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2016 NASA Grant Announcement Day
Today's the day NASA targeted for announcing 2016 NASA grant recipients. Their goal is to announce by 3:00 AM Eastern, midnight Pacific.
They updated their site earlier today to report they are working on finalizing the review process. As always, they appreciate our patience. There have been times in the past where circumstances required a little extra time to deliberate beyond the originally targeted deadline. A link to the recipient page should be posted to http://robotics.nasa.gov/ once they are ready to announce. Good luck to all applicants. :) |
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Bump. Nothing yet announced.
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I hope this doesnt mean Munday
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I'm relatively new to the NASA grant process. Is it generally this late (or late at all)?
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The "NASA is working too much" rule? http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...84&postcount=1
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They be playing with tooo many emotions
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Woooo Hoooo WE GOT 1/233 grants!! JK no post yet :mad:
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What does "diligent" mean....I'm thinking it means "not working on weekends"
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Didn't they announce the grant recipients the Monday after the targeted date last year? (I remember being informed that our team received the grant on a Monday, but I may be mistaken...)
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And BTW, if, as your earlier post seems to indicate, you think that the NASA folks should be working over the weekend on this... Let's just say that getting me started on that will result in a very long post or PM, at the end of reading which you'll probably be feeling rather beaten up, and I'll be almost certainly feeling pretty lousy myself for writing and sending it. Suffice it to say that working weekends--on top of your normal work week--is something to be avoided if possible. |
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I'm absolutely certain that some evenings and weekends were spent evaluating the 600+ proposals. The end-game (who does/doesn't get a grant) is very challenging and handled by very few dedicated and committed individuals. They know the NASA grant is make-or-break for many teams and need to make hard decisions. Be thankful for those NASA people who care about all the FRC teams (not just their own). BTW, many NASA people routinely work on evenings and weekends for their "day jobs." They are professionals and will do whatever it takes to get things done right. |
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"NASA will review submitted applications and inform teams of their selection via the NASA Robotics Alliance Project (RAP) web site (http://robotics.nasa.gov). It is our plan to announce selections no later than Friday, November 6, 2015, 23:59:59 (PST). Please note that this is our current best estimate for the announcement date. The date may have to change due to circumstances beyond our control. If this should happen, a revised estimate of the announcement date will be posted on the RAP web site as quickly as possible. "
Current Best Estimate. That should be all you need to know. |
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*Could be anything: Congressional budget crunch (and the ensuing government shutdown) stopped the grant process cold a couple years back. Could be that somebody didn't supply something quite right and they're waiting for it to be fixed (unlikely, as in this case that's virtually an automatic denial). Could be a key signatory to release funds has the email saying he needs to release them sitting in his inbox along with 1000 other emails that he hasn't gotten around to, and he's on vacation or dealing with a crisis elsewhere. It could be ANYTHING delaying, and most likely it's out of the control of the team that's working on the grants. Internal politicking comes to mind as a likely source of delay, but it certainly isn't the only one. |
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That is probably a question for the people at NASA.
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How about stop being an insufferable jerk and let the great people at NASA do the best they can? There are hundreds of teams that will exist solely because of them. |
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Some people were faster than others, but I found that it took me close to an hour to read each grant application and take notes (and then go back and rate each one after I'd read enough that I felt like I had a good basis to compare them against each other). I had to spend a ton of time at home or staying at work late to work on them as well, which I know others did too, so it's no surprise to me that the announcement date has been pushed back on occasion. After all the reviews are done they have to be further sorted to determine who actually gets awarded a grant. There's not necessarily a way to come out and say "we will have it done next week", when there's all sorts of intermediate steps that have to take place. |
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BTW: Thanks for your work with NASA. P.S.S. While you're here can you give a few tips, or points of interest they really look for with the grant. i.e. Team with all ducks in a row, or new team with great imagination and ambition, previous robotics vs trying to start new program, etc. |
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Anyone know why the regional grants for Tech Valley Regional are not listed? Or were none given. Congrats to everyone who earned one
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Try switching 2016 to 2015, forgot what year it is
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Im an idiot I was looking at 2015.
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Anyone else continually refreshing the page? |
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Any one know when the FIRST grants are scheduled to be released?
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NOvember 13
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To actually answer the question: The NASA Grant announcement will come when it comes. |
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I think I'm wearing out the F5 (refresh) key on my laptop. :]
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Seriously ANY TIME NOW
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Anyone want to take a guess at when...I'm thinking Thursday 3:30 EST.
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Good thing I'm not the submitter and not listing my team!!! I feel bad for them other guys :ahh:
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Veterans Day is tomorrow, so if nothing is announced today, I would think the announcement would be delayed until Thursday at the earliest. But as others have already explained, there's really there's just no way of knowing when, given all the variables involved. Perhaps they are waiting to announce at 12:01 AM on 11/14....World Simbotics Day. |
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I do hope that you're aware that one of the requirements accompanying the grant is usually to write a thank-you message... |
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Thanks for the info, don't think they'll actually hurt my team chances by complaining here. But honestly I feel like the percentage of getting a grant is optimistically as high as 5-8%, teams probably just want to know either way already even if not getting it. My mentality switched from wanting the money to just wanting to know for sure.
Also my only real complaint was that they wrote they are diligently working to finalize it, which is not the case at all times that message has been up. |
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Like many fellow posters in this thread I am thankful for any NASA effort to assist teams and willing to 'diligently' extend them the courtesy of patiently waiting to see their selections. They deserve our understanding and genuine appreciation for all they do for our community...not a persistent and unwarranted argument about their level of 'diligence'. Enough already.
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They should just put," it is delayed"
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This guy is a troll and is purposely hiding his team affiliation. Can we ban him? :confused:
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While I know many teams are anxiously awaiting the results, I personally know some of the past reviewers and I know that a lot of time, thought, and care goes into reading each application. It's not an easy process. Delays happen, but patience is a virtue. Good luck to all the teams who applied, and thank you NASA for supporting FIRST for so many years!
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I can only imagine how difficult it is to decide. Every single application has a story behind it. Weather it is a new team just starting up or an old team who has fallen on rough times. When they make the final choices they have to know that it is the right choices. I would rather that they spend the time needed instead of hurrying and making poor choices. I have a lot of respect for those making the choices.
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Dude, they're giving hundreds of teams $5,000, how could that possibly be a thing to complain about? They're taking slightly too long to give you a massive amount of money?
The thing that fazes me the most about your attitude is that you don't seem to care at all that you're being really, really rude to people that are, again, giving out $5,000 to hundreds of teams. You don't seem to care because you think it won't come back to haunt your team, this particular grant cycle. Your priorities aren't in being nice to people giving out tons of money to help you, but in not being caught being rude to those people. If you must think about this from a purely utilitarian, how-can-this-help-me attitude instead of a simple issue of respecting generous organizations, then think of it this way. Hundreds of teams rely on these grants to get through their seasons. If the powers that be at NASA see the FIRST community as a bunch of ungrateful, immature jerks who constantly complain about not being instantly handed a lot of money, they will probably be less willing to give out more money in the future. Why potentially ruin it for your team and others in future years? |
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I agree that being polite and patient is definitely the way to go in this situation BUT I can understand how teams applying for funds can be anxious about waiting for this announcement.
If funding is the primary determining factor on when/where/if you compete for 2016, the sooner you have it secured the better. Some regional events are in locations where hotels are difficult to come by and so far away from our home towns that securing transportation in the fall is essential for spring travel. I feel for the teams applying for funding who don't have the answer yet because planning in the fall is sooo important for a successful 2016 season. It is a shame that the only answer you have is TBA soon but it is what it is so try focus on other things. A watched pot never boils or something like that.... |
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If the mods aren't too busy can they please erase:
a) this thread b) my memory of it |
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I think it's a little funny how some of the folks in this thread that are shutting down the complaints have consistently complained about things that FIRST does. Never change, CD!
It is getting pretty late in the season to know whether or not you have the funds to cover the cost of events/parts/travel. That's a frustrating position to be in. Try being more helpful and empathizing a little instead of yelling at someone you don't agree with on the internet. |
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As someone hoping for a handout for a company - insinuating that the people handing out MILLIONS of dollars are lazy and not doing their job[1]? Yeah, that's just being a prick. [1] Or more accurately, something outside their job that they are likely not even getting paid for (or getting paid only a small percentage of the time it takes) |
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This is a completely different situation. $5k is nothing to fundraise as well, if your season depends on the NASA grant entirely then you need to evaluate your business plan. |
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As chief complainer of this thread...I disagree with complaining in general form of FIRST (and NASA) as they do a really great job and considering the cost of $5,000, it really isnt too much given KoP and venues and other things they allow for. But for all of the complainers (and myself) I think (at least for me) an updated message would more than suffice to quench our complaints. We all obviously love NASA and everything they do and to think anyone is saying otherwise isn't really paying attention to the issue. Also the grant money is a HUGE deal for almost any team, except for the elite top 10% who may have enough sponsors in other places.
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Don't feed the troll....
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I continue to read this thread in amazement at the since of entitlement some people have. Give it to me and give it to me now seems to be all too common in this country these days.
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Like what many others have stated before, no one has a right to complain to such a great organization who is basically offering thousands of dollars to teams. They don't have to give away all this money, but, again, they are offering it because they are encouraging students to get into STEM education. So, please, be thankful that NASA has provided this opportunity for FRC teams this year. |
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The kids who work hard for days on the application might also take offense to the "free money" comment too. After all, time is money. The fact that it is a 16 year old students time doesn't change that. I guess I hope you do feel terrible for teams who rely on funding like this, because there really isn't time for much else now. |
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I agree that teams should work to have more funds than that, but for those that can't manage to do so, waiting to hear on grant money is a really big deal. |
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I don't feel any compassion for someone who has to go on the internet and be a giant tool about FIRST's largest and most committed sponor taking "too long" to decide whether or not to give them free money. That's just absurd. This isn't life or death. Waiting 3-5 days won't kill them. |
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The "elite top 10%" part of that statement is, however, making a large assumption about those teams, and other teams. My team isn't elite by any stretch of the imagination, ours included, but we get by just fine without having had a NASA Grant in quite some time (not that we'd EVER pass up the opportunity if we thought we were eligible)--see "constantly coming up with new ways to raise money". I would also guess that some teams you might consider "elite" have a much smaller budget (relative to their expenses) than you might think. |
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$5k is a decent stack of cash, and is nothing to fundraise for a motivated group with months to do it in. I fail to see how any of this means it's hypocritical to criticize someone for complaining about free money while also criticizing an organization we pay a good deal to. |
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Alex, the issue is not so much the content of your posts, but the tone. Come back to this thread in a couple of months and maybe you'll see it.
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In certain other areas, it might not be. There are plenty of teams that don't have the abundance of local businesses and resources in the area. Be careful not to assume your situation applies to all other teams. |
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We can't charge dues because if we do, we have to pay (per use) for our build space at the middle school. Those are just the rules that they've set down; it has nothing to do with robotics. I'm just giving these examples of the constraints that we face that other teams might not. And I'm glad that NASA is willing to put the time into doing this! I'm sure it takes a ton of time to evaluate every application. |
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Based on this post in the FIRST Grant thread, unless the NASA folks are planning on burning the midnight oil tonight, it looks like the NASA announcement will be delayed until early next week, at the earliest. My understanding from another post in that thread is that FIRST waits for NASA announcements before assigning their own rookie grants. Those with more knowledge of the process feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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http://www.firstwa.org/Programs/FIRS...RCFunding.aspx Here's the subsequent discussion that took place on these forums: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=138007 |
So it is looking like tomorrow is the big day for both grants! Fingers crossed, and good luck to everyone that applied.
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FYI, it looks like FIRST grant announcement is delayed until Friday, per this post in the FIRST grant thread.
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Nothing on the website yet, but I just received an email notification from the FRC Finance Team that we received a NASA Program Growth Grant. They might be releasing results gradually.
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Team 3193 also got word from FIRST that a payment from NASA had been received, which would have been a Sustaining Grant. Thank you so much, NASA, and congratulations to all other recipients!
Received the email at 3:43pm for those wanting to know. |
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Sad. Doesnt look like we got it. :(
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Who do th ey send the email to? The main contact or the submitter? Do they send out rejection emails too?
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I recieved the email from FIRST rather than from NASA, so I would assume that it went out to your team's main/alternate contact.
The email is a confirmation of payment received, so you wouldn't be getting a "payment not received" email. |
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I'm the teams alternate contact. We received a grant later year but it didnt receive an email last year. I'm more anxious this year since money is tighter this year. I'm found out last year through one of the email newsletters
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