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sanddrag 17-12-2015 12:34
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Originally Posted by Nick Lawrence (Post 1513054)
Some of our testing included assembling a fully-weighted AM14U2 chassis and simply driving it around on tight pile carpet.
Nick, can you elaborate on the motor and gearing combination used in this test you conducted?

jkelleyrtp 17-12-2015 12:36
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Originally Posted by Sperkowsky (Post 1513112)
I heard in a Game sense stream that the Recycle Rush scoring platforms were only put in place 1 month before kickoff even after the AM14U2 was already designed. They actually built it in every configuration and drove it over the platform to make sure it worked.
Do you have a source? Did gamesense post it anywhere?

Nick Lawrence 17-12-2015 12:36
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Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1513115)
Nick, can you elaborate on the motor and gearing combination used in this test you conducted?
4CIM, 10.71:1 Toughbox Mini gearboxes with prototype 4" HiGrips.

-Nick

EricDrost 17-12-2015 12:38
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Originally Posted by s_forbes (Post 1513069)
Isn't this going to tip backward in this test if there's weight above about... 12" in the back 2/3 of the robot?

What holds the treads on when another team is pushing this base sideways?

I'd love to see more videos of this system driving around at full weight.

Mike Marandola 17-12-2015 12:41
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Originally Posted by Sperkowsky (Post 1513103)
I am pretty sure Andymark does not get a heads up on what the game is before hand but, I could be wrong.
I'm pretty sure they do. What about the elevated wheel brackets from 2010? That seemed to be based on the game.

JesseK 17-12-2015 12:51
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Originally Posted by mwmac (Post 1513096)
Hmm tanks, first offensive use Sept. 15, 1916...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_tank
This isn't getting enough visibility for how significant it seems...

Though in a game full of tanks I think the Jeeps will win the all-terrain battle.

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Originally Posted by Mike Marandola (Post 1513120)
I'm pretty sure they do. What about the elevated wheel brackets from 2010? That seemed to be based on the game.
AndyMark could have received the specs without knowing anything about that game. Sure, there could be some conjecture - but tbh if you didn't know what 2010 was about and had to guess it based upon those brackets and their inclusion in the KOP drive train ... not sure anyone would get it right.

ratdude747 17-12-2015 12:53
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Originally Posted by Sperkowsky (Post 1513103)
I am pretty sure Andymark does not get a heads up on what the game is before hand but, I could be wrong.

From what I hear games are sometimes not fully designed until weeks before kickoff.
I'm pretty sure at least Andy Baker gets a heads up at some point. After all, they have to have inventory of game pieces and the like before kickoff (and in the case of 2009, make and build inventory of the mandatory wheels). Safe for the people who organize official kickoffs, IIRC they get some advance knowledge as part job (something to do with the tote contents IIRC).

Ty Tremblay 17-12-2015 13:38
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Originally Posted by Sperkowsky (Post 1513112)
I heard in a Game sense stream that the Recycle Rush scoring platforms were only put in place 1 month before kickoff even after the AM14U2 was already designed. They actually built it in every configuration and drove it over the platform to make sure it worked.
GameSense here. While I can't remember if it was said on a GS show or not, I can corroborate that I remember hearing that AndyMark did not know about the scoring platforms until after the AM14U2 went to production.

If it was mentioned in a GS episode, it'd probably be this one: https://youtu.be/OFQPemOh4bI

Edit: Evan Morrison found it: https://youtu.be/E33Gxjdi0PY?list=PL...Z02zZ6L&t=3016

Basel A 17-12-2015 14:22
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Originally Posted by Ty Tremblay (Post 1513133)
GameSense here. While I can't remember if it was said on a GS show or not, I can corroborate that I remember hearing that AndyMark did not know about the scoring platforms until after the AM14U2 went to production.

If it was mentioned in a GS episode, it'd probably be this one: https://youtu.be/OFQPemOh4bI

Edit: Evan Morrison found it: https://youtu.be/E33Gxjdi0PY?list=PL...Z02zZ6L&t=3016
I'm surprised about this based on the precedent of the 2010 KoP Chassis, which was clearly designed to handle the big bumps (I can't find a picture or drawings, unfortunately).

Knufire 17-12-2015 14:28
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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1513139)
I'm surprised about this based on the precedent of the 2010 KoP Chassis, which was clearly designed to handle the big bumps (I can't find a picture or drawings, unfortunately).
It's a year-to-year thing. Everything about the game pre-kickoff is obviously on a need to know basis; it's HQ's discretion to what and when suppliers know about the game.

There's also logistical requirements, the KoP chassis needs to go to production early enough in the year that they can all be manufactured and kitted in time for KoPs to ship to local kickoffs, regardless of how far along the game design is.

Ty Tremblay 17-12-2015 15:14
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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1513139)
I'm surprised about this based on the precedent of the 2010 KoP Chassis, which was clearly designed to handle the big bumps (I can't find a picture or drawings, unfortunately).
FIRST and FRC have gone through a LOT of changes since 2010. It's probably safe to assume that the GDC and their communication with 3rd party vendors varies from year-to-year, never mind over the course of 5 years.

I think a succinct way to say this would be: In FIRST, there really isn't such a thing as precedent.

Basel A 17-12-2015 15:38
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Originally Posted by Ty Tremblay (Post 1513150)
FIRST and FRC have gone through a LOT of changes since 2010. It's probably safe to assume that the GDC and their communication with 3rd party vendors varies from year-to-year, never mind over the course of 5 years.

I think a succinct way to say this would be: In FIRST, there really isn't such a thing as precedent.
I'm sure lots has changed, but FIRST has said that their game design process has gotten longer (i.e. more details decided earlier), so you'd expect vendors - especially a trusted vendor like AM - to have more information earlier on. I guess I'd say that with the focus on FIRST starting game design earlier and trying to get them locked in, it's disappointing that a game element as important as scoring platforms was added as late as October.

thatnameistaken 17-12-2015 18:11
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Originally Posted by s_forbes (Post 1513069)
Product page is up, not available for sale yet.

nuclearnerd 17-12-2015 18:23
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Product page is up, not available for sale yet.
http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-3322.htm

Electronica1 17-12-2015 19:01
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How does this work with bumpers?


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