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Foster 10-01-2016 06:58

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Lords were responsible for management of the lands around a castle. A chamberlain ran the household.

Since the area we are talking about is outside the Stronghold, I suggest Lord.

All hail Lord Koko Ed!

GaryVoshol 10-01-2016 07:14

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Originally Posted by MasterEric (Post 1519316)
https://youtu.be/HsvsOI5jV-s?t=45s

Either through a bowling-style throw or pushing in a hole in the top (where it can only fall vertically).

The videos are not rules. In fact, that one has a line that directly contradicts a rule. I don't find anything in the rules that says what action a player has to use to enter a BOULDER through the EMBRASURE.

GaryVoshol 10-01-2016 07:19

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1519769)
FIRST needs to come up with a cool name for the elite field setup crew who will be responsible for setting up the defenses.

The Defenders of the Realm.

rich2202 10-01-2016 07:27

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Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1519921)
I think this year's term for all field volunteers is "stewards"

Call the RI's "Sourcerers"?

Koko Ed 10-01-2016 08:01

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Originally Posted by Foster (Post 1519922)
Lords were responsible for management of the lands around a castle. A chamberlain ran the household.

Since the area we are talking about is outside the Stronghold, I suggest Lord.

All hail Lord Koko Ed!

Carry on.

Koko Ed 10-01-2016 08:07

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1519926)
The Defenders of the Realm.

The Order.

tindleroot 10-01-2016 10:46

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Originally Posted by cglrcng (Post 1519917)
"Worth it? Maybe only at the highest levels of play."

You have 15 seconds of auto, and nothing is going to happen until the 15 second clock winds down. If you are capable of doing so, at any level of play. And your shot was a high goal scoring in 1~2 seconds. Why on earth would you want to just let your bot sit around for 13~14 seconds doing nothing?

Those that can DO, because they always play at the highest level.

This quote was to indicate that having a two-ball auto, while benefiting your score at any level of play, is not necessary at all during district/regional season since so few teams will probably be doing it. Resources could be better spent putting in some extra cycles, or perhaps breaching a new set of defenses. This will more actively help your score over time (assuming you score enough to make up for your single ball auto). A good team doesn't need a two ball auto to win a regional, therefore putting extended resources towards this at the cost of other features is not necessarily a good idea. At Einstein, or IRI, maybe a 2 ball auto will make the difference between closely matched alliances, though, and it will be necessary. The team has to decide for itself if the advantage is worth it and if they have the resources to make it work.

Pearl3946 10-01-2016 11:26

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Originally Posted by Ccody_ (Post 1518663)
It's lit!

It truly is LIT! 🔥

Toby Roy 10-01-2016 12:33

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can anyone tell me how I post things on this website?

re: I mean like make a new post rather than just replying to one like on this board (Warning! I know nothing about thread sharing websites!)

Richard Wallace 10-01-2016 12:41

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Originally Posted by Toby Roy (Post 1520123)
can anyone tell me how I post things on this website?

Uh, you just did. :confused:

FAQ

ramune 10-01-2016 13:16

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This is my first year in FRC but I was really impressed by the video and animation, (though I've seen some other release videos and games since my older brother has been in robotics) looks fun but also pretty challenging haha
Looks like a real hassle to set up too.

Also my first time on chiefdelphi but I've been on a few other forums so I'll just have to get used to the layout! :deadhorse:

AmoryG 10-01-2016 13:28

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The rules for selecting defenses is confusing me.

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The specific DEFENSES used during each MATCH are selected by a combination of the audience and

the ALLIANCES. One (1) DEFENSE from each of the four (4) DEFENSE groups, A, B, C, and D are on the

FIELD each Qualification and Playoff MATCH.
The way I understand it is that each alliance gets to pick 3 defenses one from each category that the audience is not picking. My question is that are there two full sets of defenses each alliance can choose from? Could both alliances pick the Portcullis from category A or will the blue alliance have to pick the Cheval de Frise from category A if the red alliance picked the Portcullis?

jaimem263 10-01-2016 15:53

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Is it legal to have an aditional robot(drone) to the FRC robot?

rich2202 10-01-2016 15:59

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Originally Posted by AmoryG (Post 1520171)
Could both alliances pick the Portcullis from category A or will the blue alliance have to pick the Cheval de Frise from category A if the red alliance picked the Portcullis?

Each Alliance will have a full set to pick from. The one caveat is that the Audience picks one, so that set will not be available to either Alliance.

GaryVoshol 10-01-2016 17:00

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Originally Posted by jaimem263 (Post 1520326)
Is it legal to have an aditional robot(drone) to the FRC robot?

Are you being serious?

I suppose it could be legal, but it sure couldn't go very far. Unless you don't mind collecting a foul and then being disabled because of G18.

cait.schroeder 10-01-2016 17:03

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Originally Posted by MooreteP (Post 1518629)
Field Reset Hell.

Definetly

jaimem263 10-01-2016 17:04

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1520407)
Are you being serious?

I suppose it could be legal, but it sure couldn't go very far. Unless you don't mind collecting a foul and then being disabled because of G18.

the drone would be used to hook up the chain onto the bar so its able to lift the robot up byt itself in the last 20 secs of the match

Jaxom 10-01-2016 17:06

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1520407)
Are you being serious?

I suppose it could be legal, but it sure couldn't go very far. Unless you don't mind collecting a foul and then being disabled because of G18.

And then have the fun of watching your drone (A) falling un-powered to the floor, and (B) lying there defenseless while 5, 150 pound, robots drive around the field.

Boltman 10-01-2016 17:08

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Originally Posted by jaimem263 (Post 1520411)
the drone would be used to hook up the chain onto the bar so its able to lift the robot up byt itself in the last 20 secs of the match

I don't see any violation as long as it goes straight up and remains attached to robot below via the chain at all times. Like to see it that would be some fancy flying.

Jaxom 10-01-2016 17:12

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Originally Posted by jaimem263 (Post 1520411)
the drone would be used to hook up the chain onto the bar so its able to lift the robot up byt itself in the last 20 secs of the match

Since it's part of the robot, control signals for the drone have to go through the roboRIO. (R56) I think you'd also have to modify the wireless communication to the drone to go through the allowed ports in R60. And R57 only allows one wireless bridge, hard-connected to the roboRIO (R58). So even if you could get the roboRIO-drone control set up I don't know how you could legally do the wireless communication to the drone. Or were you thinking of a tethered drone?

ratdude747 10-01-2016 17:44

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Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1520425)
Since it's part of the robot, control signals for the drone have to go through the roboRIO. (R56) I think you'd also have to modify the wireless communication to the drone to go through the allowed ports in R60. And R57 only allows one wireless bridge, hard-connected to the roboRIO (R58). So even if you could get the roboRIO-drone control set up I don't know how you could legally do the wireless communication to the drone. Or were you thinking of a tethered drone?

If it's connected by a chain I don't see why a tether would be so far fetched. The bigger challenge would be making it work with legal motors... I'm sure its doable. Practical, maybe.

team-4480 10-01-2016 17:45

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Originally Posted by jaimem263 (Post 1520411)
the drone would be used to hook up the chain onto the bar so its able to lift the robot up byt itself in the last 20 secs of the match

That would be difficult/near impossible to stabilize the drone to be able to not hit the tower considering it wouldn't have GPS or anything to keep it steady.

MikLast 10-01-2016 17:46

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Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 1520440)
If it's connected by a chain I don't see why a tether would be so far fetched. The bigger challenge would be making it work with legal motors... I'm sure its doable. Practical, maybe.

Looks BA if completed, Very much so.

Vamorys 10-01-2016 18:09

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With this game, There are so many options for robots. If you don't get what I'm saying, Let me paint you a picture. Last year there was only 2 types of robots that we saw at competitions. One that collected totes and stacked it inside of itself and one that stacked it using 2 arms and such. I'm glad there are so many different possibilities for the robots this year. It'll make competitions a bit more interesting.

rich2202 10-01-2016 18:11

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Regarding a drone: I would read the manual carefully about allowable motors. Also, power might be an issue if gets power from a battery.

Jaxom 10-01-2016 18:11

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Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 1520440)
If it's connected by a chain I don't see why a tether would be so far fetched. The bigger challenge would be making it work with legal motors... I'm sure its doable. Practical, maybe.

<Kicks self> Doh! Although since there is a computer in a drone, maybe they could claim it's a COTS computing device, and the propellers certainly are fans. :rolleyes:

Now the question (assuming you accept the absurdity of a drone as a computing device) is how much modification do you get to do before a device is no longer COTS? Adding a tether seems like a pretty big mod. Or can you buy a tethered drone?

evanperryg 10-01-2016 19:39

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1520407)
Are you being serious?

I suppose it could be legal, but it sure couldn't go very far. Unless you don't mind collecting a foul and then being disabled because of G18.

Robot rules say the only telecom usable on the robot is the radio. If you were going to do something g like this, it'd have to have all signals transferred through the radio. The drone would also have to be powered by the main battery.

YooperTrooperER 10-01-2016 19:39

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Once the defenses have all been "Weakened" do you still have to go through them to get to the opponents castle? Or can you use the secret passageway?

engunneer 10-01-2016 19:44

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Originally Posted by YooperTrooperER (Post 1520519)
Once the defenses have all been "Weakened" do you still have to go through them to get to the opponents castle? Or can you use the secret passageway?

I don't see any caveats to the secret passage rules that allow it to become an access path once the outer works are weakened.

alopex_rex 10-01-2016 19:44

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Originally Posted by YooperTrooperER (Post 1520519)
Once the defenses have all been "Weakened" do you still have to go through them to get to the opponents castle? Or can you use the secret passageway?

Uh, no. Check G20, there's no exceptions.

YooperTrooperER 10-01-2016 19:50

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Originally Posted by alopex_rex (Post 1520524)
Uh, no. Check G20, there's no exceptions.

So is G20 implying you can use it to get back to the neutral zone?

plnyyanks 10-01-2016 19:56

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Originally Posted by YooperTrooperER (Post 1520528)
So is G20 implying you can use it to get back to the neutral zone?

No.
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Originally Posted by G20
ROBOTS may only enter or exit their opponent’s SECRET PASSAGE from/to the opponent’s COURTYARD. A ROBOT is considered to be within the SECRET PASSAGE once the only carpet the ROBOT is in contact with is the carpet inside the SECRET PASSAGE.
Violation: FOUL. If repeated, TECH FOUL

You can only go between the SECRET PASSAGE and COURTYARD, not the NEUTRAL ZONE. You can, however, enter/exit your own SECRET PASSAGE however/wherever you want.

YooperTrooperER 10-01-2016 20:21

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Originally Posted by plnyyanks (Post 1520533)
No.


You can only go between the SECRET PASSAGE and COURTYARD, not the NEUTRAL ZONE. You can, however, enter/exit your own SECRET PASSAGE however/wherever you want.

OK thank you. That rule seems a little more complicated than it needs to be.

tindleroot 10-01-2016 21:27

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Originally Posted by YooperTrooperER (Post 1520546)
OK thank you. That rule seems a little more complicated than it needs to be.

The rule makes the opponents' secret passage useless to be in, but prevents penalties from accidentally driving into their passage when in the courtyard. After all, with limited visibility it is possible especially for driver stations (particularly left of the castle from drivers' perspective) it would be easy to drive in it.

corriii_16 10-01-2016 21:45

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This game definitely makes up for the lack of excitement last year. #bestGameYet ::rtm::

MarcD79 10-01-2016 21:56

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Originally Posted by MooreteP (Post 1518629)
Field Reset Hell.

Yes I know Pete!

FireAmpersand 11-01-2016 00:19

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Just to let you guys know, the Portcullis or "Iron Gate" is a clear solid polycarbonate sheet with black lines painted on. So that forces you to lift from the bottom rather than in the middle. Can't wait to play in this game, looks challenging yet fun. ^_^

marissa1215 11-01-2016 14:06

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I think that there is a lot to thing about in terms of strategy and just the design itself, but if you are able to build a multi-tasking bot things will go very well! Also I feel bad for field reset, recycle rush bothered my and that was just totes!

Team 2729 Storm Robotics!

TheDoctor_1 12-01-2016 01:14

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This has to be the most exciting (and complicated) game I've seen in my time in FRC. You have to really understand the ALL the game rules, or else you're going to wind up in situations you're not prepared for.


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