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Michael Corsetto 29-10-2015 15:51

Re: pic: SPARK Motor Controller from REV Robotics
 
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Originally Posted by Munchskull (Post 1502247)
My apologies. To be honest I have only been looking at motor controller prices since 2014 so I had little frame of reference for what prices used to be.

By the way, $60-$25 =! $45

Excited for more options, but will go with the more compact solution for the time being.

-Mike

EricLeifermann 29-10-2015 15:58

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Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto (Post 1502251)
By the way, $60-$25 =! $45

Excited for more options, but will go with the more compact solution for the time being.

-Mike

+1 to this. Robot real estate is premium.

Though having ran a team in college whose robot budget was generally sub $1000, have a quality cheap option is awesome for the community as a whole.

Conor Ryan 29-10-2015 16:09

Re: pic: SPARK Motor Controller from REV Robotics
 
Congrats Greg! This is a big step for Rev!

Do you have any data on the linearity?

dk5sm5luigi 29-10-2015 16:22

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Reading these comments really shows how far we have come. There used to be a time when the only choice available was Tekin Speed Controllers and they liked to catch on fire...

cgmv123 29-10-2015 16:32

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Originally Posted by Conor Ryan (Post 1502257)
Do you have any data on the linearity?

Since it's a 15(.625) kHz controller, I'd be very surprised if it's not as linear as the other 15 kHz controllers.

cbale2000 29-10-2015 17:12

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Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1502261)
Since it's a 15(.625) kHz controller, I'd be very surprised if it's not as linear as the other 15 kHz controllers.

Even among the existing 15kHz controllers there is a quite a bit of variation on the linearity of the output though.

sanddrag 29-10-2015 17:50

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Originally Posted by dk5sm5luigi (Post 1502259)
There used to be a time when the only choice available was Tekin Speed Controllers and they liked to catch on fire...

You know there's only a few of us left on here that would have any clue what you're talking about. ;) It's actually even before my time. Oh how far we have come.

Greg Needel 29-10-2015 19:54

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Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto (Post 1502251)
By the way, $60-$25 =! $45

Excited for more options, but will go with the more compact solution for the time being.

-Mike

Mike, thanks for the feedback. We know that this is not the speed controller for everyone. Many people will still opt to pay a bit more for both a space savings and/or CAN controls. That is totally cool with us, as every team needs to make their own weighted decisions.

When we built this we were really focused on the bottom up; building a controller that the rookies and struggling teams could use and afford, while still providing the performance that top teams require. From a business standpoint, we would love to have these riding on every machine in FIRST we know that there are several other very good options out there for teams. :)



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Originally Posted by Conor Ryan (Post 1502257)
Congrats Greg! This is a big step for Rev!

Do you have any data on the linearity?

The output of the SPARK is linear, comparable with the other modern controllers on the market. We have the testing data, and will be releasing it in the near future (along with some other testing documentation).

GeeTwo 29-10-2015 20:31

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Originally Posted by Ty Tremblay (Post 1502189)
It's closer to a Talon SR / Victor SP. No CAN support, PWM only.

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Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 1502206)
There are 2 limit switch inputs right on the controller that can support normally open or normally closed switches. Each one acts as an end stop, making it really easy to implement movement limits on any mechanism with no code or setup required.

we choose not to add CAN support at this time, because we were focused on providing a low cost and easy to use controller for everyone.

This is also great news for those of us who control motors with arduinos and other non-FRC control systems which support PWM but not CAN. I had feared that the PWM was going to go away in favor of an all-CAN infrastructure. The introduction of a new PWM controller seems to push that at least a few years down the road.

The low cost with built-in limit switch support is great - it should be sufficient for many applications!

Christopher149 29-10-2015 22:02

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Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1502254)
+1 to this. Robot real estate is premium.

Though having ran a team in college whose robot budget was generally sub $1000, have a quality cheap option is awesome for the community as a whole.

And that team in college hasn't really changed in terms of robot budget. It was really nice getting like 5 or 7 Victor 888s this year from FIRST Choice.

D_Price 30-10-2015 07:00

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Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1502283)
You know there's only a few of us left on here that would have any clue what you're talking about. ;) It's actually even before my time. Oh how far we have come.

Those were by far the worst. On that note great work by REV and can not wait for more products.

Joe Ross 30-10-2015 08:35

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Originally Posted by cbale2000 (Post 1502273)
Even among the existing 15kHz controllers there is a quite a bit of variation on the linearity of the output though.

Do you have any data on this?

philso 30-10-2015 09:09

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It is nice to have another option, especially at a lower price.

Is the "Brake/Coast Mode" next to the positive power input terminal an LED or one of those tiny rotary switches?

Is the enclosure fully isolated or is there a metal pad on the back that is at some voltage potential?

Does the PWM input connect directly to an optocoupler LED or does it have a current limiting resistor in series with the LED? We have had trouble connecting several motor controllers of different types to the same PWM signal because the optocoupler LED's had different forward voltages and only the controller with the lowest VF would actually run.

mwmac 30-10-2015 09:25

Re: pic: SPARK Motor Controller from REV Robotics
 
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Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto (Post 1502251)
By the way, $60-$25 =! $45

Excited for more options, but will go with the more compact solution for the time being.

-Mike

BTW, $60 - $25 = $35...

dyanoshak 30-10-2015 10:32

Re: pic: SPARK Motor Controller from REV Robotics
 
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Originally Posted by philso (Post 1502373)
Is the "Brake/Coast Mode" next to the positive power input terminal an LED or one of those tiny rotary switches?

It is a button that is accessible through a small hole. A bent paperclip works well.

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Originally Posted by philso (Post 1502373)
Is the enclosure fully isolated or is there a metal pad on the back that is at some voltage potential?

The enclosure and heat sink are fully isolated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by philso (Post 1502373)
Does the PWM input connect directly to an optocoupler LED or does it have a current limiting resistor in series with the LED? We have had trouble connecting several motor controllers of different types to the same PWM signal because the optocoupler LED's had different forward voltages and only the controller with the lowest VF would actually run.

There is a resistor in series with the optocoupler LED.

Thanks for your questions!


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