Re: Prove my point
 

Posted by mike oleary at 05/09/2001 5:26 PM EST


Student on team #419, rambots, from bc high and...oh wait just bc high and hmmm...sponsors...thats a good idea.


In Reply to: Re: Prove my point
Posted by Jeff W. on 05/08/2001 10:35 PM EST:



it may be that in the world of businesses there is always gonna be copying and stealing of other peoples intellectual property...but why would you do something if it wouldnt mean profits to you. microsoft takes macs idea and creates windows to make money. if it didnt make money they woulda dropped windows and stuck with dos. and the very fact that by stealing macintosh ideas microsoft make a profit is sorta indicative that what microsoft turned into windows, macs idea, is better then dos
also, wether or not microsoft does someday make something more powerful then the twin g4's is irrelevant cuz macintosh did it first...but lets play this game and pretend that it is relevant and that microsoft then makes a ton of money off it...then wouldnt 2 of microsoft's major products have been taken right from macintosh pretty much?
on an other note, microsoft always seems to be defending themselves in court: copyright infringements, monopolys, etc...never seem so see macintosh there
mike, who wonders why people prefer pcs, even though macs are more affordable, simpler to run/operate, and dont have that anoying tendency to crash

: Mikey. In the world of businesses, there will always be people copying each others ideas and stealing them.

: Also, Microsoft will creat something more powerful than the twin G4's pretty soon.

: MicroJeff

Figure out what you're talking about
 

Posted by Matt Leese at 05/09/2001 6:08 PM EST


College Student on team #73, Tigerbolt, from Edison Technical HS and Alstom & Fiber Technologies & RIT.


In Reply to: Re: Prove my point
Posted by mike oleary on 05/09/2001 5:26 PM EST:



Methinks you need a lesson in who makes what. Intel
and AMD make processors that Microsoft's Windows
Operating System runs on (as well as other OSes
including Linux, OS/2, BeOS, etc.). Microsoft will
not ever make anything "faster" than a dual G4
because they don't make processors nor do they make
computers. Motorola makes the processor that Apple
uses in the computers they make. Apple also makes
the Macintosh OS. So let's look at competitors here.
Apple competes with Microsoft on software. Intel
and AMD compete with Motorola on hardware. You can
make software faster but normally you make software
slower by adding more features. You can also make
hardware faster. So really Intel and AMD don't make
anything faster than dual G4's (which is a claim I'd
debate -- speed is dependant on a lot of things
including what precisely you're doing and other
hardware besides the processor such as RAM, video
card, bus speed, hard drive speed, etc.). So at
least you can argue about the right things now...

Matt

Re: Prove my point
 

Posted by Patrick Dingle at 05/10/2001 10:26 AM EST


College Student on team #639, Red B^2, from Ithaca High School and Cornell University.


In Reply to: Re: Prove my point
Posted by mike oleary on 05/09/2001 5:26 PM EST:



This debate will all be irrelevent soon because of nanotechnology and the development of carbon tubes which can be used to make transistors incredibly small. and are only 1/10000 width of human hair. Invest in whatever company(s) are developing these.... not these old companies of the past!

Patrick

: it may be that in the world of businesses there is always gonna be copying and stealing of other peoples intellectual property...but why would you do something if it wouldnt mean profits to you. microsoft takes macs idea and creates windows to make money. if it didnt make money they woulda dropped windows and stuck with dos. and the very fact that by stealing macintosh ideas microsoft make a profit is sorta indicative that what microsoft turned into windows, macs idea, is better then dos
: also, wether or not microsoft does someday make something more powerful then the twin g4's is irrelevant cuz macintosh did it first...but lets play this game and pretend that it is relevant and that microsoft then makes a ton of money off it...then wouldnt 2 of microsoft's major products have been taken right from macintosh pretty much?
: on an other note, microsoft always seems to be defending themselves in court: copyright infringements, monopolys, etc...never seem so see macintosh there
: mike, who wonders why people prefer pcs, even though macs are more affordable, simpler to run/operate, and dont have that anoying tendency to crash

: : Mikey. In the world of businesses, there will always be people copying each others ideas and stealing them.

: : Also, Microsoft will creat something more powerful than the twin G4's pretty soon.

: : MicroJeff

Re: Prove my point
 

Posted by mike oleary at 05/10/2001 1:04 PM EST


Student on team #419, rambots, from bc high and...oh wait just bc high and hmmm...sponsors...thats a good idea.


In Reply to: Re: Prove my point
Posted by Patrick Dingle on 05/10/2001 10:26 AM EST:



maybe so...but macs are still better

: This debate will all be irrelevent soon because of nanotechnology and the development of carbon tubes which can be used to make transistors incredibly small. and are only 1/10000 width of human hair. Invest in whatever company(s) are developing these.... not these old companies of the past!

: Patrick

: : it may be that in the world of businesses there is always gonna be copying and stealing of other peoples intellectual property...but why would you do something if it wouldnt mean profits to you. microsoft takes macs idea and creates windows to make money. if it didnt make money they woulda dropped windows and stuck with dos. and the very fact that by stealing macintosh ideas microsoft make a profit is sorta indicative that what microsoft turned into windows, macs idea, is better then dos
: : also, wether or not microsoft does someday make something more powerful then the twin g4's is irrelevant cuz macintosh did it first...but lets play this game and pretend that it is relevant and that microsoft then makes a ton of money off it...then wouldnt 2 of microsoft's major products have been taken right from macintosh pretty much?
: : on an other note, microsoft always seems to be defending themselves in court: copyright infringements, monopolys, etc...never seem so see macintosh there
: : mike, who wonders why people prefer pcs, even though macs are more affordable, simpler to run/operate, and dont have that anoying tendency to crash

: : : Mikey. In the world of businesses, there will always be people copying each others ideas and stealing them.

: : : Also, Microsoft will creat something more powerful than the twin G4's pretty soon.

: : : MicroJeff

this will change nothing
 

Posted by Mike Corliss at 05/10/2001 2:32 PM EST


Student on team #419, Rambots, from BC High and :(.


In Reply to: Re: Prove my point
Posted by Patrick Dingle on 05/10/2001 10:26 AM EST:



I think that even with this crazy new technology, the
current computer powers will remain, because they'll
probably the ones implementing this, because they can
afford to make it affordable

and it doesn't change the fact that right now, Macs
whoop the patootie out of pcs

Macs-will-have-their-day-very-soon

Re: this will change nothing
 

Posted by Patrick Dingle at 05/10/2001 5:02 PM EST


College Student on team #639, Red B^2, from Ithaca High School and Cornell University.


In Reply to: this will change nothing
Posted by Mike Corliss on 05/10/2001 2:32 PM EST:



You can debate over macs vs. PCs *or* macOS vs. Windows vs. UNIX, but the fact is, Bill Gates owns a heck of a lot of Apple stock (I think about 10%). Remember, Microsoft products are one of the most popular software on Macs as well. And most Mac users I know run Windows emulators. Plus, I don't see any Mac-sponsored FIRST teams out there......

Patrick

: I think that even with this crazy new technology, the
: current computer powers will remain, because they'll
: probably the ones implementing this, because they can
: afford to make it affordable

: and it doesn't change the fact that right now, Macs
: whoop the patootie out of pcs

: Macs-will-have-their-day-very-soon

Re: this will change nothing
 

Posted by Matt Leese at 05/10/2001 6:17 PM EST


College Student on team #73, Tigerbolt, from Edison Technical HS and Alstom & Fiber Technologies & RIT.


In Reply to: Re: this will change nothing
Posted by Patrick Dingle on 05/10/2001 5:02 PM EST:



And I don't see any Microsoft sponsored ones either.
;) There was one last year however that was just
Microsoft employees, not Microsoft corporation (or so
I was told). I would however like to point out that
Motorola (that makes the G4) is a big sponsor of
FIRST. I do believe that Intel sponsors at least one
team as does Sun. So maybe we should all use Sun
workstations? I could agree to that. ;)

Matt

few things:
 

Posted by Mike Corliss at 05/10/2001 10:45 PM EST


Student on team #419, Rambots, from BC High and :(.


In Reply to: Re: this will change nothing
Posted by Patrick Dingle on 05/10/2001 5:02 PM EST:



1 I don't know about this crazy windows emulator,
because i personally have never seen or heard of
one until now. but I assume that if such
rediculosities exist, it's because people want to
use pc software on a mac computer, which in and
of itself is a foolish plan
2 if i was loaded like bill gates and as money
grubbing as he is, i would buy up large portions of
good companies too.
and
3 microsoft software is popular because it is a
monopoly and can put other software companies
out of business, leaving consumers with little or no
choice.

Mike hates Bill

Re: few things:
 

Posted by mike oleary at 05/11/2001 1:36 PM EST


Student on team #419, rambots, from bc high and...oh wait just bc high and hmmm...sponsors...thats a good idea.


In Reply to: few things:
Posted by Mike Corliss on 05/10/2001 10:45 PM EST:



about that 'rediculosity'...it seems even more foolish since windows is essentially a mac-emulator in and of itself...therefore a windows emulator is basically a thing that lets you knock off a knock off of what youre already running...

: 1 I don't know about this crazy windows emulator,
: because i personally have never seen or heard of
: one until now. but I assume that if such
: rediculosities exist, it's because people want to
: use pc software on a mac computer, which in and
: of itself is a foolish plan
: 2 if i was loaded like bill gates and as money
: grubbing as he is, i would buy up large portions of
: good companies too.
: and
: 3 microsoft software is popular because it is a
: monopoly and can put other software companies
: out of business, leaving consumers with little or no
: choice.

: Mike hates Bill

Re: that's a good idea
 

Posted by mike oleary at 05/07/2001 9:38 PM EST


Student on team #419, rambots, from bc high and sponsors are overrated..go pocket-change robots!!!.


In Reply to: Re: that's a good idea
Posted by Ameya Agaskar on 05/07/2001 5:39 PM EST:



whats wrong with macs???
if macs werent so simple, people would like them, but just because theyre easy to use and stuff people are like 'macs are user friendly...computer illiterates can pretty much handle them...so if i use one ill be labled a moron...id better get a pc'
mike who likes macs

: : Hmmmmm... change that crazy page...good plan. mine
: : goes to msn.com, which is the site of a company i
: : despise insanely, those un-american *bleep*s. steve
: : jobs for president!

: : iM

: "The best way to accelerate a Macintosh is at 9.8m/sec/sec."
: -Marcus Dolengo

Re: that's a good idea
 

Posted by mike oleary at 05/10/2001 1:07 PM EST


Student on team #419, rambots, from bc high and...oh wait just bc high and hmmm...sponsors...thats a good idea.


In Reply to: Re: that's a good idea
Posted by Ameya Agaskar on 05/07/2001 5:39 PM EST:



: "The best way to accelerate a Macintosh is at 9.8m/sec/sec."
: -Marcus Dolengo

one little quote sparked a monstrous debate...congrats to you, ameya agaskar, for starting all this, even if you are misguided in youre allusion that pc's are somehow superior to macs

Re: UGghhhh....
 

Posted by Lora Knepper at 05/06/2001 10:30 PM EST


Other on team #177, Bobcat Robotics - Adoptee, from South Windsor High School and International Fuel Cells.


In Reply to: UGghhhh....
Posted by Andrew Rudolph on 05/06/2001 7:03 PM EST:



www.chiefdelphi.com/wwwboard

Re: UGghhhh....
 

Posted by Joel Johnson at 05/06/2001 10:49 PM EST


Student on team #173, RAGE, from East Hartford High School and UTRC.


In Reply to: UGghhhh....
Posted by Andrew Rudolph on 05/06/2001 7:03 PM EST:



: Well recently i have gotten recently very unhappy at the websites that were designated "home" for IE for me. I WANT TO CHANGE TO A NEW ONE!!! So my question is when you open up IE what does your IE or other web program (name slips the mind) point to??

: Andrew

I set mine to about:blank .... it was google before.

Re: UGghhhh....
 

Posted by Jessica Boucher at 05/07/2001 6:41 AM EST


Student on team #237, Sie-H2O-Bots, from Watertown High School and Eastern Awning Systems & The Siemon Company.


In Reply to: UGghhhh....
Posted by Andrew Rudolph on 05/06/2001 7:03 PM EST:



www.msnbc.com is what I have up (cause Im a news junkie and my dad didnt like that the page went to chiefdelphi.com/wwwboard right away ;) )

-Jessica B, #237

Slashdot.com
 

Posted by Ryan Patridge at 05/07/2001 9:59 AM EST


Engineer on team #111, WildStang, from Rolling Meadows / Wheeling HS and Motorola.


In Reply to: UGghhhh....
Posted by Andrew Rudolph on 05/06/2001 7:03 PM EST:



Best "news for geeks" site on the net.