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first_newbie 14-12-2015 22:01

FRC Gear Box thingy
 
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What is the thing circled in red?

jkelleyrtp 14-12-2015 22:03

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Pancake pneumatic piston.
Used for shifting.
http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/pn.../217-2778.html

Chief Hedgehog 14-12-2015 22:03

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Originally Posted by first_newbie (Post 1512344)
What is the thing circled in red?

Pancake Cylinder.

Anupam Goli 14-12-2015 22:03

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That's a pancake Cylinder. It's used in 2+ speed gearboxes to shift gears on the fly.

IndySam 14-12-2015 22:12

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Originally Posted by jkelleyrtp (Post 1512345)
Pancake pneumatic piston.
Used for shifting.
http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/pn.../217-2778.html

Your link says Pancake Pneumatic Cylinder"

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"It's a cylinder, not a piston"

GeeTwo 14-12-2015 23:04

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Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1512351)
"It's a cylinder, not a piston"

The piston is the piece inside the cylinder which is pushed by the air and which in turn pushes and pulls the output shaft relative to the main cylinder body. P4s (pernickety persons' pet peeves) aside, the term piston is commonly used for the whole thing because it won't be confused with the shape of a pneumatic tank, compressor, motor, wheel, or shaft.

OBTW, if the one in the render above is a cylinder, we can also include any sort of extrusion as a cylinder by shape.

MrForbes 14-12-2015 23:06

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If you call it a pneumatic cylinder, it might remove some confusion

GeeTwo 14-12-2015 23:58

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Originally Posted by MrForbes (Post 1512374)
If you call it a pneumatic cylinder, it might remove some confusion

I've had team members come back with air tanks (more commonly aluminum than plastic). We keep the tanks and actuators in different bins.

MrForbes 15-12-2015 01:08

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Yup, that's why I said "might", rather than "will".

IndySam 15-12-2015 06:59

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Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1512373)
The piston is the piece inside the cylinder which is pushed by the air and which in turn pushes and pulls the output shaft relative to the main cylinder body. P4s (pernickety persons' pet peeves) aside, the term piston is commonly used for the whole thing because it won't be confused with the shape of a pneumatic tank, compressor, motor, wheel, or shaft.

OBTW, if the one in the render above is a cylinder, we can also include any sort of extrusion as a cylinder by shape.

I don't know a single person in industry who would call it a piston. As mentors it's up to us to teach proper terminology.

Daniel_LaFleur 15-12-2015 07:28

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Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1512420)
I don't know a single person in industry who would call it a piston. As mentors it's up to us to teach proper terminology.

IndySam is correct. If we are to prepare these students for working in the industry, we should teach (use) proper terminology. Incorrect, or non-standard, terminology leads to confusion and mistakes.

It is a cylinder or pneumatic actuator.

It can be used as a piston when attached to a cam but it is not a piston.

protoserge 15-12-2015 08:33

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And here I am calling them pneumatic actuators...

Jimmy Nichols 15-12-2015 08:52

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Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1512420)
I don't know a single person in industry who would call it a piston. As mentors it's up to us to teach proper terminology.

We have had some engineering mentors call them pistons and we correct them at the same time. These are also mentors who never work with these types of components in their day jobs.

MrForbes 15-12-2015 09:50

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When I went shopping on FIRST Choice for our team, I selected several pneumatic cylinders, but no pistons.

The pneumatic cylinders each contain a piston, though

FrankJ 15-12-2015 10:49

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And I always assumed it was a British thing. They are always screwing up the English language over there. :]


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