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Ginger Power 09-01-2016 09:16

[Ri3D] The GreenHorns 2016
 
The GreenHorns crew from NDSU is once again accepting the engineering challenge of epic proportions, that is Robot in 3 Days. Leading into our second season, we have 17 eager and caffeinated college students who are prepared for the tech trek that is upon us.

Be sure to follow our efforts as these next 72 ish hours pass!

Twitter: @GreenHornsRi3D
Facebook: The GreenHorns
Vine: The GreenHorns
Instagram: greenhornsrobotics
Website: www.ndsubisonrobotics.org

We will be posting updates as we go as well as having a livestream on our website under the tab labeled "GreenHorns." Stay tuned, and check it out!

We would like to thank all of our lovely sponsors for their generous donations! Without them, none of what we are about to do would be possible.

2016 Sponsors:
Becker Schools
AndyMark
REV Robotics
North Dakota State University
Robot in 3 Days
FRC 4607 CIS

Thank you all for your support, and we fair thee well in this upcoming season! #ThirstForFIRST

realbrelt 09-01-2016 10:14

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cool~

Sperkowsky 09-01-2016 10:43

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excited to see what you guys come up with!

ebrnc 09-01-2016 18:37

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The GreenHorns Ri3D Update:

The field element construction group is working furiously to finish the rest of the game obstacles (the moat, rock wall, and ramps are built already!).

As for electrical, the roboRIO is wireless, and the crew is currently working on the solenoids and the rest of the pneumatic system.

Build has made colossal progress as well! The prototype for our shooting mechanism has undergone numerous variations, each improving upon the other.

Our Meet the Team video should be completed soon as well, so keep an eye out!

Day One is looking marvelous for The GreenHorns. Another coffee break is upon us soon, however. #LifeofTri


Check out some of our vines!

https://t.co/V6biSDKz9D

https://t.co/Mz2bur9O21

https://t.co/5mrQuy4Bfv

https://t.co/CGuErlBTOP

To see our photo gallery as it grows during Ri3D, check out this link: ndsubisonrobotics.org/greenhorns.html

#InstaBots #PiquedGeeks

ebrnc 09-01-2016 20:04

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Livestream #2:

https://t.co/bbWhWcMV8c

Meet the Team:

https://youtu.be/87PZXkd9g2E

Bluejackets 09-01-2016 21:06

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Bluejacket Robotics will be watching and supporting. Good Luck this season!

Chief Hedgehog 10-01-2016 04:23

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Fun watching you guys work! At least the livestream works better this year!

Nyxyxylyth 10-01-2016 10:58

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Your YouTube livestream is blocked by Warner Chappell :(

Ginger Power 10-01-2016 11:32

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Originally Posted by Nyxyxylyth (Post 1520029)
Your YouTube livestream is blocked by Warner Chappell :(

Stupid radio... We're working on the problem!

Chief Hedgehog 10-01-2016 11:49

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Your live stream #5 is working. The link you have posted doesn't though.

ebrnc 10-01-2016 15:10

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Due to all the issues we have been having as of late (my apologies!), we switched to a different livestreaming tool. Check it out!!

https://livestream.com/accounts/16904459/events/4676968

ebrnc 11-01-2016 00:36

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Check out our Vine for short video updates!

Update:

Bumpers are DONE!

Field defenses are DONE!

Electrical/Programming is DONE!


Currently, we are working on fixing some chains-gone-astray that we found within our drivetrain system. Other than that, the drivetrain is looking marvelous! This is going to shape up to be one sharp robot when its fully complete!

Be sure to stay updated by following our Twitter (@GreenHornsRi3D) and Instagram as well!

The tech trek is almost complete.

ebrnc 11-01-2016 14:26

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Our Day #2 Update is out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZwCcuj2Vs

#ThirstForFIRST

ebrnc 11-01-2016 20:46

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Infographics are magnificent for getting information out there! Check out these ones that we threw together late last night! I would really like to see these used more in the realm of FIRST:yikes:

AndyBare 11-01-2016 21:23

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Is it time yet?

Nick.kremer 13-01-2016 02:31

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From what I can make out from your videos, it looks like you guys are using direct drive mini CIMs w/ 2" wheels for your shooter, is this correct?

-Thanks

Ginger Power 13-01-2016 03:11

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Originally Posted by Nick.kremer (Post 1522528)
From what I can make out from your videos, it looks like you guys are using direct drive mini CIMs w/ 2" wheels for your shooter, is this correct?

-Thanks

Mini CIMs in a 1:1 versa planetary direct driving 4" high grip wheels from AndyMark. When in taking they're programed down to 90% speed and when shooting they're 100%.

Wednesday night/Thursday morning I will be writing a white paper as well as editing our reveal video. You can see a lot of our functionality from the vines that we have been putting out, but you'll need to watch our reveal video to get the full effect. I'll just say that the 1114 style articulating arm is going to be highly effective... as will tape measure climbers.

As a pre-teaser teaser here are some of our robot performance specs:

Height: ~14.5"
Low goal with 100% accuracy
High goal capable (a good driver and some sensors would make it deadly)
Touch-it-own-it intake
Winch with hook for climbing (just didn't have the resources to get the hook to the bar, tape measure climbers with detachable hooks!!!)
Capable drivetrain that can traverse: Low bar, Ramparts, and Rough terrain (if we had access to 2 more 8" pneumatic wheels it would've been a much better drivetrain)

And the best part... it's only 72 lbs. The only necessary addition is the device for getting the hook to the bar. There's so much weight for additional functionality. It's more volume limited than weight limited, so if you're creative you can have one heck of a robot.

Nick.kremer 13-01-2016 03:21

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Originally Posted by Ginger Power (Post 1522537)
Mini CIMs in a 1:1 versa planetary direct driving 4" high grip wheels from AndyMark. When in taking they're programed down to 90% speed and when shooting they're 100%.

Thanks so much for replying, and to you guys in general for all your hard work the last few days! Also, can't wait to see that reveal video/ read that paper.

Ginger Power 13-01-2016 03:24

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Originally Posted by Nick.kremer (Post 1522539)
Thanks so much for replying, and to you guys in general for all your hard work the last few days! Also, can't wait to see that reveal video/ read that paper.

Well after sleeping for a combined 6 hours the last 4 days, your sleep schedule gets shifted. Plus it's build season. Any chance to help a team be more successful is one I'd jump at! Good luck this year!

Nick.kremer 13-01-2016 03:36

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I have one last question if you will indulge me; what is the center to center distance between your shooter wheels, It seems like you guys are getting the perfect amount of compression?

Ginger Power 13-01-2016 10:32

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Originally Posted by Nick.kremer (Post 1522546)
I have one last question if you will indulge me; what is the center to center distance between your shooter wheels, It seems like you guys are getting the perfect amount of compression?

Center to center would be 11". Given that they're 4" wheels, the critical dimension from tangent to tangent is 7" which gives ~3" of compression.

Sperkowsky 13-01-2016 11:03

Are you going to release a CAD model. If so when? If not could you give me a few more details on the shooter.

For instance what is the depth of the shooter. How tall from the plastic tubes to the top of the shooter.

What are the versaplanetarys mounted to and how.

What motor is driving the pivot on the shooter and is it chain driven or belt driven.

How far back did you mount the shooter from the edge of the chassis.

Sorry for all the questions. We had a similar design sketched up so when we saw urs we pretty much decided we are just going to create a more optimized version of it. :)

Ginger Power 13-01-2016 11:23

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Originally Posted by Sperkowsky (Post 1522715)
Are you going to release a CAD model. If so when? If not could you give me a few more details on the shooter.

For instance what is the depth of the shooter. How tall from the plastic tubes to the top of the shooter.

What are the versaplanetarys mounted to and how.

What motor is driving the pivot on the shooter and is it chain driven or belt driven.

How far back did you mount the shooter from the edge of the chassis.

Sorry for all the questions. We had a similar design sketched up so when we saw urs we pretty much decided we are just going to create a more optimized version of it. :)

Whether or not we release a CAD will be directly determined by how hard my college schedule is this semester. It's a 50-50 thing. We tried CADing as we went, but it turned into "CAD the prototype and we'll just optimize the final design in person".

I will be happy to answer any questions about our robot ASAP! I'll also be writing a white paper after my classes today.

I'll answer these questions after Circuits 1 in a half hour :D

dradel 13-01-2016 12:41

I am curious to know how you run the versa at 1:1 what gears are being left out to basically make it a shaft interface.
Our team is trying many new gear boxes and other types of hardware this year. But funds are tight so trying to gather as much info as possible.

Ginger Power 13-01-2016 12:46

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Originally Posted by Sperkowsky (Post 1522715)
Are you going to release a CAD model. If so when? If not could you give me a few more details on the shooter.

For instance what is the depth of the shooter. How tall from the plastic tubes to the top of the shooter.

What are the versaplanetarys mounted to and how.

What motor is driving the pivot on the shooter and is it chain driven or belt driven.

How far back did you mount the shooter from the edge of the chassis.

Sorry for all the questions. We had a similar design sketched up so when we saw urs we pretty much decided we are just going to create a more optimized version of it. :)

The shooter is 11" from the top of the polycarbonate tubes where the ball rests to the top of the upper arms.

The versa planetaries are face mounted to some angled aluminum which is riveted to our upper arms.

Moving the shooter up and down is one of my favorite functions. The things that are hard have the biggest payoff in the end. We used a Cim motor in a 100:1 versa planetary. On the hex output shaft of the versa we direct drive a 48 (or 50?) tooth gear. We support the output shaft on both sides of the gear with a bearing, and we have a plate in between the cim and the cim adapter. The gear is directly mated to an identical gear which is on another hex shaft. The arms of our shooter are directly mounted to that hex shaft with a versahub.

There are multiple ways to power the shooter including lead screws, but I like the gears because it allows the shooter to have a 180 degree range. We have it set up that articulating our shooter all the way back is the perfect angle to get it in the high goal from right beneath the tower.

The wheels are about 8" away from the front of our robot and we would have open bumpers. One would think we would have trouble intaking boulders along a wall, but the open frame allows for getting the ball away from the wall.

Sperkowsky 13-01-2016 12:48

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Originally Posted by dradel (Post 1522786)
I am curious to know how you run the versa at 1:1 what gears are being left out to basically make it a shaft interface.
Our team is trying many new gear boxes and other types of hardware this year. But funds are tight so trying to gather as much info as possible.

With the vp's all u so is leave out any stages and connect the little drive cap gear thingy to the motor shaft. Then all you do is slide It in. It's pretty simple actually just fits in the same way you would if there was a stage or 2 in there. We originally thought that you could only run them 3:1 but learned 1:1 works just fine and allows the motor to interface very well with other parts because of its full sized hex or keyed circular shafts.

Ginger Power 13-01-2016 12:50

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Originally Posted by dradel (Post 1522786)
I am curious to know how you run the versa at 1:1 what gears are being left out to basically make it a shaft interface.
Our team is trying many new gear boxes and other types of hardware this year. But funds are tight so trying to gather as much info as possible.

I wasn't the one who assembled them so I'm not 100% sure either! You just leave the gears out and you have to cut the shaft of a Cim or mini cim. I'm sure there are assembly instructions somewhere out there! I can say that we were very happy with the versa planetaries on our robot. We used 4 of them for 3 different functions with 3 different kinds of motors.

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Kevin Sevcik 13-01-2016 12:59

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Originally Posted by Ginger Power (Post 1522791)
I wasn't the one who assembled them so I'm not 100% sure either! You just leave the gears out and you have to cut the shaft of a Cim or mini cim. I'm sure there are assembly instructions somewhere out there! I can say that we were very happy with the versa planetaries on our robot. We used 4 of them for 3 different functions with 3 different kinds of motors.

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You can also buy or print an adapter that spaces the (mini)CIM off the mounting block slightly so you don't have to modify the motor shaft.

gingerschmidt 13-01-2016 16:49

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Why did you guys not end up using the pneumatic catapult system you were prototyping earlier?

Was it not reliable enough? Were you running out of air too quickly?

Ginger Power 13-01-2016 19:41

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Originally Posted by gingerschmidt (Post 1522978)
Why did you guys not end up using the pneumatic catapult system you were prototyping earlier?

Was it not reliable enough? Were you running out of air too quickly?

We never actually prototyped a catapult. You may be mistaking us for Snow Problem? Interestingly within 2 hours after kickoff all 18 members that we had agreed on a design. It's hard to get that many people to agree on anything, let alone that quickly. We are more than satisfied with the results.

Here are some of our vines to check out before we post our reveal video:
Vines!

gingerschmidt 13-01-2016 22:44

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Ah sorry! So many ri3d teams I just got confused.


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