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I_AM_Clayton 19-11-2015 23:02

pic: First off season project
 

Whippet 19-11-2015 23:03

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I couldn't help immediately thinking of this.

Great work! Are you planning on putting any mechanisms on top of this later on?

I_AM_Clayton 19-11-2015 23:37

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Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1506582)
I couldn't help immediately thinking of this.

Great work! Are you planning on putting any mechanisms on top of this later on?

Hah! I remember seeing that, After building the support braces and applying electronics we will decide what will happen next. Since our team has used the kop chassis the last two seasons we've decided that we want to be more competitive and challenge ourselves, because of that there's been some talk of rebuilding it in January to be used on our 2016 bot (depending on the specs of the game). Regardless It is our team's first holonomic drive (and might be the first we ever use in competition!). I'm proud of my team and I'm super excited for 2016!

Chak 19-11-2015 23:39

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Looks good. Why did you stuff wood into the vertical electronics board supports? The aluminum tubing should be strong enough to hold an electronics board, especially if you add a cross brace.
Btw, H-drive describes 5 omniwheels in a H shape, and this is not a H-drive. I'm not sure what it would be called though (omnidrive?).
Good luck, and I hope to see a video of this moving soon!:D

Christopher149 19-11-2015 23:40

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Originally Posted by Chak (Post 1506589)
Looks good. Why did you stuff wood into the vertical electronics board supports? The aluminum tubing should be strong enough to hold an electronics board, especially if you add a cross brace.
Btw, H-drive describes 5 omniwheels in a H shape, and this is not a H-drive. I'm not sure what it would be called though (omnidrive?).
Good luck, and I hope to see a video of this moving soon!:D

Poor man's mecanum?

Whippet 19-11-2015 23:43

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Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1506592)
Poor man's mecanum?

I think this could be called a kiwi drive, or maybe just a holonomic drive if it turns out that kiwi drive only refers to drives with three omni wheels.

asid61 20-11-2015 00:03

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Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1506594)
I think this could be called a kiwi drive, or maybe just a holonomic drive if it turns out that kiwi drive only refers to drives with three omni wheels.

Kiwi refers to 3 IIRC. Holonomic drive or omni drive is enough to describe it I think.
Nice work! What drove your design to put electronics up top? Even if you do that, I recommend putting the battery down low to lower the center of the mass.

Christopher149 20-11-2015 00:15

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Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1506594)
I think this could be called a kiwi drive, or maybe just a holonomic drive if it turns out that kiwi drive only refers to drives with three omni wheels.

Being from the team that coined the name "kiwi", I really only consider it for 3 wheels. (Though since this chassis is approximately round and not a rectangle, I can see the case being made that it's a 4-wheel kiwi)

I_AM_Clayton 20-11-2015 00:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chak (Post 1506589)
Looks good. Why did you stuff wood into the vertical electronics board supports? The aluminum tubing should be strong enough to hold an electronics board, especially if you add a cross brace.
Btw, H-drive describes 5 omniwheels in a H shape, and this is not a H-drive.

We stuffed wood inside the aluminum supports to make it easy for us to attach it to the chassis, of course it could have been done a different way. (the supports sit directly on top of the chassis, we put a small metal plate across the side and drove one self tapper into the chassis and another through the aluminum and into the wood which holds the two together just fine. It definitely will hold our electronics board (which is a sheet of lexan cut into an octagon shape, the electronics are screwed and zip-tied on through the holes that are already applied to the lexan before we buy it). I've known the "H" in "H-drive" to stand for holonomic, which is why I labeled it is as an "H-drive" I apologize if I have it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1506592)
Poor man's mecanum?

Coincidentally, we actually officially named our project the "poor man's swerve drive" :D because of its ability to drive in any direction and because of our limited budget in which we had to go over by an amount in which will remain undisclosed :yikes:

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Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1506600)
Nice work! What drove your design to put electronics up top? Even if you do that, I recommend putting the battery down low to lower the center of the mass.

Our electronics captain decided to put the electronics at the top simply because the project was originally to build just a chassis. We're actually integrating a battery holder/tray/bracket (whatever you want to call it) into our cross supports, along with that we are going to cut a rectangular hole into the center of our lexan electronics board that will be large enough for the battery to slide through and down into the holder tray. The battery will sit in the middle of the robot.

GeeTwo 20-11-2015 08:00

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On several threads, I've seen this layout referred to on CD as a Killough drive, named after the man who invented holonomic drive. His drive had three ball wheels, and more closely resembled kiwi.

Richard Wallace 20-11-2015 10:32

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Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1506582)
I couldn't help immediately thinking of this.

I was reminded of this, from late 2005 / early 2006.

To execute it, 931 had to build custom transmissions and omniwheels.

It is difficult to overstate the impact that AndyMark and VexPro have made on the FRC community, by enabling teams without extensive fabrication means to explore and test design concepts at (relatively) modest cost.

Sperkowsky 20-11-2015 10:53

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Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1506671)
I was reminded of this, from late 2005 / early 2006.

To execute it, 931 had to build custom transmissions and omniwheels.

It is difficult to overstate the impact that AndyMark and VexPro have made on the FRC community, by enabling teams without extensive fabrication means to explore and test design concepts at (relatively) modest cost.

wow times have changed.

JohnFogarty 20-11-2015 11:35

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Quite literally everyone and their Dog in FTC used a similar drivetrain like this to achieve holonomic motion. This could be the first time I've seen someone build an FRC version, but I haven't looked too hard either.

I hope you post some video of how it drives sometime!

Peyton Yeung 20-11-2015 12:33

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I believe AndyMark used to sell one similar.



JoshWilson 20-11-2015 13:59

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Originally Posted by JohnFogarty (Post 1506681)
Quite literally everyone and their Dog in FTC used a similar drivetrain like this to achieve holonomic motion. This could be the first time I've seen someone build an FRC version, but I haven't looked too hard either.

I hope you post some video of how it drives sometime!

My team considered using a holonomic drivetrain last year, but never went further than a prototype. we stopped and ended up using a normal mecanum system about half way through the second week. Not quite sure why we stopped though...


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