value and lock them up in the crate. We have done this many times in the past and have never had anything stolen (except for the robotic dog, but that's another story entirely....)

I thought teams were required to have their crate removed from the pit area? That's how it seemed to me last year at the Sillicon Valley regional. There certenly wasn't enough space to keep it in the "pit" area, and there weren't many "corners" to slide it into... How'd you work that out? I love the idea!

How did you manage that?
 

We would have loved to keep our crate at the Nationals and both regionals we attended. But we were told that removal was REQUIRED. So we kept our tool boxes locked when not in use and everybody was responsible for their own stuff. Especially the laptops.

As a side note, it is a good idea to have people in your pit at ALL times. Last year we just happened to have our student marketing lead on duty in the pits when the judges came by. Everyone else was out watching us compete. I'm not saying it won us the Xerox award, but it probably didn't hurt to have somebody who knew the robot inside and out and could talk about it confidently there. The judges were impressed by our concept, so we might have won anyway.

The judges, and other teams looking for alliance partners for that matter, come when they come, if you don't have somebody in the pit you are missing an opportunity to make a good impression.

Just another little tip from Team 330's "Unwritten Rules of FIRST"

Re: How did you manage that?
 

Last year at Nationals, my team (271) kept our crate in our pit area. We didn't move it, we just left it where it was. What ended up happening with that, was the table was in the back of the pit, and the crate was on the left hand side. There was a lil gap (corner) that was made between the table and crate and that's where we put our stuff (when there was someone around) since it was a bit difficult to get into and you would notice if someone was trying to take something from it. Honestly, with the lack of seating available, my seat was on top of the crate and that's how I answered any questions by scouts or judges or whatnot. It also kinda kept me and the interviewers out of the way of anyone actually doing anything in the pit. So, I guess it isn't required to remove your crate, at least we didn't.

~Christina

We've always kept our crate in the pit, not only to lock things up in but it also has mounts for a vice, drill press. ect. quite a handy idea, teams always come to use it. Crates can be great accessories to the pit.

Laptops, Crates, and Locks, Oh My!
 

1. Laptops are useful for multiple things: Programming, reprogramming, and perfecting programming. (Oh, and goofing off playing Starcraft, but that's a whoe other discussion...) They definitely should be something every team brings to their competitions. If your program has a button misassigned, there's a good chance you won't notice it until it counts, and it helps to be able to fix it on the spot. That's a lesson learned the hard way.

2. Crates are very, very useful to keep at your pit. You can lock parts in them and use them as an extra workbench - very nice.

3. LOCK EVERYTHING WITH MATCHING PADLOCKS! Make sure you have a padlock for everything, and, if possible, have them all be the same key. Give every team member a key and make them wear it with their SME card. This makes life a lot easier.

And here's a song to the tune of Opera Man's Concert for NYC bit.

Oh, Mr. Nick Renolds...
Why are you so angry? Can't you put the past behind - where it belongs? So, you lost some tools - and a laptop - but that doesn't mean you have to chew out every-one! Visitors are nice, visitors are great, but the way you portray them is that they are all thieves! Change your POV - your perspective - and take the mirror angle of your big long rant. Pretend you're a spectator. And you like all the bots. But there's a guy saying you're a thief. And you overhear it. Do you get ticked off? Yes you do, cause you're probably not! They're not all thieves! How would you like if someone called you one? You need to calm down and listen to yourself once in a while! Now I'll end my sond with three words: Lock it, Brandon!

Dan. Your last post was informative, constuctive and had some great points that would aid many teams, I applaud your post.
The song however was not neccesary and just full of non-sensical clap trap. Music and poetry is not your forte but up till then you were doing good.
My original post is totaly innocent and didnt deserve to be flamed on, it was my oppinion for security and a heads up reminder... Thats all.

Brandon... If you would like to lock or remove this entire thread then I have no problem with you doing this, possibly we should have a censorship team who would be responsible for passing thoughts and ideas prior to being posted.
Any Volunteers......:confused:

Hold it, Nick
 

Woah, Nick, listen to the song again. There is a point in there, and it's clear. You portray visitors as criminals, thieves waiting for you to step away so that they can take your precious tools and laptops. That is something that visitors are definitely not. Visitors are people interested enough in robots to come back to see how they work outside of the matches. They may even be more interested in robots than you are. You are a pathetic person, Nick, to stereotype all visitors by a singular hunch that a few people not personally involved in the FIRST competition stole a couple thousand dollars worth of stuff from your unattended booth.

ugh, this really is getting out of hand now. FIRST will not survive without visitors. and i NEVER leave any of my personal things of value in the pits alone. i will always give my digital camera to a teamate to watch. and the chances are that the stuff stolen was from someone not connected with the FIRST community. there are lots of JERKS in this world who would do something like stealing from a bunch of HS school kids.

LESSON: DON'T LEAVE ANYTHING OF VALUE IN YOUR PITS UNATTENDED
(sorry for the caps, it had to be done)

my $.03


Brandon, please lock this before someone says somthing that they wish they hadn't. :eek:

I second the motion to lock. This was a good idea, but I forsee this getting more out of hand than it already is.

What's wrong with a little spirited debate? It hasn't gotten that out of hand.

Oh, and our crate opens up into a workbench. We keep it in our pit.

not again
 

Once people start to come up with ideas to stop thieves in the pits someone has to ruin it by saying something that's not necessary. So fine forget it

lock the thread

Great post David and I agree with you 100%. We are easy pickings for some oppertunists who will take advantage of our excitement and lax attitude.
In reply to what every one might think I NEVER said that "EVERY ONE" who visits is a thief. Our team didnt loose a laptop or any other equipment other than a Trunk full of tools, That includes the Steel Trunk that they took too.
The Trunk needed a dolly to move it as it was so heavy and it wasnt in our pit it was between the pit area and the auditorium about 10' from the F.I.R.S.T. booth.
As for you DAN you must be from another planet, You said......"you portray visitors as criminals, thieves waiting for you to step away so that they can take your precious tools and laptops. That is something that visitors are definitely not"............ "WHOA" are you for real, what do you think they do ask permission to take people stuff.
If you dont believe that a Visitor takes things at F.I.R.S.T. regionals then you are concluding that it must be Team or Teams that steal, and that I dont believe for a second, unless you know some thing your not telling.
Next time you try to get on an airplane, you remember to tell the security people that your only a visitor and there for searching you and your belongings is not neccesary. Try singing it im sure they will let you walk straight on board, Your naivety and trusting ways will get you far. By the way DAN there is NO Santaclaus but the TOOTH FAIRY is Real.





:p :o

Likes ..... Dislikes ......
 

The only think that gripes me about this thread is the constant pleas to "Lock the Thread".

It seems to me that this is a valid subject and if you don't agree with the subject material, exercise your right as a member of a free society and don't read the thread. As long as a thread doesn't violate any posting policies, it should remain intact. It seems Brandon has made the call already.

My 2 cents


It will be nice when the season starts and all we have time for is asking questions and helping each other ........

Ed steps from the soapbox ..... :confused:

Our crate...
 

Team 5's crate doubled as our "work-bench" too! We just lifted the top box, made of aluminum, and there was the robot. 2 years ago, it just fit in there perfectly, with 2 straps. Last year, we had to get our robot in there a little diaginal with, I think, 4 straps to help hold it down. The bottom box was made out of aluminum w/ go-cart wheels, so when we raced down to the playing field from doing our last modifications in the pit, and we had 2 doors, pad-locked. We could fit ALL our tools, labtops, personal items (clothes, food, cameras, etc...) so we didn't have anything stoled. :) If u are near our pit, and u need to store something, just ask us!! (Well, at-least me...)

The picture was taken when we won the Motrola Quality Award, Sarah, our 2nd in charge driver, is holding it in front. I am the dork behind the robot, in-between the arms...

Last year at nationals my team's advisor had his laptop stolen during the final ceremonies. No sooner did we notice that, when a few teams started to come by our pit area and tell us that they too had laptops and video camera's stolen. Nothing was ever found, because of the point stated many times already: how to distinguish a theif from a FIRST person? There's NO way to do it! People all look the same. Now unless they came in with guns and ski masks then nobody could tell the difference. Obviously people should follow Carolines rule of thumb and NOT leave their stuff all over the place, but I do think that since the national competition and all the regionals are such big events, and require a lot of technical equipment, that there should be some form of security. I dont know how they could go about doing this, but even after 9-11, what security measures are being taken?

umm, yeah
 

Good advise to new teams and a good reminder to us vets.

Watch your stuff.
If a team around you isn't there, watch their stuff.
If something is stolen, the day is that much dimmer, but the day goes on.

I think it'd be great to mount one of those 3 in 1 machines to a crate so we could have a little milling machine/ lathe/ drill press in the pits.

-smokescreen (who hopes not to be emotionally referred to in following posts)

yea, from previous experiences, i second that...btw, i was reading the manual today, and it specifically states to not leave valuable stuff around. i think a lot of people just assume everybody at FIRST is honest, when in reality, u can't trust anybody. so watch ur stuff guys, and dont leave it sitting on the tables :)

Security
 

Hey all, I've been reading this thread with quite a bit of interest. I'm one of the regional directors for the Lone Star Regional so I can understand the problem there is with the issue of theft.
What can I tell you? We are very concerned with the idea that cameras, tools, equipment and laptops sprout legs and walk off with someone they don't belong to and believe me, F.I.R.S.T. takes it all very seriously. (Plus it's embarassing to have things stolen at "my" regional event, that makes it very personal.)
As part of our deterrent process we have security personnel and we have rules that are meant to protect the pit area. Logistics prevent us from leaving crates in the pits, but crates can act as a screen for someone to lift an item unseen.
Yes we could limit access to the pits, but in the end, we can't strip search everyone who enters or leave and short of that we could never be 100% sure nothing will get misplaced.
I think many of the suggestions that were made are good and help with the overall problem. I would add, MARK your stuff clearly. It makes it less attractive and easier to spot. Help us by watching out for each other and don't leave computers, cameras, tools or $20 bills where some misguided soul might be tempted.
ALSO please follow the local regional's rules (with smiles please). Some of them are inconvinient but they are part of the security procedures. I won't tell EVERYTHING we do for security or why for obvious reasons, but we spend a lot of money on security that I wish we could spend on the regional events.
Just wanted to let you all know, that we WILL do everything practical to prevent theft, but you all need to watch out for yourselves as well.

Thanks! Off my soapbox now...



Steve Alaniz



"Forget it... I already feel like my life is a comic strip" - Sally Forth

I think the best way to avoid the problem of getting all your valueable stuff stolen is prevention. Keep it locked up. While some regionals do have good security (The LA regional, for instance had several LAPD officers there at all times walking through the pits and numerous rent-a-cops as well, and the Silicoln Valley regional had CSU San Jose Police at it at all times) However, security and the police, no matter how numerous and hard working they are can not be everywhere at once. While one would like to think that everyone at a FIRST competetion is an honest, law-abiding person, the truth is they are not.

I would encourage every team to keep a student in their pit at all times. Not only will this increase security, but it will increase awareness of your team when people stop by to look at your bot. It may even help you win an award if the judges stop by for a surprise visit.

Everyone should slso lock up their valueables when they go or simply take them with you. Simply locking one of the red or green crates with a tie wrap may be enough to keep your stuff from being stolen because it is not in plain view and theves like stuff that does not require any work to get too.

Because we are all in this together, i would hope all teams could also help by keeping an eye on their neighbor's pits. Sort of like a "neighborhood watch" program. This way if someone steals somehtign at least there is a witness. And if you do see anythign, call a FIRST official or police/security officer over to investigate.

While we can not stop theft, we can all do our part to reduce it by keeping our stuff safe and looking out for our neighbor.

I would tend to agree with Nick R...Have faith, folks. With a little teamwork we can all watch out for eachother, And when the atmosphere in the pits is that of 'Neighborhood (sp?) watch', I think that's all the discouragment a would-be laptop thief would need

Crate or Toolbox sizes
 

During the 2001 nationals award ceremony, I left my backpack at the pit area. It was stolen along with the laptop in it. (Stupid on my part.)

I think that closing off the pit area is NOT a reasonable solution.

I think FIRST should give us a more specific size of our pit area so that we can keep our shipping crate w/lock OR bring our own large locking toolbox. The only info on pit sizes/restrictions that I have seen have been indecisive and vauge.

I think that keeping your crate or having a large locking box would be the best solution. It would not be very fun to have to stand guard over my team's equipment during the award ceremony outside.

Teams, it would also be a good idea to ask your neighboring teams to watch your pit area if it is ever unattended.

I'm sorry, in a way, to post to this thread after so many days of peaceful inactivity. Unfortunately, although many pieces of good advice were repeated many times to ensure agreement, a couple key issues were left unaddressed:

1. Nick's theft of $1000 involved a large, heavy, locked crate, much more secure than a kit crate tied by a ziptie. If that was not safe, how can we rest with the main piece of advice being, "Lock things in big boxes or crates when you aren't with them?"

2. Nick's theft also occurred during the awards ceremony. It has been commonly and wisely suggested that someone be with your stuff at all times. This, in its manner, solves #1. However, I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that every team leave a member in the pits during the award ceremony. If so, no one has expressed it so clearly, and someone did say that this would be a bad thing. I think the answer to Nick's problem, as best as I can perceive it, is to have locked things under team guard as much as possible, but to essentially close the pits during the award ceremony. What need is there for visitors to go there then? If a team needs something from it, they can send someone who has an SME card.

This is just off the top of my head. What do other people think?

All I can say is.....it must have been a rough six weeks and everyones getting a little punchy and venting.

$.02

Both are Extremely good points.

I think closing the pits for the award ceremony is the best solutions. But I see the problems too:

The first few minutes after the awards ceremony, it's pretty much utter chaos in the pits when people start boxing up.

Also, To answer a teammate previous post in this thread.

Even our team has 2 or 3 laptops in the pit during the competition. We even had an LCD projector set up showing a slideshow on the wall. They definatly have a purpose, Even if it's dumping the pictures off your Digital camera cause you didn't buy the 64 meg card. (Or you did and you've already filled it up)

We just didn't leave any of this out in plain site when the owners weren't there. And to be clear, the laptops were their owner's responsiblity, not the teams.

Unfortuanly, As pointing out in the previous post, just locking in a large metal box isn't good enough. When you can just take the whole box.

However, I would hope that it would make it difficult enough that it wouldn't happen often.