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Sperkowsky 07-01-2016 11:19

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
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Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1517534)
If you watched the FUN Spotlight, Frank said they just finalized the game Monday or Tuesday. I'm sure part of that was also the manual.

Actually it was Wednesday. The stream was on Tuesday and he said the game is finalized tomorrow meaning 1/6/16.

So the game has been done for a day. I assume there are a few people checking everything over to check for grammatical errors so I am going to guess it will be released tonight or tomorrow. If the release is on Saturday along with the game I beg someone to download it and put it on drive, or something of that nature temporarily I know its not the greatest thing to do but, for people like me at remote kickoff locations downloading the manual right away is next to impossible.

arizonafoxx 07-01-2016 11:33

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
I was a little surprised the encryption test did not come out yesterday. Usually that proceeds the encrypted manual by a day or two. I agree that the manual will probably come out tonight or tomorrow morning.

rich2202 07-01-2016 12:14

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
Since it has been confirmed that it is a water game this year, I'm guessing that with the recent rain in California, they are relaxing the water usage rules.

I plan on posting the manual on my Google Docs account, and letting the team download it from there.

Anthony4004 07-01-2016 12:30

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
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Originally Posted by rich2202 (Post 1517560)
Since it has been confirmed that it is a water game this year,

How so?

rich2202 07-01-2016 12:35

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
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Originally Posted by Anthony4004 (Post 1517566)
How so?

It is a running joke.

GeeTwo 07-01-2016 12:45

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Originally Posted by Anthony4004 (Post 1517566)
How so?

Take your pick:

Quote:

Originally Posted by euhlmann (Post 1515998)
water game confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari423 (Post 1511874)
WATER GAME CONFIRMED!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by pixeltoast (Post 1509884)
WATER GAME CONFIRMED

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_42nd_parado (Post 1507274)
water game confirmed!

Quote:

Originally Posted by efoote868 (Post 1504281)
Water game confirmed!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1503316)

WATER GAME CONFIRMED!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Schreiber (Post 1500627)
Water game confirmed.

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Originally Posted by OAXACA (Post 1500376)
Water Game Confirmed.


Anthony4004 07-01-2016 12:46

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
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Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1517577)
Take your pick:

I was hoping for a new theory I have not yet heard of. Alas...

Foster 07-01-2016 13:05

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
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Originally Posted by Anthony4004 (Post 1517579)
I was hoping for a new theory I have not yet heard of. Alas...

Exactly, we all want a new theory, which the only outcome can be, "water game confirmed". :rolleyes:

JesseK 07-01-2016 13:08

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
About Passwords - plenty of people understand things like rainbow tables, context dictionaries and salt generators. I'm guessing FIRST doesn't, but understands that those types of things exist. So they're waiting to release the manual itself until the time it takes to employ those is more than the time until kickoff. Or perhaps the new website is having major issues (always plausible).

For example, it makes no sense for aaaaaaaaaaa, aaaaaaaaaab, aaaaaaaaaac (etc) to be tried - so just skip them. Most passwords, especially recent FIRST passwords, have game context around them. So l33t variants and grammatical substitutions can be applied to a more context-sensitive set of passwords (on something like Stronghold or its theme) to reduce the probable password set down to a few hundred million combinations. This is crack-able in a few days.

Adding grammar and numbers to a password increases the bit entropy of the password. Adding context to a cracker's rainbow table obliterates bit entropy. Yet making a diceware-based password increases information entropy to the point where a dictionary-based cracking attempt is completely obsolete while maintaining a sense of reason in how the password is disseminated on Game Day. The game manual could then be up a week ahead of time, presuming final edits are done.

I'm not an expert in cryptography, but the math behind information entropy is really enjoyable to read about, IMO.

Doug Frisk 07-01-2016 13:11

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
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Originally Posted by kyle_hamblett (Post 1517533)
I'm really starting to get concerned with the fact that it hasn't been released yet. I wonder if they have increased their server capacity to handle thousands of people trying to access it at once.... If not, it will take forever to get a copy...

They're on Azure, or at least the FRC API is and it should be possible for them to scale up massively on Saturday morning if they want to. It could be the plan is to release the manual on Saturday morning without pre-releasing an encrypted version.

If it were me, I'd put all the documents on a "dumb" cloud web server (no .NET, no PHP, just an HTTP file server so it's got low CPU draw) and then that could be replicated and instantiated as many times as they need to, to cover the bandwidth needs. They could have 50 instances on Saturday and then cut it down to 5 on Monday.

marshall 07-01-2016 13:17

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
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Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1517588)
They're on Azure, or at least the FRC API is and it should be possible for them to scale up massively on Saturday morning if they want to. It could be the plan is to release the manual on Saturday morning without pre-releasing an encrypted version.

If it were me, I'd put all the documents on a "dumb" cloud web server (no .NET, no PHP, just an HTTP file server so it's got low CPU draw) and then that could be replicated and instantiated as many times as they need to, to cover the bandwidth needs. They could have 50 instances on Saturday and then cut it down to 5 on Monday.

The better way to do this is use the Azure CDN Service: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/cdn/

No setting up of instances needed or writing custom automation for interfacing with load balancers. Let MS do all of that stuff for you.

Source: Am IT architect specializing in cloudy non-sense.

roboryan 07-01-2016 13:21

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
From this link http://www.firstinspires.org/resourc...nual-qa-system
"Game Manual
An encrypted version of the Game Manual will be posted before Kickoff. The encryption key will be shared during Kickoff and an unencrypted version will be available after that."

So I would say we can expect it before kickoff, I would hope today.

Bobthebot 07-01-2016 14:02

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1 Attachment(s)
Attachment 19639

I used the live support on the first website to ask when the encrypted manual will be release and got this response so this is what we can expect. By end of the business day tomorrow

Oh and to expect info in the team blast today for what that means

Taylor 07-01-2016 14:25

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I am appalled nobody has invoked "correct horse battery staple" yet.

rlowe61 07-01-2016 14:33

Re: FRC 2016 Game Manual
 
It's Out
Encrypted Manual is now on the WEB Site

http://www.firstinspires.org/resourc...nual-qa-system


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